Canada is a failed state

[SilentDuck]

I see it on Twitter too, though there are also countless TruAnons who live under the delusion that we are living in a progressive utopia.

One major problem with the system is that the current Liberal government--or more specifically the Prime Minister's Office is attempting to force its vision on the rest of the nation. There is no attempt to even build a consensus and thus we see the federal government usurp power from the provinces. It is essentially Trudeau's way or the highway as far Ottawa is concerned, and some provinces are looking at the latter option. Former Finance Minister, Bill Morneau is releasing a book detailing his time in government. He has stated that he found Trudeau's interpersonal and managerial skills "lacking", and that Trudeau was focused on short-term partisan gains at the cost of long-term prosperity. Another rather chilling detail was that Trudeau viewed his cabinet as instruments to carry out his "grand" vision of Canada. He vetoed Morneau's choice for chief of staff and instead installed his own pick because he knew best, of course!

It truly astonishes me to realize how dimwitted and guileless many Leafs are. This government has been plagued with an endless procession of scandals, each one on the scale of Watergate, but Canadians still view the federal government as a benevolent paternal figure that has the nation's best interests in mind. None of them want to acknowledge that the paint has peeled off their Potemkin village, much less the collapsing facades.

I don't think Morneau's book is going to have any surprises. It could detail a 1st hand account of adrenochrome harvesting, blood drinking and Baphomet in the Prime Minister's Office... it won't move the needle with the public. The thing to watch for will be the Liberal Party and media politburo reaction to it.

Its comforting to believe that normie Canadians are just stupid and docile and have no idea what is going on but in truth, they do. The wilful blindness is nothing more than a form of extreme immorality and callous disregard for the future that is somewhat unique to Canada as far as developed nations go.

As long as housing prices double and triple every 5 years that is all any average Canadian cares about. Its a bribe from the ruling class (and the PMO) to look the other way. No one considers the systematic pressures it generates and could possibly end badly. When things end badly, those bribes and real estate gains are gone along with your personal bank account (ie, bank bail-in legislation)..

Maybe then you'll see the loud-mouthed moralizing boomer Canadians that have gone missing for the last 20 years suddenly become keenly aware of the shape of things. But not before...

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I see it on Twitter too, though there are also countless TruAnons who live under the delusion that we are living in a progressive utopia.

I can explain some by basically pointing out that either they live in essentially a bubble (managerial yuppies, the tech class, or whomever you have that we all know fits the bill there),

they're trapped in the year 2004 (know a relative amount of people who never grew as people from then, still think the same culture wars are relevant, still seem to feel that the 'Neocons' are in power) and whose personalities just got set at that point and they never developed further as people, nor bothered to actually embrace anything critical of said world view. The bubble doesnt exist and a lot of them are in the grind and see things as bad, but they cope by trying to explain it away with "well, the corporations and tories set this in motion 10 years ago, bla bla bla", even though both parties are literally a monoparty at this point and the liberals have been in charge for far too long, have had the power to at least steer things differently, and have done nothing.

Theyre Boomers from some rural part of the maritimes who never had it good, assume the rest of Canada has it better, and are sour at the tories fucking something up in the late 70s and never forgave them. Similar to the way you have people in Northern Bongland who hate the tories, even today, for Thatcher. Of those, of course Canada is a bit more complex. The tories didnt really fuck over the prairies and are more popular there, the fisheries had a mixture of both parties governing-

(that rural sentiment, the bearing of some generational grudge, that I have the most sympathy for)

Or they're basically just the zombies, who literally dont think and just will take at face value anything told to them or pushed on them by the media and "vote for Trudeau because he looks better" or something like that (a lot of stay at home moms). I can actually remember being in a Shoppers one time, and an eye rolling conversation at the election of Trudeau with a cashier and another woman just oogling over how cute Trudeau was and how happy they were he was in office because of that and how they wanted to buy sexy stamps of him. The zombies probably live in a bubble, but are a bit different in the managerial class. Think "I know what is better for you than you, yourself, do and the economic downturn isnt THAT bad" vs "KONY2012 OMG BRO/SIS we have to save the invisible children"

Anyone else, has probably never had a real job, is still in college and may fit into category 1 (lives in a bubble), and may never have that bubble pop if theyre lucky enough to secure a managerial job, for all we know.

