Canada is a failed state

Totallyunknown said:
If Trudeau keeps hard headed through this and refuses resignation, it will be the biggest mistake of his life by far. I think he might make a bitter resignation of "well it seems you've lost confidence in me even though x y z but I care about Canadians so I'll step down"
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And thus, he resigns as I predicted.

He wants to spin this as "internal battles" as in he still feels confident in himself and thinks he did a great job but everyone else has lost confidence in him so THEY have prorogued parliament because THEY would not vote on the things he would want to pass. So he will politely step aside to allow them to elect a new party leader to save the Liberal party.

He regrets not actually changing the electoral system like they ran on in 2015 but didn't because THEY didn't vote with him.

He is super proud of losing the court battle that made us pay 20 billion to natives.

Chrystia is a bitch for not taking the position he offered during "a very important political time" as he really wanted her to choose to continue to be deputy prime minister but she chose not to do that for the country for private reasons he won't speak on.

He thinks Pierre is shit and doesn't have Canadian values as the "hard right" thinks small and is not ambitious on the world stage but there's definitely a Liberal leader who can beat him.

He won't call an election right now even though he is doing it for the political good of the Liberal party because "people need to calm down" and look at "working for the country again". By March, the polarization will die down from this reset because he is grounding them for acting like insolent children by creating chaotic situations in parliament but also removing himself because they hate him.

My thoughts on the resignation:

The normies are not going to take this well. There is a population of people who have some respect for the democratic process and "moral fairness" or "even playing grounds" or even just a respect that politics are sort of seperate from actual government to some degree.

But there is a larger population on both sides of the spectrum who just watched a man resign as leader of a country but then put Parliament on hold so his party can elect a new candidate. He is allowing a longer time frame than the election he called to re-elect himself for his party to fuck around and find a new guy as the entire country waits for an inevitable election while Donald Trump, the next President in 14 days, is on Twitter making threats and jokes about the country.

He just sank the Liberal party completely. No one should want to take that job at this point. It is a guarantee loss, no matter who it is. There is actually not a single person who could beat PP right now even though a good 25% of his potential voters don't actually like him or trust him. There is no one who did anything to make themselves be known to the vast majority except PP. They have no Bernie Sanders to pull out. They super absolutely cannot run Chrystia as that's literally a repeat of Kamala. Her only chance at success is four years from now. If there is a rogue Liberal who has enough wealth to weather an attempt to go completely against a lot of the parties current day values, now is the time to step up. But there is not because the party is full of retards who all blew smoke up Justin's ass until the very last moment when they realized he was taking the ship down with him.

Since nothing actually happens in this country, I assume we will be forced into this dog and pony show with the Liberals until the spring unless Trump does something that cannot be ignored. I appreciate that wildcard in our political process as the citizens are not made for revolutionary proceedings. It's more like when someone is in a state of panic and they need a slap across the face to wake up and realize this shit is real. Even though it will hurt in the short term, it's probably something that needs to be done because the whole send Parliament to the corner for a time out while the adults organize themselves is not the play to start 2025 with.
 
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So in a big middle finger, Trudeau left the nation leaderless and without even a parliament, at one of the moments in its greatest political peril with the Trump tariffs.

And we wont have any chance of an election for months, so the liberals are effectively still in power till they inevitably lose, just trying to delay that day further

Fuck this man.
 
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How is proroguing the parliament instead of immediately holding a general election even allowed? The country has no leader, the cabinet is more or less absent, and what, the ruling party gets even more time to reorganize themselves instead of immediately facing the music? Even as a theoretical governor-general power, that shit is absurd.
 
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Totallyunknown said:
No one should want to take that job at this point. It is a guarantee loss, no matter who it is.
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Kim Campbell turned a similar situation into a money maker as a public speaker with the title "former Canadian Prime Minister."

That will be tempting for some slimeball or another.
Kane Lives said:
How is proroguing the parliament instead of immediately holding a general election even allowed? The country has no leader, the cabinet is more or less absent, and what, the ruling party gets even more time to reorganize themselves instead of immediately facing the music? Even as a theoretical governor-general power, that shit is absurd.
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It is too long but arguably better than letting the HoC sit with no real mandate to continue passing bills.
 
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Kane Lives said:
How is proroguing the parliament instead of immediately holding a general election even allowed? The country has no leader, the cabinet is more or less absent, and what, the ruling party gets even more time to reorganize themselves instead of immediately facing the music? Even as a theoretical governor-general power, that shit is absurd.
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Simple. The founders of these systems never intended participants to act in an objectively subversive manner. So there is no mechanism for recourse to deal with it.

In the US an example of this would be to knowingly file invalid executive orders because you know the order will be upheld for a year or more until the courts eventually examine it and find it invalid. Which you knew from day one.

Something Biden and Obama heavily favored during their time in office.
 
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If the other three party leaders form a coalition for one day. To end the prorogation of parliament and then call an election immediately is probably the best course of action. However, I doubt Jagmeet will go for it.
 
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DiscoRodeo said:
So in a big middle finger, Trudeau left the nation leaderless and without even a parliament, at one of the moments in its greatest political peril with the Trump tariffs.

And we wont have any chance of an election for months, so the liberals are effectively still in power till they inevitably lose, just trying to delay that day further

Fuck this man.
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A failed state functioning like a failed state.
 
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Do you guys remember in 2008 when Harper prorogued parliament for a whopping month (over the holidays) to prevent getting voted out of office (by a tenuous coalition with the still separatist Bloc) and everyone on the left were screeeeeeeaching at the top of their lungs for weeks? (until the Liberal party fell into disarray and performed an oil-swap of a leader change)

I dunno how they get away with the hypocrisy.
 
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Baraka Obama said:
Do you guys remember in 2008 when Harper prorogued parliament for a whopping month (over the holidays) to prevent getting voted out of office (by a tenuous coalition with the still separatist Bloc) and everyone on the left were screeeeeeeaching at the top of their lungs for weeks? (until the Liberal party fell into disarray and performed an oil-swap of a leader change)

I dunno how they get away with the hypocrisy.
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Harper was getting voted out from a coalition of parties - not for the election. It's a different situation for different purpose.

This prorogued parliament is stalling a non confidence vote in order to get organized before election despite MAJORITY demanding an election. This is fucking shameless as fuck.
 
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HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS said:
Harper was getting voted out from a coalition of parties - not for the election. It's a different situation for different purpose.

This prorogued parliament is stalling a non confidence vote in order to get organized before election despite MAJORITY demanding an election. This is fucking shameless as fuck.
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Bro how do you think an opposition coalition gets into power???

First they vote no-confidence, then they hope the GG asks them to form government. Only works if there was a recent election, but even then if the PM suggests a new election the GG is supposed to just do whatever the PM says.
 
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Baraka Obama said:
Bro how do you think an opposition coalition gets into power???

First they vote no-confidence, then they hope the GG asks them to form government. Only works if there was a recent election, but even then if the PM suggests a new election the GG is supposed to just do whatever the PM says.
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Coalition could have triggered an election but decided to just collapse the government and take over. No election. That sounds like corruption to me.
 
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