Canada is a failed state

[quaawaa]

I know someone who moved to Houston before the pandemic. They bought a house easily but there are draw backs like the crime. Most of the crime in Texas is from ''you know who'' and they're pretty bold and opportunistic with it. White's are always an easy target. Most Canadians aren't familiar with this version of crime and it can be quite intimidating.

Easily solved by living in an area where the "you know whos" aren't, but a Canadian immigrant is likely to do the exact opposite.

 

[doesnotglow]

Canadians sure do love their hustle and bustle of the big city... I remember going through East Hastings 5 years ago thinking it was third world but it has declined substantially. Vancouver is honestly the worst city in North America. It has the worst wages to house cost ratio in the developed world and you have to walk through depravity that isn't tolerated in any actual third world setting. You are legit better off in Mexico City than Vancouver.

Tent City | Vancouver Homeless Downtown Eastside E Hastings Street | City's Dead Walking Corner?

This time tents are NOT in the park but camped on the sidewalks or streets.The Downtown Eastside (DTES) is a neighbourhood in Vancouver, British Columbia, Ca...

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[Ndnd]

Canadians sure do love their hustle and bustle of the big city... I remember going through East Hastings 5 years ago thinking it was third world but it has declined substantially. Vancouver is honestly the worst city in North America. It has the worst wages to house cost ratio in the developed world and you have to walk through depravity that isn't tolerated in any actual third world setting. You are legit better off in Mexico City than Vancouver.

Tent City | Vancouver Homeless Downtown Eastside E Hastings Street | City's Dead Walking Corner?

This time tents are NOT in the park but camped on the sidewalks or streets.The Downtown Eastside (DTES) is a neighbourhood in Vancouver, British Columbia, Ca...

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Seriously. I've lived in some of the most ghetto neighbourhoods in Toronto but even Regent Park looked like paradise compared to East Hastings. Moreover, Vancouverites are downright creepy in an Invasion of the Body Snatchers kind of way. Don't get me wrong, Toronto is definitely full of assholes, but at least they're up front about it. All of the people I met in Vancouver were this weird combination of mellow and polite, yet simultaneously smug and passive-aggressive.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Seriously. I've lived in some of the most ghetto neighbourhoods in Toronto but even Regent Park looked like paradise compared to East Hastings. Moreover, Vancouverites are downright creepy in an Invasion of the Body Snatchers kind of way. Don't get me wrong, Toronto is definitely full of assholes, but at least they're up front about it. All of the people I met in Vancouver were this weird combination of mellow and polite, yet simultaneously smug and passive-aggressive.

Vancouver is full of ultra rich people. Are you expecting them to be progressive? because the ultra rich don't care about anything but protecting their own wealth. They don't care about social issues or inequality.

They occasionally pretend to show support for ''trans people'', blacks and first nations but a proposal came forward to house these people in their neighbourhoods with some big public housing project they would sue the city faster than you could jump and be out protesting the building of such a place. Just like Ontario.

Edit: Read through some insufferable comments about the situation in Vancouver. It seems the cause of Vancouver's problems for such things like homeless camps to exist is ''poverty pimps'' as they call them. That seems to be their choice words. Oh yeah, as though there's tons of people profiting from the poverty in your city. Give me a break. Have these people never heard of the word ''Deinstitutionalization''? or is that too big of a word for them to understand.

You closed the asylums, congratulations! how (faux) progressive of you. You get your reward of the ''Downtown east side''. There you go. One person tells the truth

 

[ICametoLurk]

lol u have a monarchy

we kicked dem out and russians killed deys

mexico has a holiday where they kicked out german monarchs (what yours is, nothing but german welfare queens)

 

[Ndnd]

Vancouver is full of ultra rich people. Are you expecting them to be progressive? because the ultra rich don't care about anything but protecting their own wealth. They don't care about social issues or inequality.

They occasionally pretend to show support for ''trans people'', blacks and first nations but a proposal came forward to house these people in their neighbourhoods with some big public housing project they would sue the city faster than you could jump and be out protesting the building of such a place. Just like Ontario.

Edit: Read through some insufferable comments about the situation in Vancouver. It seems the cause of Vancouver's problems for such things like homeless camps to exist is ''poverty pimps'' as they call them. That seems to be their choice words. Oh yeah, as though there's tons of people profiting from the poverty in your city. Give me a break. Have these people never heard of the word ''Deinstitutionalization''? or is that too big of a word for them to understand.