The big problem is, the managerial class/category 1 is in charge, they really do not understand or vibe with how bad things are (Freeland saying that due to economic problems, she cancelled Disney+ so can relate to Canadians, being a Marie Antoinette moment unironically),

or they do, but think that only they can fix it, that they have some genius plan, that holding on to power to fix things is the most important thing (trumping all integrity), and that those at the bottom will just have to deal with it in the meantime because their plan will lift us up at some distant time in the future. Its like holding a sand castle in your hands that is literally washing away, but refusing to let go of power even as more of the foundation erodes.

"you may not like it now, but we will transition the economy further into tech/finances, and eliminate gas guzzlers so we do better in the future relative to peak oil and global warming"
>But, I need money now and most jobs outside of that are gone or down south
"Go fuck yourself, this is for the Future"

or

"We have to close down the economy indefinitely due to covid, except when it comes to protesting for BLM. We have a second virus, and it's called 'Racism'"
>But, this will cause an economic downturn and make all the downtown businesses close down permanently (literally happened in my city)
"Go fuck yourself, also go fuck the freedom convoy, la la la, we don't care"

 

[Catler]

Boomers from some rural part of the maritimes who never had it good, assume the rest of Canada has it better, and are sour at the tories fucking something up in the late 70s and never forgave them. Similar to the way you have people in Northern Bongland who hate the tories, even today, for Thatcher. Of those, of course Canada is a bit more complex. The tories didnt really fuck over the prairies and are more popular there, the fisheries had a mixture of both parties governing-

The Maritimes holds extreme generational grudges. You might not see it in Halifax, or Charlottetown, but outside of the cities people still to this day bitch about confederation and the consequences of it being the worst thing to ever happen to the region, let alone anything that happened in the 70s.

I honestly don't blame people in the Maritimes for voting how they do. Economically depressed, completely fucked over by every level of government, very little hope in a better future, so why not vote for the meager gibs the Liberals always promise to throw that way?

The Maritimes votes for 1) money, and 2) out of spite.

 

[OutInTheRain]

The Maritimes holds extreme generational grudges.

That is very true, they are still pissed at Harper for saying they have a "culture of failure." The Maritimes did get fucked by confederation, as soon as the ink was dry, Ottawa was restricting trade south of the border and forcing everyone to flood into Quebec and Ontario. Of course the entire region being owned by 5 families for nearly a century, probably has more to do with the current state of economic affairs than anything.

Everything coming out of Morneau's book is not a shocker. It's things that have been rumoured for years. You just have to see his turnover of MP's and cabinet members and you realize that something is seriously rotten in the Liberal party.

 

[PaleTay]

One of the few amusing boomerisms that native-born Canadian boomers as well as boomer age immigrants enjoy is pretending Canada is the best country on planet earth. After all, why wouldn't it be if all it did was make you wealthy, give you free unlimited health care and all you had to do is plug your ears and look the other way on what the ruling class is setting the table for.

Meanwhile everyone younger agrees; Canada is about the worst for everything. Liberal shills, Liberal party shills and system pigs can't even drown out the amount of doomerism on Canadian subreddits anymore.

One thing younger people need to bear in mind, is this is all by design. Its not a mistake, and the world's largest land mass having the least amount of developed space is no accident. It's the plan. "The Crown" and their friends own about 90% of all land in Canada. The interconnected housing-immigration-speculation-inflation+health care issues could be solved legislatively in about 24 hours. They aren't issues, they are accomplishments as far as the ruling class is concerned.

It's cramped but not in a way that's fun or promotes any form of community. It's just suburban sprawl.

 

[F13 Key]

The Maritimes holds extreme generational grudges. You might not see it in Halifax, or Charlottetown, but outside of the cities people still to this day bitch about confederation and the consequences of it being the worst thing to ever happen to the region, let alone anything that happened in the 70s.

I honestly don't blame people in the Maritimes for voting how they do. Economically depressed, completely fucked over by every level of government, very little hope in a better future, so why not vote for the meager gibs the Liberals always promise to throw that way?

The Maritimes votes for 1) money, and 2) out of spite.

Ontario still holds a major grudge against the NDP because of Rae Days. This despite the fact that particular policy prevented the government from being forced to outright lay off nurses and teachers, who now still loathe the NDP to this day over it while collecting their massive pensions they got to keep as a result.

