- Joined
- Jul 13, 2019
Not sure about Wisconsin, I've always thought of Michigan as the most spiritually-Canadian US state. Curious about what other Canadians think.
Canada is a failed state
- Thread starter Sweetpeaa
- Start date
-
🐕 I am attempting to get the site runnning as fast as possible. If you are experiencing slow page load times, please report it.
DiscoRodeo
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2020
Someone's gotta pay boomers retirement funds. Im not rooting for their demise, I just know that I have little to no place in this society myself and thats why Ive opted out of Canada
Lone Wandering Courier
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Dec 12, 2022
Personally as a Midwestern American, I've never heard that. I have heard of Alberta being the Texas of Canada and that's kind of it. If anything, I've heard of Madison (Wisconsin's capital city) being the Berkeley of the Midwest and a smaller town in Wisconsin has been dubbed the Newport of the Midwest.
Last edited:
Mothra1988
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- May 27, 2021
Canada is fucked for the same reason all the commonwealth countries are fucked, no solid bill of rights. I don't know why the faggots living there don't get mad about that, but they never do anything about being treated as serfs by the idiots they vote for.
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2022
We tried with getting our Constitution from England under Trudeau Sr, but just like his wifes son he's a dipshit - he got all the provinces on board except Quebec, which more or less means whenever we want to do anything to the thing Quebec more or less has a veto. It's a massive oversimplification, but frankly I'm more amused by the irony that we've gone from the English controlling our Constitution to the French - and not even the OG French, the bootleg French.
How we haven't fallen apart as a country before now is a fucking miracle.
- Joined
- Nov 18, 2020
Someone pointed out, can even one Canadian even recite one line of our founding constitution? I went home for my week vacation to visit family up north and it really has cemented that a collapse is coming. There is no hope for Canada and you shouldn't hold your breath. I really can't stress this enough but our metropolitan city centers have ruined the entire country. The North has the smell of brown all over. My father's apartment complex smells like falafel and seasoned rice 24/7. Not even when food is cooking and it's not a good scent either.
If you were told that Alberta was our last hope and you moved there only to learn it's the same shit you'd be pissed too. Our government has handed the job of immigration out to third parties who then outsource the outsourced work. Sure you can hate the immigrants who get sold a lie, but I'd rather take this out on our governing body. We really do need a political caucus reset with as much rope and lead as it needs.
As for the Natives, no you did not do anything to contribute to the issues at hand for being born white. However, those schools absolutely fucked up their whole history and it does play a big role in the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in.
I have known multiple people who are natives who never grew up like it. They had a standard "white privileged" household with middle-income family levels. They used their ethnicity to grift and lie about how hard and tough it was for them to grow up. They get money, fame, and constant interviews. Hate them, hate them with a passion. A very similar issue happens with the chieftains, most if not all of them are sellouts who take back-end bribes only to publicly protest to string along the tribe and public opinion. The ways the borders were drawn up all overlap between tribes so at the moment within the Native communities there is constant infighting. Now it's kind of always been like this, but the government seems to have doubled down on fueling the fire. They know as well as many other Natives that those graves are circumstantial evidence at best and a total lie at worst. The outcome doesn't matter though as long as people are constantly fighting each other.
The graves play easily into many hands, Natives are upset, whites are upset, left upset, right upset, and people are all blaming each other. Nothing is actually even being done yet it's creating the most amount of buzz and press. It's like when the feds tried to pin it all on the Catholic church! MOTHER FUCKER YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT.
As with many issues, it's all being overseen by evil satanic "rulers" who care little for anyone who doesn't also drink the child's blood.
For fucks sake our government is going super in on the HOMOGLOBAL takeover as well as sterilizing the mentally ill while at the same time importing Muslims over as they can and telling them they need to be okay with the gay and troon kids issues. The cognitive dissonance on display for the world to see is sickening.
We are using the MAIDs deaths for organs to cure sick people... You guys that's the lowest level of respect for human life I could think of. It's happening behind the scenes ever so slowly. Something has to give, something is going to break soon.
I've been on that hope pill and for the first time, my life is going pretty smoothly! This isn't to be all doomer but there really is no hope, I'd best be prepared for some tough shit soon.