You closed the asylums, congratulations! how (faux) progressive of you. You get your reward of the ''Downtown east side''. There you go. One person tells the truth

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To be honest, I didn't expect the problems in Vancouver to be that bad. Blame my relatives for always smugly bragging about how perfect Vancouver was compared to Toronto. (Credit where credit is due, the ocean and mountains where they haven't clear cut the trees are pretty, and they do have some decent Chinese food and amazing sushi restaurants). What surprised me was how casually blasé the wealthy were towards the humanitarian crisis on their front door step. Like I said, I've lived alongside drug addicts, tranny hookers, and the mentally ill in some of the shittiest neighbourhoods in Toronto, but I never saw anything quite as depressing as the hordes of native junkies on East Hastings. At first, I legit thought that it was a film set for The Walking Dead or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's been a decade since my visit) but I walked away with the impression that Vancouver is deeply divided along class lines, where one is either very wealthy / upper-middle class / faking it 'til they make it or living in abject poverty, with little in between. Sadly, things have devolved to a similar state in Toronto now, but back then there was still something of a middle / working class to act as a buffer and some basic sense of community. For instance, if you were passed out in the middle of the street in a rougher neighbourhood like Parkdale, chances were pretty high that a good samaritan would check up on you and call an ambulance if needed.

You're so right about them closing the institutions. Undoubtedly, horrific things happened in asylums, but it's complete bullshit to think that leaving the severely mentally ill to fend for themselves on the streets is any more humane. I blame the incompetence of law enforcement and our joke of a legal system too. Fentanyl, meth, and crack dealers are a cancer to society and they should get the book thrown at them. Drug addicts that commit property crimes and terrorize the local populace should be given a choice of rehab or lengthy prison sentence. Instead, our gay ass judges continue to hold criminals in higher esteem than their victims.

 

[TurdFondler]

Vancouver used to be a better Seattle. Back when jobs were still good the places within 2 hours of Van were the best places in Canada. Jobs, good climate, good quality of life.

Anyway, am I nuts or are the prices at the store back down? Saw .8kg pork loin for $10 at the Superstore today, haven't seen that since 2014.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

To be honest, I didn't expect the problems in Vancouver to be that bad. Blame my relatives for always smugly bragging about how perfect Vancouver was compared to Toronto. (Credit where credit is due, the ocean and mountains where they haven't clear cut the trees are pretty, and they do have some decent Chinese food and amazing sushi restaurants). What surprised me was how casually blasé the wealthy were towards the humanitarian crisis on their front door step. Like I said, I've lived alongside drug addicts, tranny hookers, and the mentally ill in some of the shittiest neighbourhoods in Toronto, but I never saw anything quite as depressing as the hordes of native junkies on East Hastings. At first, I legit thought that it was a film set for The Walking Dead or something.

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's been a decade since my visit) but I walked away with the impression that Vancouver is deeply divided along class lines, where one is either very wealthy / upper-middle class / faking it 'til they make it or living in abject poverty, with little in between. Sadly, things have devolved to a similar state in Toronto now, but back then there was still something of a middle / working class to act as a buffer and some basic sense of community. For instance, if you were passed out in the middle of the street in a rougher neighbourhood like Parkdale, chances were pretty high that a good samaritan would check up on you and call an ambulance if needed.

You're so right about them closing the institutions. Undoubtedly, horrific things happened in asylums, but it's complete bullshit to think that leaving the severely mentally ill to fend for themselves on the streets is any more humane. I blame the incompetence of law enforcement and our joke of a legal system too. Fentanyl, meth, and crack dealers are a cancer to society and they should get the book thrown at them. Drug addicts that commit property crimes and terrorize the local populace should be given a choice of rehab or lengthy prison sentence. Instead, our gay ass judges continue to hold criminals in higher esteem than their victims.

I'm from Ontario and I can only imagine what Vancouver looks like considering what a lot of Ontario cities look like right now. The fact that Vancouver is reportedly worse than what we already see in Ontario is pretty frightening. And yes the snobs out over there seem to turn up their noses at the whole thing. Vancouver's class divide has been ultra stark for decades now (if you do some reading). Whereas Ontario's really only has been for the last decade (no middle class anymore). This breeds an environment for a disconnected wealthy to live obliviously.

Speaking of the closing of mental hospitals closures I was in London Ontario one week ago for the first time in 18 years and what I saw there in that city disturbed me to no end. You simply have no idea how bad it is there - holy fucking shit, I went downtown. Homeless people sleeping everywhere. Bodies strewn out like human garbage and severely mentally ill people out of their fucking minds wandering around. As most people know, London Ontario used to house the most severely mentally ill people in the province in a large institution where they lived there, often long term. There is still apparently some services but from what I understand, most of the facilities have been closed.

