Canada is a failed state

[Flan Handler]

TFW programs aren't the problem. The key thing is "temporary".

If all the workers were just working on farms and gone after the summer, I'd honestly be fine with the Cooley system working there.

From the olden days all the way through the Harper government this is exactly how TFWs worked.

Mexicans would get off the plane at the beginning of their 3 or 4 month contract, stay in accommodations on or near the farm, basically just work all summer, then head home for winter with fat stacks since they couldn’t even do much to blow it while they were here.

No one expected to stay, the government would round you up if you missed the flight you were scheduled for, there would be no asylum claims or refugees.

Teenagers don’t want these jobs, this actually worked pretty great. I would accept going back to this.

 

[y a t s]

Shifted to the right as in they're just another neoliberal party. They used to be a workers party many moons ago and my grandfather always supported them until he died in the 2000's. He worked at general electric until the 80's and back then according to him, workers mattered. This was long before the era of mass replacement and when people could make an income (even a family supporting income) with a job in a factory.

The NDP is not a workers party. They're in no man's land now. You can't do nothing for affordability issues, weaken labour laws etc. and expect to score with average people hoping for an end to displacement by foreigners and inflation.

'Rainbows' and immigration are dual sentiments shared by the liberals so once again. NDP is redundant.

The NDP has been completely directionless since they lost Jack Layton. Now, they only serve to dilute the vote.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

All the people who have the ability to leave the country already did, now it's just those who can't.

Probably condemned to be in an encampment in a 15 minute city.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The NDP shifted to the right. Ignore the rainbows. They are not a workers party and no longer have a single reason to exist. The NDP many years ago was supposed to look out for joe working man. Once again, they have no reason to exist. The liberals also pretend to care about LGBT people and immigrants (Diversity).

In my opinion, the greatest division now isn't really left versus right,

its more luxury beliefs versus practicality.

Theres a lot I disagree with and agree with people in this forum on. I came from the left on the socialists side. Used to volunteer with a food kitchen for several years. I have a very specific view of reality and what its like to be on the bottom. Never been an NDP fan because I never saw what they were like in the 80s and I can still remember them being gay race communists in the 2000s, but I will say that they were more labour friendly then, and less gay as well I guess.

The issue is one of language, its one of reality- its the fact that both sides of the spectrum often come together when they realize that its people with luxury beliefs who have basically destroyed this nation, regardless of where they lie on the spectrum.

Maybe you could say that its the rich versus the poor, but its not quite that simple truly. There are many poor people with luxury beliefs, many middle class people [especially students] with luxury beliefs, and there are even some rich people who have the opposite- beliefs grounded in practicality and reality [possibly Trump if were stretching things].

We may disagree on the approach to solve problems, but at least those grounded in practical reality can recognize them for what they are.

Things like defunding the police is a luxury belief where people who dont live in ghettos will never have to face the consequences of their actions.

Diversity is our strength! Import the third world! was a luxury belief, till it was not.

Legalizing all the drugs or depolicing drug crimes is a luxury belief.

Shutting down the country will have minimal effects on the economy is a luxury belief that liberals didnt have to face, but small businesses did, for example.

While I think growing the pie so everyone gets a bigger share of it is better than dividing a pie, 'voodoo economics' or trickle down is a conservative luxury belief. The people in big cities in the conservative party didn't have to really face the effects of small towns dying off when jobs were shipped to Mexico or China. Even the conservative party has shifted from mom and pop' type economics to neoliberalism, and I don't think left or right wing is the best way to describe this phenomena. When is Ford Canada boasting record profits from offshoring going to benefit rust belt Ontario, for example? Still waiting for that trickle down.

Its why I think that the issue with Canada isn't even necessarily that parties have shifted right or left, honestly- I think its just the fact that so many people and politicians are completely deluded at this point, and luxury beliefs have taken over most of the parties due to the technocratic/managerial class being completely divorced from reality on the ground.

When pushed on failed luxury beliefs, they either memoryhole them or double down on supporting them and demonizing critics, and whereas in the past you'd sack people with these beliefs, well- they meant well so we should just give these politicians another chance, right?

90% of policies arent based in practicality anymore- or they just completely ignore how badly they fuck over the poor, or both. Faith in an almighty gay progressive slant to history or economic libertarianism cause problems that the thintelligent rich will never have to face themselves. Its why you can see someone voting for the NDP for a practical solution in housing (rent control), regardless of their other views. Everything is all just abstract and gay and half the things are culture war issues now, or just a naked cash grab

 

[Sqwe-wi_Farmer]

The Maintenance team at my place of work was laid off and replaced with Temporary Foriegn workers. Known those dudes 20+ years now some street shiting Pajeets are working here and don't speak a word of English.