Rate me rainbows, but I think this country would be a lot different today if Jack Layton hadn't died. The NDP's chances at a federal level died with him. He'd have made a far better PM than Trudeau and with the CPC and LPC both being pozzed, I'd have been willing to give the NDP under his leadership a crack at running things.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Ontario still holds a major grudge against the NDP because of Rae Days. This despite the fact that particular policy prevented the government from being forced to outright lay off nurses and teachers, who now still loathe the NDP to this day over it while collecting their massive pensions they got to keep as a result.

Rate me rainbows, but I think this country would be a lot different today if Jack Layton hadn't died. The NDP's chances at a federal level died with him. He'd have made a far better PM than Trudeau and with the CPC and LPC both being pozzed, I'd have been willing to give the NDP under his leadership a crack at running things.

Few people would ever vote for this guy. Sort of off topic but I don't know why east Indians in Canadian politics can't integrate better compared to the one's in the U.K. Rishi Sunak is clean shaven culturally westernized by comparison

 

[Ndnd]

Rate me rainbows, but I think this country would be a lot different today if Jack Layton hadn't died. The NDP's chances at a federal level died with him. He'd have made a far better PM than Trudeau and with the CPC and LPC both being pozzed, I'd have been willing to give the NDP under his leadership a crack at running things.

I wish this were true. I actually met the man a few times when he was alive and he struck me as being very sincere, down to earth, and passionate about his job (perhaps with a touch of the ‘tism). He and his wife Olivia Chow were like a real life version of Ben and Leslie from Parks and Rec.

However, I have a feeling that if Jack were still alive, he’d be cheerleading for a lot of the same nonsense we’re dealing with now because this is what the current NDP membership demands, especially with the blue collar unions who traditionally supported the NDP being reduced to a shadow of their former selves. The labour movement is more or less dead, and the NDP needs to appeal to the socjus types to stay alive as a party.

Judging by what Olivia Chow is saying these days, Jack would have been less idiotic than Singh about how he represents the party, but it would probably be quite similar in terms of actual policy.

 

[SilentDuck]

I wish this were true. I actually met the man a few times when he was alive and he struck me as being very sincere, down to earth, and passionate about his job (perhaps with a touch of the ‘tism). He and his wife Olivia Chow were like a real life version of Ben and Leslie from Parks and Rec.

However, I have a feeling that if Jack were still alive, he’d be cheerleading for a lot of the same nonsense we’re dealing with now because this is what the current NDP membership demands, especially with the blue collar unions who traditionally supported the NDP being reduced to a shadow of their former selves. The labour movement is more or less dead, and the NDP needs to appeal to the socjus types to stay alive as a party.

Layton had a few scandals - ie, getting caught living in random lavish co-op housing for nearly free and then argued it would improve the area implying less trash would live there. Getting caught at a private health care clinic on the heels of Paul Martin similarly being caught doing the same. Stephen Harper's quote at the time was something along the lines of "I think I'm the only party leader that actually uses their health card".

Layton was a vicious mud slinger on TO city council IIRC, and not to mention came from money with a silver spoon while espousing socialism. An interesting ride to see him hit the federal party from out of nowhere and actually succeed. Given his past I didn't really understand the reasons he was being lionized near and after his death and still don't. But I'd say now through the lens of history, he did manage to be a huge monkey wrench in federal politics and inadvertently thwarted full bore GloboHomo by a few years. All Canadians should be thankful for that.

Also there's now a comparison to Jagmeet available, who might as well be a liberal MP sitting in Trudeau's cabinet as he perpetrates irreparable harm to the country and simultaneously discredits the NDP as a legitimate political party.

Labor unions (especially non-public sector) are actually moving twords Conservatives and Poilievre is saying the same stuff union organizers have been saying for the last 75 years.

 

[Clusterfuckk2]

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Few people would ever vote for this guy. Sort of off topic but I don't know why east Indians in Canadian politics can't integrate better compared to the one's in the U.K. Rishi Sunak is clean shaven culturally westernized by comparison

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They can’t integrate because Canada’s whole fucking identity now is being a model scale of the third world countries. Any identity Canada had prior has been erased. Now there is nothing to integrate into to. It’s like living in your home country except for more gibs and less violence (though that is changing).

 

[F13 Key]

Layton had a few scandals - ie, getting caught living in random lavish co-op housing for nearly free and then argued it would improve the area implying less trash would live there. Getting caught at a private health care clinic on the heels of Paul Martin similarly being caught doing the same. Stephen Harper's quote at the time was something along the lines of "I think I'm the only party leader that actually uses their health card".

