Canada is a failed state

[TurdFondler]

It's not that you're wrong or I disagree, but Canada treats the Avro project like it was the shoah. The nation will never recover. There's gonna be faster than light travel one day and you know some canuck is gonna be like "this could have been made in Canada if it wasn't for the Avro Arrow"

 

[Lord Xenu]

It's not that you're wrong or I disagree, but Canada treats the Avro project like it was the shoah. The nation will never recover. There's gonna be faster than light travel one day and you know some canuck is gonna be like "this could have been made in Canada if it wasn't for the Avro Arrow"

Otherwise, all the Canadian Aerospace buffs would have to point at is a boring robotic arm.

My interest is in it being one of the earliest, and most egregious, of many instances. Our nuclear industry is another. Then you have telecom, real-estate, and more contemporarily, Biotech.
(Time stamped it at 14:05, though it's worth watching the full episode, for anyone who hasn't).

Canada's politicians have a long history of selling out the citizenry for short term personal gain with promises of long term economic benefits to the public, from countries who have little motivation to pay the bill. I can theoretically see why we would trust the US in the past, but why trust the fucking CCP of all regimes?

Also, I think it's hard to estimate what the actual cost of the Arrow was in long-term public trust and contribution to brain-drain. This is a quote from a recent BBC article:

A huge contingent of the engineers who made up Nasa's Space Task Group were from Avro, and they laid the foundation for Nasa’s Spaceflight Center,” says Amy Shira Teitel. “Canadians are way too modest to say I did it, but a lot of the people who made the critical decisions in the Apollo-era were Canadian.

“I think getting to the Moon without those brains would have looked very different.”

There were 15,000 skilled workers, including 1,000 engineers, on that project. They just closed the doors one day, without warning. Many of those employees were heavily invested in Avro stock. It shook the country. Within three years Avro was gone, along with 50,000 jobs.

 

[TurdFondler]

It's not too late to turn it around. We've got a literate population, 1st world amenities and reasonable infrastructure. There's no reason we can't start churning out our own engineers. We've got so many make work projects and modernization opportunities. For example, why can't we design our own arctic superiority fighter instead of trying to use the cucked F35? Look at the C130, a home grown cargo plane built of necessity.

But nah, let's just encourage rent seeking.

 

[Ser Prize]

It's not too late to turn it around. We've got a literate population, 1st world amenities and reasonable infrastructure. There's no reason we can't start churning out our own engineers. We've got so many make work projects and modernization opportunities. For example, why can't we design our own arctic superiority fighter instead of trying to use the cucked F35? Look at the C130, a home grown cargo plane built of necessity.

But nah, let's just encourage rent seeking.

That requires investing in the native populace. Easier to just fleece rich chinks and pajeets who will head back to their own countries.

 

[SevenEightNine]

It's not too late to turn it around. We've got a literate population, 1st world amenities and reasonable infrastructure. There's no reason we can't start churning out our own engineers. We've got so many make work projects and modernization opportunities. For example, why can't we design our own arctic superiority fighter instead of trying to use the cucked F35? Look at the C130, a home grown cargo plane built of necessity.

But nah, let's just encourage rent seeking.

Canadian leaders and politicians do not believe their population is capable of innovation. They refuse to see it, it's more comfortable for them to look outward for skilled workers. Most provincial governments prefer to be bent over the table by the junior associates of contract consulting firms than hire their own local experts to do work. The results are predictable. Meanwhile, the best qualified people in country are employed by big companies, doing a lot of work internationally and leaving as fast as they can get jobs. It's unreal to be hyper-qualified for a job with your own government and realize that they are going to bring in someone from another country with less qualification, just because their hiring departments can't see domestic talent at all, they are conditioned to look elsewhere.

It's not about pay either.

 

[TurdFondler]

Most provincial governments prefer to be bent over the table by the junior associates of contract consulting firms than hire their own local experts to do work. The results are predictable. Meanwhile, the best qualified people in country are employed by big companies, doing a lot of work internationally

Ditching all the Crown corporations and municipal departments was a gigantic mistake. No one from a hired agency is going to have the same vision and ability. There's no way to make a lifetime career or build any kind of culture within the city planning departments, so we get soulless grift projects. There's no pride in any of the work.

