Canada is a failed state

You guys realize, Trump is probably overreaching with making Canada the 51st state, and Greenland- because he wants to form an EU like organization of American states, right?

Honestly, when it comes to something like that- you keep your nation, America gets resources, the 8 million Indians can disperse (much bigger population that they can hopefully be absorbed into easier) and move to California or somewhere else, Elon gets his Indians, and anyone can apply for jobs in the US and Canada.

Does it not seem like a win-win?
We already have that. With NAFTA/CUMFTA resources, flow freely, and high skill workers can work in the US and live in the US without any real problems. Before 911 our barely existent border you didn't even need a passport to cross it just show your drivers license.

They could apply something like NORAD to extend a common border, outward and common military framework without having to rewrite all of Canada's laws and lose all of our sovereignty.
 
We already have that. With NAFTA/CUMFTA resources, flow freely, and high skill workers can work in the US and live in the US without any real problems. Before 911 our barely existent border you didn't even need a passport to cross it just show your drivers license.

They could apply something like NORAD to extend a common border, outward and common military framework without having to rewrite all of Canada's laws and lose all of our sovereignty.
We don't have that. An American or Canadian can't work in the US or Canada freely, or half this threads people would already be south. We have free trade to a degree, but nothing like the EU

You do have barriers to American companies operating in Canada, and as of now, the only reason to really defend the separation of Canada's economy is to protect the five families that basically rule over it from competing with the US market, honestly.
 
We don't have that. An American or Canadian can't work in the US or Canada freely, or half this threads people would already be south. We have free trade to a degree, but nothing like the EU
You do know that whole of EU is smaller than america
 
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Poilievre isn't Trudeau, and maybe he'll actually try to control the deficit and get that under control. However, he's shown he's down to load the country with Jeets and keep wages as low as possible. He's shown no real interest in dealing with the largest lobbies in the country and stepping on the necks of the grocers, the dairy and the telecoms. He's said he's interested in addressing crime, but offered no real details on how. About the only thing I can say for him that I'm sure of is he won't shove shit down our throats while telling us we're loathsome racists for complaining about it, but beyond that?

I just don't know. I listened to Rempel-Garner talk about how they're going to do some things to make building houses cheaper, but she said nothing about trying to find ways to increase the number of builds themselves. I doubt they'll really limit the number of indentured slaves coming in because that wouldn't make their paymasters happy.

We all know the voters aren't their bosses, not really. Are we voting PP in, or the Virtue-Signaler out? I think we're voting Trudeau out.
 
You do know that whole of EU is smaller than america
Aye, I do.

I don't see any other way out of this mess for Canada though, do you?

Let's say that we do form a north American union?

Greenland has massive oil and mineral resource wealth, but lacks the resources to develop extraction for most of this and would require massive investment. In comes the US.

Canada has similar issues, with more resources, but suppose we open up the market to American investment, capital, and mining and timber companies?

LA has forest fires and timber is super expensive? American investment brings boom to the timber industry north of border, it needs up our own mining, oil, etc

It ends the monopoly of the five companies we have controlling basically the entire economy- imagine if bell-rogers were gone overnight because the trade barriers were gone and now you can choose an American provider.

People who want to leave can leave, the Indians certainly would- they're only here as an "economic zone" anyways. The ones who aren't here legally can get nabbed by ICE,

Like I legit fail to see the downside to any of this unless you're a liberal
 
I don't see any other way out of this mess for Canada though, do you?
Canada is broke and has already sold everything to chinese and others.
There's nothing worth there, oil is gone, minerals too.
It's better it gets annexed like this other than collapse into itself. It is just trading one oligarchs for another.
 
You guys realize, Trump is probably overreaching with making Canada the 51st state, and Greenland- because he wants to form an EU like organization of American states, right?

Honestly, when it comes to something like that- you keep your nation, America gets resources, the 8 million Indians can disperse (much bigger population that they can hopefully be absorbed into easier) and move to California or somewhere else, Elon gets his Indians, and anyone can apply for jobs in the US and Canada.

Does it not seem like a win-win?
My personal theory is that Greenland will be used as a dumping ground for all the Fifth World colonizers that are currently running buckwild in the US (and for that matter, Canada). Trump knows that no country is going to accept back the detritus (Why would they? This “democracy-loving western countries for everyone” thing is a way for the rest of the world to get rid of criminals, the mentally ill, extreme poverty cases, and other anti-socials, as Mexico, India etc demonstrates), so Greenland will have to make do for now.
 
