Canada is a failed state

[Brutality]

Are you ready to get your ass raped by your own government on April 1 when carbon tax goes up by another quarter percent.

 

[Ser Prize]

Are you ready to get your ass raped by your own government on April 1 when carbon tax goes up by another quarter percent.

They already hiked it twice in BC. Holy fuck. Again?

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

You come off like a child who has never faced even the most minor adversity in life.

Canada during COVID was too much lunacy for me to handle.

Are you ready to get your ass raped by your own government on April 1 when carbon tax goes up by another quarter percent.

Holy shit. Talk about Canada getting more and more expensive. No wonder those who came end ended up being trapped there whilst wanting to leave.

 

[SilentDuck]

Shocking that inflation would increase rapidly as a result of unprecedented global COVID policies and thus market disruptions right? Just kidding, it wasn't surprising at all.

It's not even the worst inflationary period in Canadian history, that was the 70s. inb4 "they changed the calculations" as if nothing about Canadian life has changed since the 70s.

What is shocking is anyone who cannot associate the Government of Canada printing itself half a trillion dollars to play with and then telling people not to worry about paying their mortgages to set off the worse housing crisis in the world as the primary drivers of inflation.

Absolutely nothing like the 1970s in size or scope.

"Global disruptions". It's not the world's fault that Canada has no resilience, decided to shut down what little it has going on outside of government spending and opts for suicide with a neo-Rentier economy despite a century of studies all concluding over and over again that no such economy has ever produced a single thing of value.

 

[Chug Smuckle]

I miss pickle doritos. yeah the housing crisis, isp monoploy, government overreach and culture war bs, are terrible.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I'm not pro-Trudeau quality frankly I can't stand him, but I'm also not a brainless right wing sperg repeating talking points I heard on social media

Yes you are a brainless sperg- you're here to go "well achthually, we're not in a technical recession!" to derail this thread

a) who cares what the technical definition is
b) we technically are, actually

You're right, it's a doom posting thread and nothing more, god forbid people want to I don't know...actually discuss Canadian issues

No you don't, you want to be contrarian even against whats actually going on to annoy people. You've literally contributed nothing else to this conversation.

are props for challenging the narrative.

I think others in this thread have done a much better job at adding nuance to the narrative than this. "oh no, you guys are just doomposting, were not in a recession, every G20 nation has economic problems post-covid" is asinine.

What is shocking is anyone who cannot associate the Government of Canada printing itself half a trillion dollars to play with and then telling people not to worry about paying their mortgages to set off the worse housing crisis in the world as the primary drivers of inflation.

Absolutely nothing like the 1970s in size or scope.

"Global disruptions". It's not the world's fault that Canada has no resilience, decided to shut down what little it has going on outside of government spending and opts for suicide with a neo-Rentier economy despite a century of studies all concluding over and over again that no such economy has ever produced a single thing of value.

I can remember thinking this during covid, that printing the free money for people to stay at home for a year + was going to have some inflationary effects,

and yeah- that the rest of the nation would have to pick up the pieces. Sucks, honestly.

 

[SilentDuck]

I can remember thinking this during covid, that printing the free money for people to stay at home for a year + was going to have some inflationary effects,

and yeah- that the rest of the nation would have to pick up the pieces. Sucks, honestly.

This "emergency relief" in the form of no-bid contracts, unaccounted for spending and gibs went to "all the right people" that is for sure. CEWS not even being questioned and CERB going to CRA pajeets and CBC employees who were still working, etc. ArriveCan is going to be just the start.

I have doubts that very much of this money actually wound up in common people's hands and I don't think Mayor McBlackface is about to call for an audit of himself. Ultimately the public pays either way so what was the point other than to punish people who do not live on or get rich from one form of government cheese or the other?

 

[Montalbane]

Tag me directly you coward.

It isn't derailing to trying and bring some sanity to a discussion, but it's okay and I get it, people just want to be angry without having to think. It's okay to have dozens of pages of right wing sperging, but the moment you threaten the echo chamber it's a huge fucking problem.