 

[Flan Handler]

Well well well.


Allegedly the end of the coalition. I will get excited when we get a no -confidence vote but if we don’t have to wait a year for an election that would be great.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

Everything is all just abstract and gay and half the things are culture war issues now, or just a naked cash grab

Part of it is a general sense of ennui in Canadian society that has been pervasive for at least two decades. For all the talk of hope and change, Canada is astonishingly resistant to any meaningful reform because the country is highly dysfunctional once you peel back the facad. I hypothesize that is one reason why much of the populace embraced luxury beliefs. Poilievre could very well win a commanding majority in 2025, but Trudeau is stacking the Senate with Liberal donors and bootlickers to make passing any CPC legislative agenda nigh impossible. The Supreme Court of Canada made it clear that it would take a constitutional amendment to make Senate reform possible, but the failures of the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords show how contentious the process can be. Continuous political deadlock will only damage trust in the nation's institutions where it is conceivable that provinces will simply say "fuck this" and leave confederation.

Of course, a plurality of Canadians (mostly LPC and NDP voters) who sit at the centre of this conflagration and tell us that, "this is fine."

Okay, Jughead. Pull the plug and call for a non-confidence motion. Quit yanking our chains while licking Justin's balls.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

This might be completely anecdotal, and an attempt is being made to not PL too much, but - so, my own Wage Slavery up here in Canuckistan contracts out our Delivery Service through Doordash, meaning it’s all ‘Jeets all the time. In the last few months, we’ve noticed a falloff in drivers - it’s now the same like, 5 Drivers now, compared to almost 30 a few months back, and only one has a harsh East Indian accent (that he’s also likely the youngest driver means probably new to the country). The rest are actually understandable, actually show up for shit they’re supposed to pick up, and don’t steal the orders.

I’m morbidly curious how much of that falloff is the various ‘Jeets realizing that Door Dash pays fuck all even with them living 20 to a house, and how much is that DoorDash doesn’t qualify them for PR and Visa’s are starting to expire?

Okay, Jughead. Pull the plug and call for a non-confidence motion. Quit yanking our chains while licking Justin's balls.

I think Singh sees the writing on the wall that Trudy’s fucked, but I don’t think he see’s the bit underneath it that he’s ALSO fucked due to being Trudy’s puppet keeping him in power these last few years.

By Leafland Politician standards, that still probably makes him one of the smarter people in the room, but considering I’m convinced there’s something in the water in Ottawa making them all retarded that’s a very low bar to clear…

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

From the olden days all the way through the Harper government this is exactly how TFWs worked.

Mexicans would get off the plane at the beginning of their 3 or 4 month contract, stay in accommodations on or near the farm, basically just work all summer, then head home for winter with fat stacks since they couldn’t even do much to blow it while they were here.

No one expected to stay, the government would round you up if you missed the flight you were scheduled for, there would be no asylum claims or refugees.

Teenagers don’t want these jobs, this actually worked pretty great. I would accept going back to this.

Leamington Ontario is prime example of this with all the Mexicans working in the greenhouses growing the Tomatoes for Heinz (now a French's Ketchup factory)

Everyone would know to avoid doing Grocery shopping on Fridays as that was when all the Mexicans would leer at people outside the Supermarket.

 

[jje100010001]

An alternation from this is taking medicine which makes the blood toxic to the parasites, which eventually starve to death or die of poisoning, likely the latter.

An interesting thing I read is that during the multi-century collapse of Rome, the ethnic composition of the city itself actually became more Italic as the masses of immigrants from across the Empire fled or died during the calamity and were replaced by countrydwellers moving into the city.

While I doubt that's coming to Canada, one look at the Lebanese who keep Canadian passports of convenience (who end up needing to be fished out of Lebanon by the Canadian embassy on a regular basis whenever Hezbollah butts heads with Israel) and it's clear that low-integration immigrants will flee back into their original countries when crap hits the fan or if the going gets tough.

Heck, I would imagine that with a few decades of stagnation and other countries catching up, the levels of out-migration may exceed those of immigration.

Continuous political deadlock will only damage trust in the nation's institutions where it is conceivable that provinces will simply say "fuck this" and leave confederation.

Of course, a plurality of Canadians (mostly LPC and NDP voters) who sit at the centre of this conflagration and tell us that, "this is fine."