The thing about London is the city is rather poor and always has been. The last time I went there back in 2004 as a teen it seemed like a really working class place with a small town vibe. People weren't very rich but you didn't see visible homeless and the mentally ill were being supported in a facility where they were separated from the public.

What made London so creepy for me this time is its pervasive poverty. There are no pretty parts of that city and it seems to have sunk deeper into poverty. It's still a victim of over priced real estate but for what reason, I will never know.

 

[Kane Lives]

Reading this thread is depressing. To think I used to look up to Canada, though I suppose I fell for the propaganda gayops like all the other young liberal-minded internet goers at the time.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Reading this thread is depressing. To think I used to look up to Canada, though I suppose I fell for the propaganda gayops like all the other young liberal-minded internet goers at the time.

The Virgin liking Canada because it's more leftist and liberal than the United States VS The Chad liking Canada because it's basically just an extension of the United States

 

[WULULULULU]

How the fuck do you suggest your friends not to go to Canada? Like seriously, everytime I hear topics of countries where people would move and most would think Canada first.

 

[Mooger Meng]

Imagine the hubris of believing that a comparatively insignificant country like ours can solve a global problem.

Out, out, brief Canuck! Leaf's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more. It is a country lead by an idiot, full of soy and smug, signifying nothing.
- Some English faggot, probably

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Reading this thread is depressing. To think I used to look up to Canada, though I suppose I fell for the propaganda gayops like all the other young liberal-minded internet goers at the time.

A clue should have been just how few Americans move to Canada per year. If Canada was really so progressive, so wonderful, so well run they why haven't left leaning Americans been moving here in droves?

Canada doesn't get many immigrants from western Europe either. 90% of our immigration comes from the developing world especially India. This should be very telling.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

How the fuck do you suggest your friends not to go to Canada? Like seriously, everytime I hear topics of countries where people would move and most would think Canada first.

Americans can come to Canada if they want (assuming youre American),

like the main thing from this thread is that, as Sweetpeaa is pointing out, if Americas middle class is shrinking, Canada's has basically committed suicide and is barely on life support as it is.

If your friends are techies, rich, or some other type of urban yuppie parasite, its a fair enough deal coming to Canada and none of this stuff is really going to affect them.

Most people aren't that though.
If you don't want to sell Canada to them, point out that even if they are rich

a) they will get taxed the fuck out of
b) globohomo is on full swing in Canada, your child will cut off their dick if they identify as trans and theres nothing you can do
c) your taxes aren't going to be going to fixing infastructure problems in your city and will probably get sent off to some corruption scam every few years
d) many of Canada's companies (like in telecommunications) are monopolistic and so have much higher prices than the US (ie, phone bills)

e) Culturally, Canada just ain't it. Its lost its own independent identity, and a lot of what we have now is just ultra shallow. Used to love Toronto's music scene in the 2000s, but now I can't stand the bourgie drake and weekend swaggots that seem to swamp that city. It might be how someone who used to live in LA feels about how their own cultural scene shifted from late 90s/early 2000s street racing culture to whatever instagram schlick we have today. Anything you can get in Toronto (or Vancouver for that matter) you can get in a similar sized American city, for cheaper and with more cultural interest.

ie, when people ask me why I have less interest in the "cultural" scene in many urban cities, in part its because a lot of urban life has shifted from something GTA like, to whatever amorphous thing we have today


Toronto has its own variation of this, that just feels equally soulless in its own way. Basketball Canadians


Its not even that basketball Canadians are all that bad, theyre tolerable, but if I wanted that, Atlanta is a much, much better city that actually does seem to have its own cultural authenticity; I just can't help but find the current Canadian trend of attempting to inorganically imitate that as being very artificial and un self aware. Canada's new black culture in Toronto seems forced and almost as a form of cope by immigrants desperate to latch on to a form of new identity in this nation. Something seemingly created over night, rather than a project decades (if not longer) in the making, that just takes from already existing cultures down south to try and repackage up North.


There's just something pretentious about Canadas imitation of black culture, that I can't quite place, but do feel lacks a plethora of the nuance of what actually inspired it. It might be that the central lynchpin of basketball Canadian culture also happens to be an industry plant who was previously on Degrassi. There's a rap group called Dead Prez in the US that coined "Revolutonary, but Gangsta". If anything, Basketball Canadian culture is "rich and yuppie, but wannabe gangsta"

f) Healthcare is "socialized" but even before covid I found that there were longer wait times than the US, and honestly, having lived in the US, Ive never had a problem with insurance. Sure, if you work at McDonalds and have to pay for your own insurance out of pocket, thats an extra expense, but health insurance in the US is not that expensive. Unless you have some sort of pre-existing condition, youll be fine, and even then, thank Obama if you want for ensuring that insurance companies have to take you on regardless. The point here is that if your friends have enough money to up and move to Canada, they easily have enough money to afford decent (not just basic but decent) health insurance in the US. And if they don't have money for basic health insurance in the US, just a reminder that Canada's middle class is much worse off than the US's, so they'd literally be moving somewhere to be poorer.