Suck the shit out of my ass and make a sandwich out of it you sissy cunt

@Catler

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I have doubts that very much of this money actually wound up in common people's hands and I don't think Mayor McBlackface is about to call for an audit of himself. Ultimately the public pays either way so what was the point other than to punish people who do not live on or get rich from one form of government cheese or the other?

I don't even think its necessarily about winding up in the common people's hands-

I think the big problem is that it didn't fall into productive peoples hands.

What I mean is that, I can recall a friend in Vancouver who was working at a grocery store previously taking his CERB, using some for rent, and then he wound up buying a massive TV. So much of it just fell into peoples hands only to be used for unnecessary consumption. It gave amazon a killing, but CERB missed the point entirely.

Id much rather have seen something where small businesses wern't closed down, had a mortgage mortarium, and where we'd still have our old downtown cores, etc.

The biggest problem for me with CERB isn't necessarily even the inflation, but the fact that small businesses were basically left to hang and dry amid the process.

So a bunch of people got to splurge their CERB benefits on unnecessary things, Amazon got richer, and amid that middle class businesses basically got eaten out, and now we're at our current state. People have a bunch of useless crap from online shopping, and the only jobs are with big conglomerates now.

You also can't forget that CERB fraud was also a huge thing. People leaving their jobs for superfluous reasons, taking CERB, and then doing Uber on the side. In some ways, jokes on them I guess, because now all they actually have is Uber and that previous job ain't coming back, or its been given to an Indian.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I'm not pro-Trudeau quality frankly I can't stand him, but I'm also not a brainless right wing sperg repeating talking points I heard on social media.

You're right, it's a doom posting thread and nothing more, god forbid people want to I don't know...actually discuss Canadian issues without whining about fucking brown people or (small L) liberals endlessly.

You come off like a child who has never faced even the most minor adversity in life.

Canadian's aren't enduring minor adversity. Financial adversity in Canada is severe, even supposed high income earners still have less than 700 dollars left over each month after everything else. The poor can't even eat most days, there's something approaching breadlines of people getting food from charities weekly where I live and it's just not homeless people lining up for food exclusively and this isn't even the food bank. You see entire families getting food in a line usually slices of pizza or sandwiches.

Thousands of people are living in their cars who are fully employed all across the country - a situation that has rapidly accelerated in a decade. There are tent cities all across the country filled with the poorest people ad the elderly and disabled. There was a baby born in a tent encampment less than a month ago in Hamilton Ontario, it was reported in the news. But I've heard of social workers saying they're finding babies dropped off in public washrooms frequently - something the media is not wanting to report on yet. People are also surrendering their children to the children's aid at an alarming rate citing ''poverty'' as the reason and that they are on able to provide for them or going to go homeless and don't want their children to see the streets. The media for years has tried to attribute the homeless situation to ''drugs'' and ''mental illness'' but with so many people rapidly losing their housing and ending up on the street the excuses are becoming harder and harder to believe.

Our absolute highest income earners are quitting their professions and leaving for the U.S. A doctor in Toronto recently was featured in a news segment and confessed she only makes 60,000 dollars per year after taxes in a city where the average rent even for a rate infested shoe box 1 bedroom apartment is approaching 3,000 a month. She said she's quitting because the workload is unbearable and the pay is terrible. Being successful and educated will not protect you from poverty even in this country, sure that woman isn't living in a tent but her income won't allow much more than a roof over her head, electricity, internet and maybe some food.


This is Canada.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

You're right, it's a doom posting thread and nothing more, god forbid people want to I don't know...actually discuss Canadian issues without whining about fucking brown people or (small L) liberals endlessly.

I've always been skeptical about people on the internet who complain about the economy. Bad economy hasn't stopped those people from purchasing every latest video game or eating out all the time or giving money to their favorite millionaire streamers and whores or going to disneyland every month.

 

[Local Fed]

I miss pickle doritos.

These aren't a thing anymore? Fuck it, I'm signing up for MAID.

 

[SilentDuck]

I don't even think its necessarily about winding up in the common people's hands-

I think the big problem is that it didn't fall into productive peoples hands.

What I mean is that, I can recall a friend in Vancouver who was working at a grocery store previously taking his CERB, using some for rent, and then he wound up buying a massive TV. So much of it just fell into peoples hands only to be used for unnecessary consumption. It gave amazon a killing, but CERB missed the point entirely.