No amount of voting or elections can fix this bros, it's too late to go back. The only way is forwards and we need to get ready to fight.
If you were told that Alberta was our last hope and you moved there only to learn it's the same shit you'd be pissed too. Our government has handed the job of immigration out to third parties who then outsource the outsourced work. Sure you can hate the immigrants who get sold a lie, but I'd rather take this out on our governing body. We really do need a political caucus reset with as much rope and lead as it needs.
As for the Natives, no you did not do anything to contribute to the issues at hand for being born white. However, those schools absolutely fucked up their whole history and it does play a big role in the sad state of affairs we find ourselves in.
I have known multiple people who are natives who never grew up like it. They had a standard "white privileged" household with middle-income family levels. They used their ethnicity to grift and lie about how hard and tough it was for them to grow up. They get money, fame, and constant interviews. Hate them, hate them with a passion. A very similar issue happens with the chieftains, most if not all of them are sellouts who take back-end bribes only to publicly protest to string along the tribe and public opinion. The ways the borders were drawn up all overlap between tribes so at the moment within the Native communities there is constant infighting. Now it's kind of always been like this, but the government seems to have doubled down on fueling the fire. They know as well as many other Natives that those graves are circumstantial evidence at best and a total lie at worst. The outcome doesn't matter though as long as people are constantly fighting each other.
The graves play easily into many hands, Natives are upset, whites are upset, left upset, right upset, and people are all blaming each other. Nothing is actually even being done yet it's creating the most amount of buzz and press. It's like when the feds tried to pin it all on the Catholic church! MOTHER FUCKER YOU ARE THE GOVERNMENT.
As with many issues, it's all being overseen by evil satanic "rulers" who care little for anyone who doesn't also drink the child's blood.
For fucks sake our government is going super in on the HOMOGLOBAL takeover as well as sterilizing the mentally ill while at the same time importing Muslims over as they can and telling them they need to be okay with the gay and troon kids issues. The cognitive dissonance on display for the world to see is sickening.
We are using the MAIDs deaths for organs to cure sick people... You guys that's the lowest level of respect for human life I could think of. It's happening behind the scenes ever so slowly. Something has to give, something is going to break soon.
I've been on that hope pill and for the first time, my life is going pretty smoothly! This isn't to be all doomer but there really is no hope, I'd best be prepared for some tough shit soon.
No amount of voting or elections can fix this bros, it's too late to go back. The only way is forwards and we need to get ready to fight.
Yes, I have a friend in Wisconsin I was very confused to learn about Canadian staples also being common there.
DiscoRodeo
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2020
We don't have a founding constitution, so Id find it odd if you could recite any lines yourself. If you mean the British North America act or the 1982 charter of rights and freedoms, yeah we have those.
There's always hope, but yeah wouldn't hold my breath because that would require the liberal elite having a sudden realization that their lifestyle is built on the backs of cheap migrant labor scabbing out Canadians who couldnt make it into said elite and do something to change that.
I don't actually care about falafel or seasoned rice. I care more about unemployed Canadians as my first priority. Scent smelling good is irrelevant, if things were fine with the economy, Id be less inclined to say "fuck off, were full".
Maybe if youre in Calgary, you said you went up North and it was different? Stay out of the big cities, but yeah- Calgary has tons of Indians.
Ill play the conservative historian here and point out, the choice was to either let natives fuck around and starve after the Bison died off/never learn English or French, never learn how to read, still be basically hunter-gatherers, etc, or to send them to the residential schools.
Something bemusing to me is when polled nationally, 50% of more Dutch are actually proud of their colonial history. Theres an anti-colonial narrative, and while residential schools did have abuses and have faults (imo when you take someones kids, theres extra burden to care for them, because youre taking on the responsibility of a parent by forcefully taking them away), but the program itself wasn't wrong- just how it was mismanaged in certain cases.
How do you manage to teach kids from vast expanses of hundreds of kilometers to read and write, among other skills that they will need to transition into the modern world? You centralize a location and bring them into a boarding school.
Agreed, its standard liberal progressivism. They may be right and may have been overlooked for jobs, may not have the familial connections in industry or business to draw upon for references, internships, etc. But its the natives in remote regions without plumbing I give more of a fuck about, frankly. Otherwise, their plight is no more different from any other group mired in an urban center, all the bad that entails, independent of history.