Layton was a vicious mud slinger on TO city council IIRC, and not to mention came from money with a silver spoon while espousing socialism. An interesting ride to see him hit the federal party from out of nowhere and actually succeed. Given his past I didn't really understand the reasons he was being lionized near and after his death and still don't. But I'd say now through the lens of history, he did manage to be a huge monkey wrench in federal politics and inadvertently thwarted full bore GloboHomo by a few years. All Canadians should be thankful for that.

Also there's now a comparison to Jagmeet available, who might as well be a liberal MP sitting in Trudeau's cabinet as he perpetrates irreparable harm to the country and simultaneously discredits the NDP as a legitimate political party.

Labor unions (especially non-public sector) are actually moving twords Conservatives and Poilievre is saying the same stuff union organizers have been saying for the last 75 years.

Pierre is going to get in when 2025 rolls around just because nobody wants more Trudeau. Canadian politics are finally reaching the same point as US politics, where you're voting for a party or leader solely because you think they're less of a disaster than the opposition. Even if Trudeau decides to pass the torch to Freeland, I don't see the LPC gaining the upper hand. Freeland may be way more qualified than Trudeau ever was, but she's even more of a potential globohomo disaster in the making.

Pierre might at least undo Trudeau's idiotic gun ban and get to work expanding the country's ability to export LPG. Trudeau stubbornly refuses to commit to any export expansion despite Japan and the EU both being desperate to suck our collective dicks for it.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Labor unions (especially non-public sector) are actually moving twords Conservatives and Poilievre is saying the same stuff union organizers have been saying for the last 75 years.

Public sector unions primarily represent the interests of the managerial class @DiscoRodeo mentioned. It is worth noting that former Alberta premier, Rachel Notley's husband is a communications officer for the Canadian Union of Public Employees and campaign strategist for the provincial NDP. Notley claims that there is no conflict of interest, but that is obviously bullshit and the CUPE has been going at it hard for the UCP while Notley prepares to bend the knee to the Laurentian idiot.

Pierre is going to get in when 2025 rolls around just because nobody wants more Trudeau. Canadian politics are finally reaching the same point as US politics, where you're voting for a party or leader solely because you think they're less of a disaster than the opposition. Even if Trudeau decides to pass the torch to Freeland, I don't see the LPC gaining the upper hand. Freeland may be way more qualified than Trudeau ever was, but she's even more of a potential globohomo disaster in the making.

Pierre might at least undo Trudeau's idiotic gun ban and get to work expanding the country's ability to export LPG. Trudeau stubbornly refuses to commit to any export expansion despite Japan and the EU both being desperate to suck our collective dicks for it.

Freeland is even less qualified to lead in my books because her entire political career is based on riding Trudeau's coattails and nothing more. I find nothing that she has any leadership skills laughable because she is a complete sellout. Her 2012 book, Plutocrats, was a scathing critique of the WEF, but she pulled a complete one-eighty when Uncle Klaus offered her a senior position within the organization.

Frankly, I don't see this happening, but nothing would make me happier than to see both Trudeaus' legacies completely and utterly dismantled in a similar vein to what is being done to Sir John A. MacDonald in current year. For one, I see the entire system and constitution in need of a total overhaul as the Younger Trudeau has shown that he runs roughshod over provincial jurisdiction and Canadians' Charter rights for personal/partisan. Part of that would include reforming the senate so that all provinces get equal representation similar to that of the US senate (while giving the territories enough influence) and perhaps letting the Provinces select their senators because the last thing we need is an idiot like PMJT or a puppet committee selecting them. The influence of the Laurentian Consensus needs to be curbed at all costs because Ontario and Quebec have proven time and again unfit to lead the rest of the country.

Oh, and we would seriously need to clean up the judiciary, including the Supreme Court of Canada, to make it less activist. This would require nothing short of a complete revolution, though, as Canada has been a static country with only the appearance of being "progressive".

 

[Mikoyan]

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Few people would ever vote for this guy. Sort of off topic but I don't know why east Indians in Canadian politics can't integrate better compared to the one's in the U.K. Rishi Sunak is clean shaven culturally westernized by comparison

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Your point is valid but this comparison is more 'Sikh vs. Regular old Indian'.