Id advise someone to literally pick a blue state to move to (if that was what they were looking for) over Canada, or somewhere red is my personal preference at this point.

 

[WULULULULU]

Americans can come to Canada if they want (assuming youre American),

like the main thing from this thread is that, as Sweetpeaa is pointing out, if Americas middle class is shrinking, Canada's has basically committed suicide and is barely on life support as it is.

If your friends are techies, rich, or some other type of urban yuppie parasite, its a fair enough deal coming to Canada and none of this stuff is really going to affect them.

Most people aren't that though.
If you don't want to sell Canada to them, point out that even if they are rich

a) they will get taxed the fuck out of
b) globohomo is on full swing in Canada, your child will cut off their dick if they identify as trans and theres nothing you can do
c) your taxes aren't going to be going to fixing infastructure problems in your city and will probably get sent off to some corruption scam every few years
d) many of Canada's companies (like in telecommunications) are monopolistic and so have much higher prices than the US (ie, phone bills)

e) Culturally, Canada just ain't it. Its lost its own independent identity, and a lot of what we have now is just ultra shallow. Used to love Toronto's music scene in the 2000s, but now I can't stand the bourgie drake and weekend swaggots that seem to swamp that city. It might be how someone who used to live in LA feels about how their own cultural scene shifted from late 90s/early 2000s street racing culture to whatever instagram schlick we have today. Anything you can get in Toronto (or Vancouver for that matter) you can get in a similar sized American city, for cheaper and with more cultural interest.

ie, when people ask me why I have less interest in the "cultural" scene in many urban cities, in part its because a lot of urban life has shifted from something GTA like, to whatever amorphous thing we have today
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Toronto has its own variation of this, that just feels equally soulless in its own way. Basketball Canadians

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Its not even that basketball Canadians are all that bad, theyre tolerable, but if I wanted that, Atlanta is a much, much better city that actually does seem to have its own cultural authenticity; I just can't help but find the current Canadian trend of attempting to inorganically imitate that as being very artificial and un self aware. Canada's new black culture in Toronto seems forced and almost as a form of cope by immigrants desperate to latch on to a form of new identity in this nation. Something seemingly created over night, rather than a project decades (if not longer) in the making, that just takes from already existing cultures down south to try and repackage up North.

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There's just something pretentious about Canadas imitation of black culture, that I can't quite place, but do feel lacks a plethora of the nuance of what actually inspired it. It might be that the central lynchpin of basketball Canadian culture also happens to be an industry plant who was previously on Degrassi. There's a rap group called Dead Prez in the US that coined "Revolutonary, but Gangsta". If anything, Basketball Canadian culture is "rich and yuppie, but wannabe gangsta"

f) Healthcare is "socialized" but even before covid I found that there were longer wait times than the US, and honestly, having lived in the US, Ive never had a problem with insurance. Sure, if you work at McDonalds and have to pay for your own insurance out of pocket, thats an extra expense, but health insurance in the US is not that expensive. Unless you have some sort of pre-existing condition, youll be fine, and even then, thank Obama if you want for ensuring that insurance companies have to take you on regardless. The point here is that if your friends have enough money to up and move to Canada, they easily have enough money to afford decent (not just basic but decent) health insurance in the US. And if they don't have money for basic health insurance in the US, just a reminder that Canada's middle class is much worse off than the US's, so they'd literally be moving somewhere to be poorer.

Id advise someone to literally pick a blue state to move to (if that was what they were looking for) over Canada, or somewhere red is my personal preference at this point.

Not American, from the Philippines unfortunately that is basically Canada-lite.

 

[TurdFondler]

The music scene in lots of cities is gutted because a lot of the cheap venues closed. There's little reason to go out when beers cost over $7, too. Basically every dive bar and hole in the wall that fostered a music scene here has closed. I used to be able to catch 4 shows a night if I wanted, going from one place to the next and get beers for $2.50. Liquor laws and real estate uptick fucked these places over when rent went up.

Just read an interesting article on meth

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new-meth/620174/

Apparently the shit on the streets now makes you go batshit crazy immediately and is the driver behind lots of these tent cities and zombified homeless. No one here or in the US talks about how the homeless are mostly junkies because of muh stigma though.