I call this phenomena Trickle Down Progressivism. 99% of the time, idpol and racial identity politics are used by the middle or upper middle classes to enfranchise themselves, and we somehow have the strange belief that if we are progressive to bourjie yuppie liberals, they, in turn, will trickle down some of that progressivisim to "their own communities" in rural Yukon, in the black ghettos, etc.
If stats prove anything, these people neither came from these communities to begin with, nor give back to them. Its the same thing you see with natives getting free college. Its not the natives living in the middle of UpYerMukLuk, but some urbanite who is about as native as Elizabeth Warren or as rich as a Casino owners daughter cashing in on that. Its why you should never take racial idpol stuff seriously. Who gives a fuck about "representation" on the board of Raytheon, why does it matter if 1/12 CFOs are black? When black people get rich, they dont open businesses or factories in the ghetto. For most racial groups, is that progressivism going to trickle down somehow? Dick chance. Their people are other liberal urban yuppies, their grift is their race.
What can be done? Its a literal non-issue. Want to ask the government to close down the residential schools? Already done. The generation that actually died of measles in the 20s is already gone, this is an issue that is like slavery in the US, except its a bit more recent, but basically noone alive from when the actual "negligence" (I say that, because I do think the government failed in its responsibility to insulate these kids, but also tons of kids were dying of diseases in the 20s) occurred. Its all people who went into these schools in the 60s or 70s, when there wern't really any deaths. Yeah, your culture got defanged and you no longer live in a mosquito infested hut on the side of a river. Cry me a river, it does suck to get forcefully culturally assimilated, but its also definitely a grift. The issue is more that they got forcefully assimilated, learnt to read and write, and turns out- there were no jobs in rural Manitoba for them to even go to so they turned to alcohol.
Q-anon esque
Inb4 called a liberal, touch grass, this is cringe facebook boomer take like "canadian founding constitution"
Last edited:
Nol 2
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Nov 19, 2021
holy shit canadabros, you guys are so fucked.
Jarolleon
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 23, 2019
@DiscoRodeo (due to reply bug), another factor going into "trickle down progressivism" is that progressivism is the most popular in urban centers and university campuses, which encourages (on top of the common incentives that cause rural brain drain in Canada) the elite of those minority groups to cluster in those places and become just like the white liberals. Much easier than actually dealing with their own people, or rural whites who might call them out on their bullshit . Many elected tribal "chiefs" will spend all their time dicking around in Toronto with the money that was supposed to help their people, knowing that, because voter eligibility is determined by blood ties rather than actually living there, they can win the votes of the band with a slick social media presence even when the reserve has gone to shit.
Last edited:
DiscoRodeo
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2020
Thats the entire thing with trickle down progressivisim. Its the liberal inverse of trickle down economics.
You think that if you improve conditions for the elite of an ethnic group, social benefits will trickle down to others within said ethnic group.
Other than a few drops or crumbs, it doesnt. Its the same thing as trickle down economics. You give airlines millions of dollars, and theyre just going to buy back their own stock at a higher price. You give banks millions of dollars, and same things. You add tax cuts, and they'll just relocate to another country regardless and pocket the difference as bonuses for CEOs. I'm not saying to add more regulations or more taxes or anything like that (you get an opposite problem),
but with trickle down progressivism, you have the asinine belief that if you empower the richest of a minority group, or the most well off, that they will "uplift their ethnic compatriots". This is rarely the case, they have more in common with yuppies than they do with their own people.
The big problem is that its a retarded concept thats in the midst of the ideology that has captured our state, so even if you believe in helping minorities, you still fail there because empowering 6 Arabs to the board of Johnson & Johnson wont do squat for recent arab immigrants, chances are.
Same thing with Indians, Natives, Blacks, etc. Its why, even as a liberal or a NDP voter, these people are retarded sheep just getting taken for a ride. I'll get political here and highlight- know what does help out poor blacks, recent brown migrants, natives in rural regions? Class action, not trickle down progressivism, but noone on the left is ready for that talk or has been willing to have it since maybe the 80s because it also includes poor white people and the dying lower-middle class. Its all just a racial grift, and one that doesnt even work because its always centered around racialized yuppies who are angry that Degrassi doesnt feature enough brown people, claim racial oppression and want to bring up their own race, equate that with "raising the glass ceiling", but have literally never been to a ghetto burb of Toronto themselves. Why does raising the glass ceiling for the elites matter if people at the bottom dont even have boots to pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Self-centered people, imo.