There's nothing worth there, oil is gone, minerals too.
Well, this is news.

I’ll let the boys in Fort Mac know, they can throw a few spadefuls of dirt over those 300 billion barrels of oil and call it a day.

Will also got back to canoeing on the worlds largest supply of worthless fresh water.

Edit: for reals though, we are going to be stealth annexed by Asia or overtly by America. I’ve been wondering for years if USA was paying attention to the terror threat from, well everywhere, and the Chinese buying out everything from the politicians down. I would rather be colonized by neighbours who are much like us rather than the hellhole Chinese colony Vancouver turned into.

The idea that if America leaves us alone so will the rest of the world? Lol, lmao etc
 
My personal theory is that Greenland will be used as a dumping ground for all the Fifth World colonizers that are currently running buckwild in the US (and for that matter, Canada). Trump knows that no country is going to accept back the detritus (Why would they? This “democracy-loving western countries for everyone” thing is a way for the rest of the world to get rid of criminals, the mentally ill, extreme poverty cases, and other anti-socials, as Mexico, India etc demonstrates), so Greenland will have to make do for now.
Every prior time in history that mass demographic shifts were perpetuated by force it results in either re-emigration back to the place the populations came from or genocide. It's the liberal delusion that the nature of humanity and reality itself have changed because of some end-of-history narrative.
 
LMAO this backbencher jeet is the first to toss his head rag in the ring, gets bodied by the CBC of all things:
Notes:
  1. Barely speaks garbled English, does not speak French and says Quebec doesn’t care as long as he can “deliver”.
  2. When asked why he’s announcing before rules are out, and if he’s ok paying $350k to $500k to register- claims he doesn’t care what the price is, he can pay. (WTF India at least try to make your interference slightly more believable).
  3. Asked why he’s running when he was just supporting Freeland a few minutes ago, mumbled something about Canada having real problems and he has solutions.
These are the vaunted Indian politicians the kids are clamouring for, huh? I hope these Indians understand how much more racist Canadians are now lol.

The CBC is snickering at him, this is going to be great.

Edit: I never thought about how Quebec’s language autism may help fend off the jeets at the national level for a while. Nice.
 
They could apply something like NORAD to extend a common border, outward and common military framework without having to rewrite all of Canada's laws and lose all of our sovereignty.
NORAD effectively does that as is. It is a bi-national agreement for the defense of North America. In the case of a war scenario, all commands including the CAF are subordinate to NORTHCOM with regards to homeland defense. With a lot of the security frameworks we have like 5 Eyes, we are very beholden to how America does things security wise and militarily.
 
I’ll let the boys in Fort Mac know, they can throw a few spadefuls of dirt over those 300 billion barrels of oil and call it a day.
You are the venesuela of the land continent.

Oil shale is useless, esp. on Alberta. it's all bitumen, garbage. Only thing you can do with it is make asphalt.


NORAD effectively does that as is. It is a bi-national agreement for the defense of North America. In the case of a war scenario, all commands including the CAF are subordinate to NORTHCOM with regards to homeland defense. With a lot of the security frameworks we have like 5 Eyes, we are very beholden to how America does things security wise and militarily.
Old and done. Us has Ca invasion plans for 100 years now
 
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We already have that. With NAFTA/CUMFTA resources, flow freely, and high skill workers can work in the US and live in the US without any real problems. Before 911 our barely existent border you didn't even need a passport to cross it just show your drivers license.

They could apply something like NORAD to extend a common border, outward and common military framework without having to rewrite all of Canada's laws and lose all of our sovereignty.
It's still a bitch for middle class Canadians to get jobs in the states unless you are a female nurse living in Windsor and working in the Detroit Metro area. Or Niagara and Buffalo.
 
This YouTuber subscribed to Daily Wire to get the paywalled part of the Peterson/Pollievre interview, where he talks about Trump and how he will deal with him.

Before he gets to that though, he goes through a bunch of clips of our current crop of retards shittalking the incoming President DJT. And these are recent, so they have no excuses. So embarrassing.


