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Betonhaus said:
Betonhaus

Culture Post in thread 'Alberta separatists submit thousands of signatures on referendum petition'

Update: Since between the two petitions there are 700,000 signatures (that are presumed to not overlap significantly), We will be holding a combined referendum question, "Should Alberta remain a province of Canada, or should the Government of Alberta commence the legal process required under the Canadian Constitution to hold a binding provincial referendum on whether or not Alberta should separate from Canada?"

This question is Not in compliance with the Clarity act, but if Albertans vote for separation...
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So Alberta will be having the seperation question, but it will not be a Clarity Act compliant question. Honestly this is better as it frees the province to actually openly discuss the process and trade deals of seperation so people can make an informed decision before the actual Clarity Act compliant vote.

Plus this question happens two weeks before the US midterms so it has the highest possible chance of getting a vote to begin the seperation process
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Lol. Lmao. This process is completely in line with Smith :story:

Her intent is to have the voters shoot this down so it shuts up the separatist half of the UCP. If it wins with a majority no vote? She'll slow roll the second binding vote to give time for the fear mongering and second thoughts to win out and tilt opinions back towards rejecting separation. It's basically the strategy Cameron's Cons in the UK in would've followed for Brexit if they understood the strength of the leave vote.

With that said though the nature of the vote could see this backfiring for her; the question as written might actually see a majority in favour of a binding referendum because some progs and NDP smooth brains might figure forcing one will help their cause come next year's election or allow more opportunity to screw with the UCP in the courts. There's a lot of room for shenanigans with this one.
 
Scale Smerch said:
Lol. Lmao. This process is completely in line with Smith :story:

Her intent is to have the voters shoot this down so it shuts up the separatist half of the UCP. If it wins with a majority no vote? She'll slow roll the second binding vote to give time for the fear mongering and second thoughts to win out and tilt opinions back towards rejecting separation. It's basically the strategy Cameron's Cons in the UK in would've followed for Brexit if they understood the strength of the leave vote.

With that said though the nature of the vote could see this backfiring for her; the question as written might actually see a majority in favour of a binding referendum because some progs and NDP smooth brains might figure forcing one will help their cause come next year's election or allow more opportunity to screw with the UCP in the courts. There's a lot of room for shenanigans with this one.
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It's a perfectly logical stance. Separation will be painful no matter what, but the provincial government cant really spell out how painful it will be because they can't investigate it enough to be specific. This way if there is a yes vote they can then start investigating and explain in detail the pros and cons. While I think Alberta will be better off separate I'm not insane, and if the official math shows we would be bankrupt and starving within a year I'll vote no on the actual seperation. But if the math shows that we can pull it off and prosper, that will be enough to sway more voters to say yes to seperation.

Plus, if we can use the threat to force the federal government to demonstrate some consistency and not just implement policies that screw us over economically, that might be even better then leaving.

For me the most important thing is for Albertans to have a democratic vote where they actually matter, followed by having Ottawa back off on the stupid crap that's making all the businesses flee Canada. I still fear we may have no choice but to flee a collapsing Canada and duke it out on our own, and i would like that option available. This pushes back the separation vote to next year, where it'll be more clear if Carney has successfully dealt a fatal wound to Canada's economy or if it can recover.
 
At this point, it's clear that the wording of the referendum is legalistic bullshit. Both sides know it. The remain side will vote no, the pro-Alberta side will vote yes. Everyone knows this.

Which means, in effect, that a unilateral declaration of independence would be justified upon a majority "yes" vote. Not that I expect it to happen.
 
Ookoo Squad said:
At this point, it's clear that the wording of the referendum is legalistic bullshit. Both sides know it. The remain side will vote no, the pro-Alberta side will vote yes. Everyone knows this.

Which means, in effect, that a unilateral declaration of independence would be justified upon a majority "yes" vote. Not that I expect it to happen.
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"Should Alberta remain a province of Canada, or should the Government of Alberta commence the legal process required under the Canadian Constitution to hold a binding provincial referendum on whether or not Alberta should separate from Canada?"
I'm not entirely clear what would be a "yes" or a "no" for this question. it sounds almost like you would only choose "no" if you don't want Alberta to stay part of Canada, AND you don't want them to make any preparations for separation.
 
No if you want to stay as Ottawa's bitch
Yes if you want to start the bureaucratic, multi-year long process of filing paperwork that will be sabotaged and force us to stay anyway.

This cunt doesn't realize that freedom is taken, not begged for from captors. But that goes back to how Canada was formed (worshipping the boots of the British in their mouths)
 
So Alberta is having a vote to decide if they’re gonna have a vote. If they were actually serious about separation they wouodn’t be stalling like this. Canada needs Alberta more than Alberta will ever need Canada. Great to see that absolutely nothing will happen and the Albertan government is as compromised as Ottawa.
 
TwoDollarPeePeePooPoo said:
So Alberta is having a vote to decide if they’re gonna have a vote. If they were actually serious about separation they wouodn’t be stalling like this. Canada needs Alberta more than Alberta will ever need Canada. Great to see that absolutely nothing will happen and the Albertan government is as compromised as Ottawa.
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The actual Seperation petition is held up in appeals. This lets the government prepare for Seperation, and if necessary get the justification to hold a clarity act referendum
 
Hectic Heckler said:
No if you want to stay as Ottawa's bitch
Yes if you want to start the bureaucratic, multi-year long process of filing paperwork that will be sabotaged and force us to stay anyway.

This cunt doesn't realize that freedom is taken, not begged for from captors. But that goes back to how Canada was formed (worshipping the boots of the British in their mouths)
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