 

[Hokuriku]

Pierre is going to get in when 2025 rolls around just because nobody wants more Trudeau. Canadian politics are finally reaching the same point as US politics, where you're voting for a party or leader solely because you think they're less of a disaster than the opposition. Even if Trudeau decides to pass the torch to Freeland, I don't see the LPC gaining the upper hand. Freeland may be way more qualified than Trudeau ever was, but she's even more of a potential globohomo disaster in the making.

Pierre might at least undo Trudeau's idiotic gun ban and get to work expanding the country's ability to export LPG. Trudeau stubbornly refuses to commit to any export expansion despite Japan and the EU both being desperate to suck our collective dicks for it.

The difference is that in the US even the most convoluted election math doesn't hand out a 'win' with less that 1/3 of the vote. This gets a rainbow from me, the broken disgrace of the Westminster political system essentially makes it impossible for the Libs to lose unless they're split by a surge for the NDP, which is being prevented seemingly by intentional design via Singh's utter lack of a backbone.

But I don't necessarily want a Tory win anyway, it's not like PP is going to implement election reform even when it's supposedly to his party's direct tangible advantage. The colonies spent nearly 15 years locked in ineffective and increasingly hostile pissing-about with Britain before finally figuring out that the only possible way forward was out. Western Canada has only been dealing with Trudeau for half that time.

 

[OutInTheRain]

Layton had a few scandals

Don't forget he was going to rub and tugs and charging the TO city council for it. Which you know...is hilarious. Layton only did well, because the media made autistic robot Stephen Harper seem so odious that they hold you nose and vote Lib types, voted NDP. It also didn't help that the Libs ran a non-francophone, who carpetbagged his way up from the states. Continued NDP success was never going to happen as the Libs sort of got their shit together.

I agree with the others that our system is broken and needs to change. Unfortunately, changing it would mean the dissolution of the country. I could see regions just bailing, especially after the last few years. Quebec and southern Ontario would also fight any change in the redistribution of power tooth and nail, and Quebec might actually just leave over any attempt.

 

[BigFanOfTheKillstream]

(((The State))) has not failed because controlled demolition was the plan. It's really fucked how a generally decent, high trust, majority White country had it's own kindness exploited. I know that's the general game plan in every White country, but Canada is the poster child.

For example, The Canadian Paradox. Despite being a very high trust society with strict laws against financial scams and numerous agencies to protect them, Canadians are some of the top victims of fraud.

It makes me feel conflicted because I'd love for the world to be kind, fair and honest the way the Leaf falsely believes it to be. But at a point you lose empathy for people who refuse to accept that the stove is hot after repeatedly being burned.

Harden your heart, Canada!

 

[Sweetpeaa]

The announcement of some element privatization in Ontario healthcare the other day made me chuckle. It's the beginning of the end for our last social safety net but I had to chuckle purely because it's going to bite the boomers in the ass the biggest.

Ontario boomers are practically their own breed of shitheads who preach arch conservative platitudes of "no such thing as public money" and "work or die" all while sucking off the public tit of provincially government funded healthcare their entire lives for years. Which was quite a contradiction. And they are by far the heaviest users of OHIP.

 

[OutInTheRain]

The announcement form the Ford government was expected. There are already quite a few clincis and surgical centers that you can pay up front to use. Shouldice, a hernia clinic is one of the more famous ones. They also accept OHIP patients but it's quite a wait, as OHIP only has funds for a few non-emergency hernia surgeries a year(at least that's my understanding). In all honesty if I can pay 5 grand to get a hypothetical shoulder surgery now...well I'll just bust out the credit card. I'm not necessarily upset by this, because I have known it was going to happen for a while. They sent away the jobs, that made the money to fund social programs. As well the nature of healthcare has changed since the 60's.

We keep trying to do more with less in every sector of Canadian society, and it has come home to roost. Nurses are overworked and bailing on the profession, doctors are fleeing south of the border.

 

[Ser Prize]

Two things of note from personal experience lately:

I needed a prescription refilled but don't have a family doctor. I physically went to two different walk ins and both only had doctors in on Friday (it was a Monday). I then booked an appointment online with a virtual doctor out of BC who informed me he wasn't allowed to prescribe what I needed. I then called my local sexual health clinic (I was looking for birth control) and the number just had a voice stating they were overwhelmed and to call back before hanging up. Then I booked a second online appointment with a doctor in Toronto who finally prescribed one dose of my reoccurring birth control.