Id much rather have seen something where small businesses wern't closed down, had a mortgage mortarium, and where we'd still have our old downtown cores, etc.

The biggest problem for me with CERB isn't necessarily even the inflation, but the fact that small businesses were basically left to hang and dry amid the process.

So a bunch of people got to splurge their CERB benefits on unnecessary things, Amazon got richer, and amid that middle class businesses basically got eaten out, and now we're at our current state. People have a bunch of useless crap from online shopping, and the only jobs are with big conglomerates now.

You also can't forget that CERB fraud was also a huge thing. People leaving their jobs for superfluous reasons, taking CERB, and then doing Uber on the side. In some ways, jokes on them I guess, because now all they actually have is Uber and that previous job ain't coming back, or its been given to an Indian.

Businesses had CEWS to "save jobs" but most didn't appear to qualify within the stated window... or didn't apply at all because who would qualify was intentionally confusing. People can rest assured all sorts of Ottawa business entities with no employees got theirs. No audits, no clawbacks and everything about the program got rug swept 2 years ago.

The "rapid deployment" of CERB was to prevent as much damage as possible, at least theoretically because it would have taken Trudeau and his fellow geniuses way too long to establish the process and bureaucracy of who qualified and who did not. The damage would have already been done by the time that was agreed upon. So the "worry later" plan came about and the Pajeet's and world wonders of diversity hiring at the CRA were put in chrage of clawing it back. Mixed results, at best. Canada is filled to the brim with foreign scam artists who do not have income on paper, and the liberal government was not willing to consider just how many there are for the usual ideological reasons. Some shutin' dude buys TVs, xboxes or vape cartridges... that still gets plugged into the economy somewhere somehow in the form of sales or taxes. You give it to 3rd worlders and it winds up "back home" in the 3rd world or in the underground economy.

Anyway... yeah, small businesses got murdered. It's a miracle anyone would still run them I assume anyone who does is short on choices. The state literally hates any kind of legitimate business or business activity it could not be any clearer.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Silent Duck, CERB was rolled out to stop the banks collapsing. Economists say it would have created an insane mortgage crisis. CERB was definitely not a fucking olive branch of any kind, the government doesn't give a shit about their citizens as we know it was just a way to protect the economy.

Yes people got duped and had to pay it back plus the interest. They have more than enough tax payers money from all the repayment, wouldn't be surprised if there a freaking large surplus. I know they garnished people's wages until they got everything they wanted from them.

Oh, onto the small business. Where I live they're either boarded up or replaced with pop up shops selling Etsy garbage. The only small business that was pandemic proof proved to be nail salons - restaurants, clothing stores, books store and whatever else closed up but the Vietnamese owned nail shops even the little dirty ones in a shitty part of town thrived.

 

[Catler]

Global disruptions". It's not the world's fault that Canada has no resilience

Every country has suffered from COVID era policy and the disruptions associated with it and Canada hasn't even been the worst affected within the G7.

doctor in Toronto recently was featured in a news segment and confessed she only makes 60,000 dollars per year

To be only making 60k post-tax per year as a Doctor she'd be making ~80k pre-tax. A doctor making 80k? I'm skeptical and am inclined to blame her because no trained doctor of any variety should be making 80k. Even in the poor provinces doctors make more than that and she could relocate tomorrow anywhere in Canada for significantly more if in fact her story is true.

Was she a doctor, or a "doctor" aka a nurse or one of those woo naturopaths?

Yes you are a brainless sperg- you're here to go "well achthually, we're not in a technical recession!" to derail this thread

tldr: feels more important than fact reeeeeeee

 

[SilentDuck]

Silent Duck, CERB was rolled out to stop the banks collapsing. Economists say it would have created an insane mortgage crisis. CERB was definitely not a fucking olive branch of any kind, the government doesn't give a shit about their citizens as we know it was just a way to protect the economy.

Yes people got duped and had to pay it back plus the interest. They have more than enough tax payers money from all the repayment, wouldn't be surprised if there a freaking large surplus. I know they garnished people's wages until they got everything they wanted from them.