I would extend that to provinces as well, nearly all of them are actually quite habituated to this shabby arrangement, and it makes sense once you consider provinces as part of the same cartelization process afflicting Canada (one should wonder why interprovincial trade laws are still so antiquated or why equalization is still around).

I personally doubt even Quebec will leave as they get to sit on their high horse and whine about language laws while mooching off a continent-wide pot of money, instead of toughing it out on their own. Ironically though I think that Trudeau's major screw-up on immigration is the biggest catalyst to Quebec independence- but even then, the business communities are all united into their desire to suppress wages.

 

[Atypical Dog]

Its why I think that the issue with Canada isn't even necessarily that parties have shifted right or left, honestly- I think its just the fact that so many people and politicians are completely deluded at this point, and luxury beliefs have taken over most of the parties due to the technocratic/managerial class being completely divorced from reality on the ground.

When pushed on failed luxury beliefs, they either memoryhole them or double down on supporting them and demonizing critics, and whereas in the past you'd sack people with these beliefs, well- they meant well so we should just give these politicians another chance, right?

90% of policies arent based in practicality anymore- or they just completely ignore how badly they fuck over the poor, or both. Faith in an almighty gay progressive slant to history or economic libertarianism cause problems that the thintelligent rich will never have to face themselves. Its why you can see someone voting for the NDP for a practical solution in housing (rent control), regardless of their other views. Everything is all just abstract and gay and half the things are culture war issues now, or just a naked cash grab

We've seen increasing "polarization" in recent years, often chalked up to people getting more intolerant and angry, but I think this is a far better read. People just don't think the same anymore - there's nothing tying us together, no beliefs or ideas shared among the people, and we're still expected to live together. All the fantasizing over civil wars or national divorce really comes down to some people wanting to keep up with the Joneses in their charity giving (DEI programs), home renovations (mass transit) and work-life balance (minimum wage and workers' compensation) while others are looking at the growing credit card balances (national and personal debts), stagnant paychecks (wages and profits) and the bills that eat more of that paycheck (inflation et al). Insert your own home-to-nation analogies here.

Irreconcilable differences writ-large.

The Maintenance team at my place of work was laid off and replaced with Temporary Foriegn workers. Known those dudes 20+ years now some street shiting Pajeets are working here and don't speak a word of English.

Honestly if I have a long-time maintenance team in some function that I don't want to think about? Those are the last people I want to replace. Now I have to think about that stuff all over again.

While I doubt that's coming to Canada, one look at the Lebanese who keep Canadian passports of convenience (who end up needing to be fished out of Lebanon by the Canadian embassy on a regular basis whenever Hezbollah butts heads with Israel) and it's clear that low-integration immigrants will flee back into their original countries when crap hits the fan or if the going gets tough.

Heck, I would imagine that with a few decades of stagnation and other countries catching up, the levels of out-migration may exceed those of immigration.

I could definitely see this happening. The whole point was to make money and either live there or send the money home for family and kids back home to retire to.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

A do know a lot of people are thinking if Pierre Poilievre were to be elected, he would fix Canada. But it's seriously doubt that. At best, he'll slow the decline of Canada, at worst, He would usher in some sort of Digital ID hellhole. Other people think Maxime Bernier would be the better candidate as he appears to be the only candidate who cares, but I don't trust him either. They shouldn't act surprised if a lot of lower end candidates only use their platform to exploit others for their financial gain.

 

[Betonhaus]

Well well well.
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Allegedly the end of the coalition. I will get excited when we get a no -confidence vote but if we don’t have to wait a year for an election that would be great.

I can only pray that a snap election is called.

 

[King Metalia]

Well well well.
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Allegedly the end of the coalition. I will get excited when we get a no -confidence vote but if we don’t have to wait a year for an election that would be great.

I'm convinced the Liberals have some dirt on Singh and whatever it is must be pretty damaging information. Singh is basically Trudeau's bitch at this point.

 

[OutInTheRain]

We've seen increasing "polarization" in recent years, often chalked up to people getting more intolerant and angry, but I think this is a far better read. People just don't think the same anymore - there's nothing tying us together, no beliefs or ideas shared among the people, and we're still expected to live together.

The divide is between the state and it's supporters(Urban Liberal types) and the nation and it's supporters (everyone else). The Liberal party has been at war with the National identity for 60 plus years. As the state attacks the national identity, a new one forms. We have seen some of this with worship of the state as it's central tenet. However, we are also seeing regional national identities form. Quebec has long been the most prominent, but you see it in Alberta as well.