Secondly, my most recent job went into crisis because of pretty insane management and let go of their entire staff unlawfully. The employees filed complaints with the Ministry of Labour and I called in today to add a few things to my file and become informed on the procedure. The guy on the phone informed me they were backed up by at least eight weeks. I know the MOL can be on the slow side but I've seen them before have cases at least assigned within four weeks.

Its scary how all of these little things start to add up and the amount of obstacles that are placed on certain demographics (mostly poor & middle class). And we really don't talk about it. The average person in my area is ignorant to what's happening around them and I'm not into conspiracies at all but I can't deny what's happening and what I see myself. Yet, there's also this conditioning that if I did bring up these systemic issues, it's basically anti-Canadian because actually, it's the "most progressive country".

Spoiler: Long rant

In Foodie Beauty's thread, a lot of people ask why her fake husband would want real citizenship in Canada of all the places one could go. But fifteen, twenty years ago, Canada was able to support immigrants and welcomed them and really created the public image of peaceful prosperity where everyone and every view is respected and celebrated. There are no wars, political conflicts are mild, even if "conservatives" are in power we are a liberal country. So many foreigners grew up with the propaganda that Canada was worth coming to and that they could achieve more here than back home.

And for awhile, many of them did. But now, just like every other Canadian, if you do not have generational wealth, you're kind of fucked. You cannot start from nothing here and whatever the government offers as monetary incentive eventually runs out and since you were never going to be offered prosperous opportunities, you're in the same boat as you were with the monetary incentive. But now you can also deal with the growing animosity from born citizens who know your presence actually made it harder for them.

But I'm sure a lot of older generations still sell Canada to their children as it once was and they unfortunately end up here and realize this place is a shit hole. Smart ones with capital can find proper investment opportunities but generally fuck off to other countries or back home eventually.

So even though I grew up in this dream era of prosperous Canadians of all walks of life and enjoyed the positives of that, I cannot support the solution of hundreds of thousands of people to the country. Which social systems are they using? Or are they immediately working for the government and hospitals? I think this country can support a lot of immigration - we have a lot of space - but we would have to actually properly invest in development of pretty much every single facet of society before we actually could support someone.

Like what kind of country invites people to a sinking ship? It's embarrassing. You want 500,000 people from around the world to find out they can't get baby advil for no discernible reason? That walk ins are on level with poorer countries? That our welfare system provides only 1/3 of average rent in all metropolitan cities? That jobs in education and health barely reach a living wage? That they'll never afford a house? It seems more racist to purposefully invite people into hardship than it would be to just close the doors and focusing on building a better Canada with what's here while investing into future growth in another 10-15 years. A massive immigration is going to completely break these systems for everyone, so it's not surprising Doug Ford is pushing privatized health care; keeping it accessible to those with wealth while the overall system breaks under pressure.

I take umbrage with the logic that we should have a ton of immigration because 'we have a lot of space'. The vast majority of this country is uninhabited and indeed actively resists habitation. All those immigrants, even in a dream-like utopian Canada, would still all settle along the state border.

(((The State))) has not failed because controlled demolition was the plan. It's really fucked how a generally decent, high trust, majority White country had it's own kindness exploited. I know that's the general game plan in every White country, but Canada is the poster child.

For example, The Canadian Paradox. Despite being a very high trust society with strict laws against financial scams and numerous agencies to protect them, Canadians are some of the top victims of fraud.

It makes me feel conflicted because I'd love for the world to be kind, fair and honest the way the Leaf falsely believes it to be. But at a point you lose empathy for people who refuse to accept that the stove is hot after repeatedly being burned.

Harden your heart, Canada!

That's how the game is played. I hate it too. But you either play the game or you lose, and I'm sick of losing.

 

[SilentDuck]

The announcement form the Ford government was expected. There are already quite a few clincis and surgical centers that you can pay up front to use. Shouldice, a hernia clinic is one of the more famous ones. They also accept OHIP patients but it's quite a wait, as OHIP only has funds for a few non-emergency hernia surgeries a year(at least that's my understanding). In all honesty if I can pay 5 grand to get a hypothetical shoulder surgery now...well I'll just bust out the credit card. I'm not necessarily upset by this, because I have known it was going to happen for a while. They sent away the jobs, that made the money to fund social programs. As well the nature of healthcare has changed since the 60's.

We keep trying to do more with less in every sector of Canadian society, and it has come home to roost. Nurses are overworked and bailing on the profession, doctors are fleeing south of the border.

The way things are going people will have to start paying out of pocket for their own government approved suicide.