Last edited:
OutInTheRain
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- May 6, 2022
Leadership is conferred upon the person who is most able to meet the groups needs.
What the is going on is something we have seen historically with foreign powers imposing their will over a nation. They pander to a minority, build them up and achieve dominion, because said empowered minority does not want to give up their special status they will fight for the it, to the death. Now we have seen what happens when this system fails, it's every single decolonization conflict, Ireland, Sri Lanka and Rwanda are famous examples of this.
Right now, leftists are offering ethno-socialism in exchange for votes. Reduced jail sentences for crimes, various gibs but only for certain races. This keeps the wealthy college educated class happy, because they are seen as correcting historical injustices, real and imagined. It also keeps people who vehemently disagree on leftist shit voting for them. They pay off the elites with money and favoured positions, look at how many are in Cabinet right now.
Now the worry is, what happens when the money runs out? And it will run out in Canada, we have a weak economy, and sabotage from several levels of government. These elites will no longer be able to deliver on promises, the gibs will run out. What happens to the natives, when there is no more welfare? What happens when the Indians demand more and more power? You think Quebec will go along with that?
DiscoRodeo
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2020
Bantuization
as opposed to Balkanization. Its the creative term people use to refer to what happened to South Africa. But I don't think itll be quite like that. Every nation is unique, has a unique history, geopgraphy, and socio-political climates and dilemmas. I strongly suspect that Canada will follow something similar to Latin America, and likely something similar to what happened to Argentina. I think migrants will stop seeing Canada as being as attractive, many will leave, and many more just won't come because theyre getting sold a lie that Canada is a land of opportunity.Maybe youll see a mix of something like Saffa, but there just arent enough black people for that to even be a remote concern as a national level (and anyone saying that there are is ignorant of actual demographics in Canada vs South Africa or the US). Canadas greatest problem isn't hordes of blacks, or natives, or Indians, it is its own liberal white population. Maybe youll have some ghettos like in Winnipeg or parts of Windsor, Vancouver with their own ghetto problems- but you have a higher probability of running into a white zombie/junkie there (unless it is Winnipeg that were talking about, then itll be a native junkie).
The case study for Canada is probably going to be similar to Argentina. Regardless of Argentina unironically being full of strong unions and liberals, their population functionally lives in an apartheid state based on class, where the rich live in gated communities and the poor (of the same race, often) live in decrepit soviet style apartments that have to be subsidized by a state already in constant debt and defaulting multiple times every few years. We're really not that far from there today, unironically- we just have more townhouses in certain places.
North America started off as a refuge of the lower classes, but probably in the 1960s and onwards, it became a refuge of the elite. Every time some sort of populist revolt happened in a shithole halfway across the world, their elite fled to the North America. When you look at most people who are 2nd or 3rd generation migrants, their parents are exiled elites. The quality of refugee or migrant changed, and our culture shifted from something more populist itself (whether you credit that to strong unions and anti-immigrant or pro-small business capital, that used to be the political dichotomy), to taking on the traumas, dramas, and dumb ideas of the elites who fled here.
Foreign powers dont have a stranglehold on us in any way. Its our culture itself that has shifted and when a Kardashian (or seriously, a Soros) gets run out of Armenia and comes here and repeats the same policies, thats the problem. You see it as a microcasm with Californians influencing other states in the US, picture that but with the entire international world dropping off their liberals here every time they get run out.
Its more terrifying to state that noone is really in charge, that the boomers were so obsessed about changing the culture, but not taking the responsibility themselves. Theyre good at shifting culture, bad at actually governing. Were not in a Machiavellian scheme in terms of state capture, we're state captured by idiots with "good wills" but who are unable to actually cope with consequences or the fact that choices always come at a cost. Thats the problem.
"Why cant we reduce jail sentences for crimes? Whats the bad part? What? lalalala, Im not listening"
Last edited:
- Joined
- Dec 7, 2018
It's like misers think everyone who's broke is a drunkard or a drug addict when most brokies are just in a tough spot.