 

[doesnotglow]

This article is absolutely fucking wild. I think Canada is going to solve its healthcare cost problem by just killing as many old people as possible.

'Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canada’s euthanasia laws

TORONTO (AP) — Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening. When the 61-year-old Canadian was hospitalized in June 2019 over fears he might be suicidal, he asked his brother to “bust him out” as soon as possible.

apnews.com

Next year Canada is set to become the most liberal euthanasia jurisdiction in the world by offering to kill the mentally ill. Canada is the only jurisdiction in the world that allows nurse practitioners, dollar store doctors who don't have the medical knowledge of a real doctor, to kill patients.

Canada will soon offer doctor-assisted death to the mentally ill. Who should be eligible?

Canada is still determining who should be eligible for MAID for mental illness, but some experts say it could become the most permissive jurisdiction in the…

nationalpost.com

This poses an interesting problem for the issue of trans people in Canada. Trans surgeries and lifetime hormone treatments are given out for the mental illness of gender dysphoria because although they only produce a rough approximation of sex change, it is believed that the suicide risk is substantial enough that by doing these drastic surgeries they can keep the person alive. But once you decide that suicide itself is an appropriate treatment of mental illness, how can you justify these treatments on suicide risk? Additionally Canada has a socialist healthcare system, and so cost to the taxpayer is of great importance when treating mental illness. Why else to doctors in Canada hand out SSRIs like candy on Halloween but do not fund psychotherapy? Surgeries and hormones have an extremely high cost but a single dose of pentobarbital costs nothing. I can see either the Canadian government explicitly outlawing suicide as a treatment of gender dysphoria, eviscerating their argument for suicide as treatment of mental illness, or going all in and suggesting suicide as the only treatment, nothing in between.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

This article is absolutely fucking wild. I think Canada is going to solve its healthcare cost problem by just killing as many old people as possible.

'Disturbing': Experts troubled by Canada’s euthanasia laws

TORONTO (AP) — Alan Nichols had a history of depression and other medical issues, but none were life-threatening. When the 61-year-old Canadian was hospitalized in June 2019 over fears he might be suicidal, he asked his brother to “bust him out” as soon as possible.

apnews.com

Next year Canada is set to become the most liberal euthanasia jurisdiction in the world by offering to kill the mentally ill. Canada is the only jurisdiction in the world that allows nurse practitioners, dollar store doctors who don't have the medical knowledge of a real doctor, to kill patients.

Canada will soon offer doctor-assisted death to the mentally ill. Who should be eligible?

Canada is still determining who should be eligible for MAID for mental illness, but some experts say it could become the most permissive jurisdiction in the…

nationalpost.com

This poses an interesting problem for the issue of trans people in Canada. Trans surgeries and lifetime hormone treatments are given out for the mental illness of gender dysphoria because although they only produce a rough approximation of sex change, it is believed that the suicide risk is substantial enough that by doing these drastic surgeries they can keep the person alive. But once you decide that suicide itself is an appropriate treatment of mental illness, how can you justify these treatments on suicide risk? Additionally Canada has a socialist healthcare system, and so cost to the taxpayer is of great importance when treating mental illness. Why else to doctors in Canada hand out SSRIs like candy on Halloween but do not fund psychotherapy? Surgeries and hormones have an extremely high cost but a single dose of pentobarbital costs nothing. I can see either the Canadian government explicitly outlawing suicide as a treatment of gender dysphoria, eviscerating their argument for suicide as treatment of mental illness, or going all in and suggesting suicide as the only treatment, nothing in between.

Health care is being privatized provincially at turbo speed. Ontario will be the first. Others will follow. There will be no more healthcare for anyone unless they can pay.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Quebec was the first, they have a private system. In all honesty it's unsustainable as it is now.

But the euthanasia stuff is horrifying. I don't want to be all slippery slope, but how long until it's age? Economic status? Like we are too squeamish to put down Paul Bernado, or Robert Pickton, but it's A-Ok to kill people who are depressed.

 

[TurdFondler]

The options Canada has in regards to seniors care are:

Double wages so that one parent can stay at home and care for children and the elderly

Increase taxes and put in wartime efforts to build and staff LTC homes until like 2050

Privatize, let the rich die in LTC and kill the poor

There's just no way to support the current amount of old people in a broken society. Everyone works.

I legitimately can't see a difference between public and private care at this point. Even in my glorious ~free healthcare~ society I have to get an employer sponsored health plan to access care through a private entity. LTC is all private. The names of some companies and things will change but status quo will be largely the same. Except somehow natives will get way more money than they do now.