Oh, onto the small business. Where I live they're either boarded up or replaced with pop up shops selling Etsy garbage. The only small business that was pandemic proof proved to be nail salons - restaurants, clothing stores, books store and whatever else closed up but the Vietnamese owned nail shops even the little dirty ones in a shitty part of town thrived.

It was a mix of things. Let's remember the liberal government's plan amounted to touchy-feely we-love-you-bro pandemic messaging and giveaways which were all seemingly good ideas but the first thing on Trudeau's mind was hoping to use the situation to buy himself a majority government. I didn't think I was advocating that the government possibly cares about anyone but that was not my intention.

If the LPC cannot currently come up with a plan to solve any of today's problems that stem from their solutions to yesterday's problems I don't think a solution to a full blown collapse would be possible. First thing in a full blown banking collapse is the bail-in legislation that Trudeau signed on his first day in office and the banks get to take people's bank balances which I think would have resulted in a lot more than horn honking in Ottawa but can't really be certain of anything at this point.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

CERB going to CRA pajeets

CRA at least fired CRA workers who collected CERB and withheld the amounts from their final paycheques.

I have doubts that very much of this money actually wound up in common people's hands

At first the money was used wisely by people to help pay down credit card debts, then the corporations realized they couldn't have that so they jacked up prices.

I've always been skeptical about people on the internet who complain about the economy. Bad economy hasn't stopped those people from purchasing every latest video game or eating out all the time or giving money to their favorite millionaire streamers and whores or going to disneyland every month.

Yes on one hand you have people complaining about grocery prices while at the same time people are spending hundreds of dollars on retarded trends like Stanley cups.

Businesses had CEWS to "save jobs" but most didn't appear to qualify within the stated window... or didn't apply at all because who would qualify was intentionally confusing. People can rest assured all sorts of Ottawa business entities with no employees got theirs. No audits, no clawbacks and everything about the program got rug swept 2 years ago.

Most Accountants at least prepared CEWS schedules to see if there small business clients qualified for the program.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Yes on one hand you have people complaining about grocery prices while at the same time people are spending hundreds of dollars on retarded trends like Stanley cups.

I hate to get to the 'capitalism' bad schlick, as its abused and overused;

but I'd say the biggest issue there is the fact that we gutted out the middle class almost entirely,

and at this point, youre either working-poor, homeless, or you or your parents are in tech or working for RBC, etc and you have money to spare and opulence. Thats just an additional slap in the face, basically. The greatest irony is that those at the top are the first to preach about social democracy and socialism, while travelling abroad, jet setting, buying the latest stanley cup, etc.

While those at the bottom know that any sort of government empowerment is just going to fuck them over in the long run, because its done at the behest of the banks, or to give a 250 million dollar contract for a firm of 4 people, or to give money to Pajeets, or to fund businesses that are actively in the process of offshoring, but that the laurentians have massive shares in, etc.

The problem with 'socialism' is that its turned into a kleptocracy here (many such cases), because once you give government money, they just take it and fuck off. The entire time that process is happening, champagne socialists will cheer that on and lecture you about how selfish you are for not wanting to pay taxes, and call you a racist, or extremist, or an American I guess.

I just hope that when the day of the rake comes, the actual working class doesn't forget how said inequality was ineffectually tolerated for so long.

 

[Catler]

CERB was an actual shit show, I can fully acknowledge that and some people who didn't actually do anything wrong were majorly screwed over. If one applied for EI during that time you were automatically enrolled in CERB even if you didn't technically qualify and if you didn't? You ended up owing some amount of it back (I think like 2k?).

That really did screw over some people, especially lower income people like a lot of those who go on EI.

To add onto that it wasn't clear initially who was eligible for CERB, there was a lack of clarity from the government and a lot of misinformation going around. For a short while anyone and everyone was being told to apply if they'd suffered even the most mild of income reduction.

You know Ontario has a sizable rural and small town population as well?

And unless they live in the truly nether regions of northern Ontario they are still far better off than almost everyone east of Quebec. Again, my sympathy is limited for people in live in the richest province in Canada.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Every country has suffered from COVID era policy and the disruptions associated with it and Canada hasn't even been the worst affected within the G7.

Not all countries had Vaccine Passports though and countries like Belarus and Japan didn't lockdown.