Highlights:
  • PP acknowledges Trump is clearly a skilled negotiator and a successful person, having forged a real estate empire in one of the toughest environments, NYC.
  • Trump is clearly in favour of America’s interests, as he should be. He likes making deals and is fine with both sides of the deal getting what they want if he gets what he wants.
  • PP thinks Trump is trolling us because we are so weak. PP points out how USA isn’t actually losing money to Canada, we step on our own dicks by not building pipelines so we have to sell to USA at 30% discount. USA also gets the good refinery and value-added jobs. Because we are dumb.
  • We are going to get Keystone done asap, Canada will use that money to open some LNG ports, since right now USA basically takes our cheap captive LNG and loads it onto ships and sends it to Europe for insane profit since we refuse to do so.
  • Canada needs to fund the military, fix the border and look after the arctic, in consultation with USA. Trump is (correctly) more concerned about our shitty security situation than the economics which actually favours them. Fix that and Trump won’t need to troll us.
These are the most sane words I’ve heard from a federal Canadian politician in a decade. He’s going to let me down in so many ways but if he can do this…. It’s going to help a lot.
 
NORAD effectively does that as is. It is a bi-national agreement for the defense of North America. In the case of a war scenario, all commands including the CAF are subordinate to NORTHCOM with regards to homeland defense. With a lot of the security frameworks we have like 5 Eyes, we are very beholden to how America does things security wise and militarily.
It depends on if Canada deems something a threat or not.

The CCP is literally influencing our politicians and weve had numerous scandals where they outright bribe them. Unironically, I trust the Americans to defend Canada more than our own politicians at this point.

Whats to happen when someone starts cruising boats around artic waters and some Canadian politician deems its not a threat or to stand down?

It's still a bitch for middle class Canadians to get jobs in the states unless you are a female nurse living in Windsor and working in the Detroit Metro area. Or Niagara and Buffalo.

Near impossible, with H1Bs going to India mostly, that path is drying up frankly.

Like I get the whole Canadian nationalism thing, but this is basically a failed state we are talking about. Whatever your argument is:

We've been through this in the thread. Our politicians are bought out by foreign nationals already. Our natural resources are being bought out by China. Our cities are being flooded with Indians. Our national identity is being erased by liberals who talk about being post-national and how racist we used to be (until its time for American expansionism, then suddenly its nationalist talk to get all the white people to fight for Canada, apparently?), we're ruled by the same five oligarchic families, euthanasia is the 12th leading cause of death here, drugs are legalized and everyones dying of them now, middle class people are going poor now and even homeless while we're spending hundreds of millions on random LGBT stuff in Europe (seriously, remember that report from a few weeks back?).

Even the arguments of 'well at least we have healthcare' don't carry water anymore. Our healthcare is shit, you have to wait a year + for a cancer screening, and at the end of it a doctor is going to tell you to either wait some more or just kill yourself, unironically.

Whatever the argument is, there honestly isn't one against an EU like situation with the US. There's only really benefits for Canadians.

Unless youre a liberal, unless youre some woketard, unless youre a native wanting gibs from the government, or unless youre Loblaws.

I'm not dying with the reddit atheists who were cheering on gun grabs a few weeks ago, who cheered on Trudeau when he used a war act to clamp down on peaceful protestors a la truckers. Im not dying for Sobeys or Loblaws so they can continue their monopoly.

Theres pride to be had in Canada and Canadiana, but you have to remember- its the culture, its the land, and its the heritage.

I'm not one as recalcitrant as Trudeau to define it on CNN (American media) as "not American". I'm proud of my heritage, proud of the way my ancestors lived literally off the land. I take pride in seeing the land they tamed every time I'm in the shield. I love the folklore, tall tales, people with family names who go back generations. Gazing out at the lakes for shipwrecks lost. To be Canadian is to be cautious, to be courteous (until pushed) and to have some sense of entrepreneurship and toughness amid a literal rugged frozen tundra and boreal forest of a land among other things.

If joining a north american union can take that away, what say you to the opposite? How strong is it when you have 8 million Indians pounding at your door at the behest of every single party, keeping your wages low, eroding your culture, actually threatening your sense of safety- while people cheer it on.

If America comes knocking with solutions, I've got a lot more in common with them, and much more of my own national interest survives with the USA. If siding with the US keeps China from buying our natural resources, mass immigration from our border, and can revitalize our economy, I'm in.
 
Near impossible, with H1Bs going to India mostly, that path is drying up frankly.

Like I get the whole Canadian nationalism thing, but this is basically a failed state we are talking about. Whatever your argument is:
I 100% agree with your post. Think you might have replied to the wrong post. I'm one of the guys in this thread who is in favour of formally becoming part of America instead of just being a Junior partner / Vassal state.

The furthest point the Americans got into SW Ontario (from Detroit) during the War of 1812 is only a few KM from my Grandparents farm. I would gladly formally welcome Americans soldiers and militia past that point (the pomp and ceremony)
 
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