The contract approach basically makes sure the country stagnates forever.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

It's not too late to turn it around. We've got a literate population, 1st world amenities and reasonable infrastructure. There's no reason we can't start churning out our own engineers. We've got so many make work projects and modernization opportunities. For example, why can't we design our own arctic superiority fighter instead of trying to use the cucked F35? Look at the C130, a home grown cargo plane built of necessity.

But nah, let's just encourage rent seeking.

Additional commentary on Canadian industry. Out of curiosity I was researching industry in the Great Lakes region in the mid 1900s, specifically looking up how lake going bulk freighters operate. Back in the early 1900s, many if not all ships were made in the US, the biggest of which were made in the 1960s-80s. These are 1000 ft ships like the MV Paul Tregurtha that carry raw material like iron ore and the like. These 1000 footers are still in service today carrying freight from US only ports in the Great Lakes. Turns out US going freight is regulated with a Japan hermit kingdom style rule thanks to the 1920 Jones Act that requires all US going freight to be carried only on US built ships manned by US citizens from a US company. Besides having a longer lifespan for operating in freshwater, these 1970s lakers are still maintained and serviced to operate today due to the Jones Act.

In comparison, I looked up the kind of ships Canada uses for their lake going freight and it turns out their operational fleet is in the long process of getting updated with new ships, all of which are made in China. So much for Canadian pride. Some of these ships are the Algoma Mariner (2011) and Algoma Equinox (2013), both made in Chengxi Shipyard in China. So sad.

 

[Lord Xenu]

There's no reason we can't start churning out our own engineers.

We're too busy churning out Grievance Studies majors. Ain't no time for that shit, when there's pronouns to police!

 

[Never Scored]

White college kids knocking over statues of John A MacDonald and spray painting them because racism is A-OK. Indians burning down a church because they are angry about residential schools is A-OK. White anti-mandate protesters putting a hat and flag on Terry Fox, leaving the statue itself totally unharmed is defacing a statue of a national hero.

K.

Guys don't... don't be alarmed or anything, but I'm starting to think the media has a double standard.

Also the media: Why are they throwing shit at us?

 

[InteracialBowelSyndrome]

Whole lot of upset losers crying about the convoy today.

A great rebuttal is "The truck convoy is 93% peaceful."

Watch them seethe.

 

[Splinters RCVD ✞]

Hmph. Now that Trump has spoken about it, something makes me suspect that Honkgate is yet another monkey circus event organized ultimately from the top up for some specific purpose desirable for the TPTB.

 

[PaleTay]

Hmph. Now that Trump has spoken about it, something makes me suspect that Honkgate is yet another monkey circus event organized ultimately from the top up for some specific purpose desirable for the TPTB.

They win regardless, it just kind of depends on in which direction.

Option 1: This kicks off the dissolution of governments and leads to a One World Government. #Unity
Option 2: This is just an out for politicians to look good by giving back a tiny amount of what they took, all while convincing normies to not look at what's happening in schools and their communities.

 

[TurdFondler]

Apparently some provinces are banning gas heatig from new construction homes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/bans-fossil-fuel-heating-homes-1.6327113

The article curiously omits the source of new electricity that would power these homes. If they're not building reactors for these new electric homes and cars, I can only assume it's to drive up the price of electricity even more.

 

[Ser Prize]

Apparently some provinces are banning gas heatig from new construction homes.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/bans-fossil-fuel-heating-homes-1.6327113

The article curiously omits the source of new electricity that would power these homes. If they're not building reactors for these new electric homes and cars, I can only assume it's to drive up the price of electricity even more.

"OH VEY THINK OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE GOTTA GO GREEN GOYIM"

 

[Never Scored]

Apparently some provinces are banning gas heatig from new construction homes.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/bans-fossil-fuel-heating-homes-1.6327113

The article curiously omits the source of new electricity that would power these homes. If they're not building reactors for these new electric homes and cars, I can only assume it's to drive up the price of electricity even more.

Don't trust them. Get a woodstove. You don't have to use it to heat your house now, but once you've got it, it's yours. We have an old fireplace in our house that hasn't been used in a long time and we're getting an insert put in to make it usable again.

Burning wood is technically considered carbon neutral because the carbon released is all stuff that would have been released back into the atmosphere once the tree died anyway, not ancient carbon that has been locked under ground for millions of years.

 

[Splinters RCVD ✞]

Don't trust them. Get a woodstove. You don't have to use it to heat your house now, but once you've got it, it's yours. We have an old fireplace in our house that hasn't been used in a long time and we're getting an insert put in to make it usable again.