TrainWreckWatcher
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 9, 2023
It has the hills and forests and Madison is a college town but really Michigan I think is more akin to it.
Sweetpeaa
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2019
The housing issue began in 97 apparently when some type of law was passed that allowed foreigners to buy property in Canada. This probably started in Vancouver which was a bit of podunk before the Chinese money based on what the older people say. Housing was cheap there before the late 1990's. This housing issue basically remained confined to BC and those of us in other provinces didn't know how much of a problem it was.
It didn't start creeping into Ontario until about 2010 (a few years after the great recession that didn't hit us that hard. But still affected things). Started off subtle enough but mainly in the largest cities. Then after 2015 it absolutely accelerated to the point now where you have a home with 300k in 2013 being sold now for 2.5 million in Toronto suburbs. Little towns and smaller cities have no housing anyone can afford to buy except the wealthy. All high paying careers in Canada pay lower than the United States don't forget.
Remember to leave!!! Or.. if you want to go to alberta (like a lot of people in Ontario) do it quick before the problem gets out of hand over there too. Alberta has lower costs of housing and slightly higher pay but there are still issues there. From the boom and bust economy, to unbelievably cold weather. Fires, twisters, flooding and crime issues. There are a lot of violent Aboriginal gangs there. They do home invasions, robberies and killings so be careful about home security. I still remember that YouTube video of a white woman who talked about her home invasions experience in Edmonton... Three native guys beat the fucking shit out of her. They got into her house. That type of thing is not uncommon out west.
In Ontario outside the GTA and away from the problem spots and areas where the meth heads gather you really don't encounter that sort of crime. Lots of people here don't even have a security system. They lock their doors but don't really see a need to invest in security. Out west however it's essential.
It didn't start creeping into Ontario until about 2010 (a few years after the great recession that didn't hit us that hard. But still affected things). Started off subtle enough but mainly in the largest cities. Then after 2015 it absolutely accelerated to the point now where you have a home with 300k in 2013 being sold now for 2.5 million in Toronto suburbs. Little towns and smaller cities have no housing anyone can afford to buy except the wealthy. All high paying careers in Canada pay lower than the United States don't forget.
Remember to leave!!! Or.. if you want to go to alberta (like a lot of people in Ontario) do it quick before the problem gets out of hand over there too. Alberta has lower costs of housing and slightly higher pay but there are still issues there. From the boom and bust economy, to unbelievably cold weather. Fires, twisters, flooding and crime issues. There are a lot of violent Aboriginal gangs there. They do home invasions, robberies and killings so be careful about home security. I still remember that YouTube video of a white woman who talked about her home invasions experience in Edmonton... Three native guys beat the fucking shit out of her. They got into her house. That type of thing is not uncommon out west.
In Ontario outside the GTA and away from the problem spots and areas where the meth heads gather you really don't encounter that sort of crime. Lots of people here don't even have a security system. They lock their doors but don't really see a need to invest in security. Out west however it's essential.
- Joined
- Sep 28, 2022
The suburbs of Ontario are becoming extensions of Toronto so unless you go pretty far out you are still faced with skyrocketing housing, homeless refugees on every 401 on ramp begging for money, the police stations being used as temporary shelters and violent crime. It’s like a slow disease spread. For example the region I live in is considered part of the greater Toronto area but 15-20 years ago is was practically cottage country. Now the inner city has spread east and west so our once quiet family oriented neighborhoods are being overrun by the niggers and refugees .
The only place to improve is to get out if you can.
The only place to improve is to get out if you can.
DiscoRodeo
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2020
While Im one who has left and suggest it for other people, we honestly need to figure out something better for people sticking it out, and if it is just take it or leave, we're no better than Mexicans or Argentinians
- Joined
- Nov 5, 2020
After a lot of thought I've begun to realize that Canada isn't a failed state. But it is a failing state you're beginning to see state failure as people within the prairies become more prone to starting independence movements. Canada if you think about it as a nation is really only held together by the fact that Ontario and Alberta provide so much wealth they're able to bribe the french into staying inside Canada. Now however it seems like that's starting to come to an end as the Midwestern American and prairie mindset is starting to form a new culture to resist the rule of the laurentian elite.
- Joined
- Aug 21, 2019
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2020