What most people don't realize is that the state is not the nation, and a strong nation will out live the failure of the state. A nation fails, and it fails hard, with nothing to bind the nation together, then new nations form as the old one fragments. I think we are in for a wild ride over the next twenty or so years.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I'm convinced the Liberals have some dirt on Singh and whatever it is must be pretty damaging information. Singh is basically Trudeau's bitch at this point.

They don't need dirt on Singh when the only reason Singh is holding out is to get his Gold plated government pension.

Hopefully some Hindu Nationalist / Modi agent takes out Singh like they did with that Sikh terrorist in Calgary.

 

[Never Scored]

A do know a lot of people are thinking if Pierre Poilievre were to be elected, he would fix Canada. But it's seriously doubt that. At best, he'll slow the decline of Canada, at worst, He would usher in some sort of Digital ID hellhole. Other people think Maxime Bernier would be the better candidate as he appears to be the only candidate who cares, but I don't trust him either. They shouldn't act surprised if a lot of lower end candidates only use their platform to exploit others for their financial gain.

The Federal Liberals and Conservatives are horrible in different ways. They're both in big corporates back pocket, so the mass immigration is not going to stop. The Liberals are more into nanny state government overreach, doing things like policing speech, introducing over the top safety/environmental regulations and banning guns while the Conservatives are more into moral fagging overreach, doing things like enforcing copyright, cracking down on drugs and Hellen Lovejoy "Think of the children!" type of shit. No matter which one of them gets in, they're not going to just fuck off and leave you alone nor put the common man first. Sorry if this is a bit of a black pill.

 

[y a t s]

Hopefully some Hindu Nationalist / Modi agent takes out Singh like they did with that Sikh terrorist in Calgary.

It's the least the Indian government could do after dumping their worst and dimmest citizens on us lol.

In all seriousness, Puhjeet Singh is a brown simpleton; he doesn't work hard to hide his greedy motivations. In political terms, he's safe because he's rather ineffectual. A few years ago, I used to live in the area of Burnaby that he represents, and it was already falling apart back then. I shudder to think of what WEF sociopath could hypothetically take his place and ride the wave of flimsy promises of government handouts at a time when the average Joe is getting fucked from every angle. On that note, where's that voting reform, Justin?

Side note: Does Modi's name always remind anyone here of anti-diarrhea medication, or is it just me?

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The Federal Liberals and Conservatives are horrible in different ways. They're both in big corporates back pocket, so the mass immigration is not going to stop. The Liberals are more into nanny state government overreach, doing things like policing speech, introducing over the top safety/environmental regulations and banning guns while the Conservatives are more into moral fagging overreach, doing things like enforcing copyright, cracking down on drugs and Hellen Lovejoy "Think of the children!" type of shit. No matter which one of them gets in, they're not going to just fuck off and leave you alone nor put the common man first. Sorry if this is a bit of a black pill.

Its more simple than this.
Poilievre: "We want future migration to be tied to building new houses, if we build 250,000 new houses in a year, it will be that"
>Great, what about the 3 million people who have come in over the past 6 years, also don't we have a housing shortfall of like, millions of homes already?"
Poilievre: 250k more per year!


I wish I could exaggerate, but its literally 500 million new permanent residents admitted (not including TFWs, though they become next years PRs) every year since covid.

That's the black pill.

I'm saying this as someone who will take what they can get, and 250k is better than 500k, but like, would you rather eat a 1kg shit sandwich, or a 500g shit sandwich? This is the state of Canadian politics today with street shitters.

Either way, I wish that the greatest of our worries were the Helen Lovejoy type people or cracking down on drugs, lord that would be wonderful, to go back to 2008. I'm not saying either is good, but lel- imagine if that was the biggest problem we have

In other news: trying to get in on the memes early for our almost certain next Prime Minister, anyone want to do one for him here? With the NDP ceasing to back the liberals, maybe well have a snap election earlier than a year from now- but either way, I won't be happy unless the NDP are dragged down kicking and screaming with the liberals because of the policies they were happy to sign off on as well.

"Won't you please just think of our hardworking Sikh friends in southern Ontario? $1400 dollars inflation adjusted* could cover one of their rents in a one bedroom apartment for a month"

 

[y a t s]

In other news: trying to get in on the memes early for our almost certain next Prime Minister, anyone want to do one for him here?

Here ya go. Did this in between key frames for work, so it's a bit rushed compared to some of my others.

Have fun