Burning wood is technically considered carbon neutral because the carbon released is all stuff that would have been released back into the atmosphere once the tree died anyway, not ancient carbon that has been locked under ground for millions of years.

Plus you can burn paper and all sorts of flammable stuff that you would otherwise throw out. Wood-based heating is by far and wide the most economical, if done right and not in excess.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

The Idea that First World Countries import the third world both as an opportunity for them to thrive and in an attempt to regrow it's population is complete bullocks. The actual solution to the issue is to provide the third world blueprints that made the first world prosperous in the first place as well as reintroduce traditional gender norms that help the fertility rate instead of destroying it with unhealthy LGBT lunacy lifestyle. If this trend still continues, Canada would become a dysfunctional hellhole Grey blob featureless culture where everything looks the same.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

The Idea that First World Countries import the third world both as an opportunity for them to thrive and in an attempt to regrow it's population is complete bullocks. The actual solution to the issue is to provide the third world blueprints that made the first world prosperous in the first place as well as reintroduce traditional gender norms that help the fertility rate instead of destroying it with unhealthy LGBT lunacy lifestyle. If this trend still continues, Canada would become a dysfunctional hellhole Grey blob featureless culture where everything looks the same.

Personally, I hope that we reverse, or at least mitigate, some of the more disastrous policies pursued both in Canada and elsewhere. The 1964 Civil Rights Act have fucked up the US immensely, almost as much as the establishment of the Federal Reserve. I'm sure the Canucks have a similar issue, compounded a few times over.

 

[Ser Prize]

The Idea that First World Countries import the third world both as an opportunity for them to thrive and in an attempt to regrow it's population is complete bullocks. The actual solution to the issue is to provide the third world blueprints that made the first world prosperous in the first place as well as reintroduce traditional gender norms that help the fertility rate instead of destroying it with unhealthy LGBT lunacy lifestyle. If this trend still continues, Canada would become a dysfunctional hellhole Grey blob featureless culture where everything looks the same.

Personally, I hope that we reverse, or at least mitigate, some of the more disastrous policies pursued both in Canada and elsewhere. The 1964 Civil Rights Act have fucked up the US immensely, almost as much as the establishment of the Federal Reserve. I'm sure the Canucks have a similar issue, compounded a few times over.

They import third worlders because they're generally dumber and will vote for the party calling for more immigration. Essentially creating their own slave class who they have leverage over.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The Idea that First World Countries import the third world both as an opportunity for them to thrive and in an attempt to regrow it's population is complete bullocks. The actual solution to the issue is to provide the third world blueprints that made the first world prosperous in the first place as well as reintroduce traditional gender norms that help the fertility rate instead of destroying it with unhealthy LGBT lunacy lifestyle. If this trend still continues, Canada would become a dysfunctional hellhole Grey blob featureless culture where everything looks the same.

It already largely is, to be honest.

I'm a fan of the melting pot (not multiculturalism, there is a difference). I can remember moving to and living in Canada in the 2000s from the states, the reverse immigration shit of Canadians moving to the US if you want.

While the traditional Canadian culture basically is gone, save in more rural regions or the maritime provinces, there was a newly emerging "new" Canadian identity in the 2000s that was somewhat unique to Canada. Maybe its just rose tinted glasses, but I can remember Toronto during this time, youth subcultures that were Scott Pilgrim esque, Kenny vs Spenny, etc, the signs of immigration to come, but people still assimilating and largely becoming Canadianized with maybe a spark or two of their older culture remaining.

I think that the word of the day is really just accelerationism. I think that the gentrification of most urban places just accelerated rapidly during the 2010s. I think that immigration did as well, jobs stagnated, and trends that should have been managable ceased to be, due to the accelerated nature of things happening too fast, and in greater quantities than before.

I don't understand Canadian youth culture now, or think that it really exists. When you use the term Grey blob, most of Urban Canada today just looks identical to every other major international cosmopolitan city. Many places I once used to frequent are no longer really even Canadian (especially in the GTA). The Zeitgeist of Canadian life doesnt even seem to have Canadianness at its core in any place I can really see. The wish to be multicultural, international, and people's previous cultures being what they identify with more seems to be an all too common trend.

And then after culture, you get to the issue of jobs and crime.