Cannabis oils and such

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So I've been reading about entheogens and religion, and noticed a local vape shop sells hash oil (apparently that's legal around here) and gummies and shit, and am contemplating buying some oil so I can "anoint" myself the way Moses and Jesus did, step my mysticism game up a bit.

Anybody have experience with hash oil? Like, does it actually make you high? Will I get Reefer Madness and die? (I'm very square.)
 
Hash oil is concentrated THC, so instead of a strong flower being, say, 25% THC by volume, you're pushing 95%+ (depending on method of extraction). It will absolutely smash your square head in.

Now, if you want to get mystical, go for the edibles. For whatever reason, ingesting the stuff really causes some pretty strong hallucinatory responses, especially in novices. Obviously pace yourself, it might be a good idea to just nibble a corner off of a gummy, acclimate to THC a bit and get a sense of what you're going to feel when you kick it up.

You'll probably fuck up but I'll give you the same warning we've all ignored: wait an hour or more before you decide you're "not feeling it" and do some more. You will absolutely start to feel the first dose five or ten minutes after the second and you'll regret it. New users especially have a hard time even realizing they're stoned so it's really easy to get impatient. It's never fun to accidentally take more than you can handle.

If that happens you'll be fine, the LD50 for THC is ridiculously high. Just drink lots of water and relax.
 
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Tincture is best imo - you can mix it into food or drinks for the same effect as an edible or consume it sublingually. Unlike regular edibles, you can precisely dose it with a dropper or syringe and it takes effect more quickly sublingually (like 10-15 minutes vs an hour+ for edibles)

You're also less likely to hideously overdo it than if you bought actual hash oil.
 
I’m a lightweight and can take one gummy and be good for hours. I forget what the numbers for them are but I strongly suggest you get them. When it comes to pot you don’t have to make the consumption spiritual to have the trip be spiritual.
 
Exhalate Carcinomas said:
Hash oil is concentrated THC, so instead of a strong flower being, say, 25% THC by volume, you're pushing 95%+ (depending on method of extraction). It will absolutely smash your square head in.

Now, if you want to get mystical, go for the edibles. For whatever reason, ingesting the stuff really causes some pretty strong hallucinatory responses, especially in novices. Obviously pace yourself, it might be a good idea to just nibble a corner off of a gummy, acclimate to THC a bit and get a sense of what you're going to feel when you kick it up.

You'll probably fuck up but I'll give you the same warning we've all ignored: wait an hour or more before you decide you're "not feeling it" and do some more. You will absolutely start to feel the first dose five or ten minutes after the second and you'll regret it. New users especially have a hard time even realizing they're stoned so it's really easy to get impatient. It's never fun to accidentally take more than you can handle.

If that happens you'll be fine, the LD50 for THC is ridiculously high. Just drink lots of water and relax.
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The LD50 isn't that high, and can be dangerous when it comes to edibles because of the delay. Still relatively safe vs other drugs though. If you are gonna go that route, pace yourself.
 
libRT said:
The LD50 isn't that high, and can be dangerous when it comes to edibles because of the delay. Still relatively safe vs other drugs though. If you are gonna go that route, pace yourself.
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Source? Here's the info I found
“At present it is estimated that marijuana’s LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.
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Basically impossible to kill yourself with it. You'll pass out long before you can get that much into you.
 
Online stuff often mentions panic attacks and anxiety while smoking. That sounds counterproductive. Is that just kind of rare/something that you get from too much?
 
Yes. I used to make weed candies and concentrates commercially. Hash oil will not kill you. Concentrates vary in.their effects. I'm personally not a fan of distillates. I prefer alcohol and butane extracts. My favourites used to be these 100mg THC capsules you could buy for like $2. I'd eat 5 or 6 of those then take a cbd one about a half hour later. Would sleep like a baby those nights.

Stopped enjoying edibles when I was making them though. We went through various types of concentrates for our edibles. The shatter/bho ones were always the best.
 
Embaby Cumjar said:
If you're going to literally anoint yourself, you would be wasting hash. Try an essential oil mixed with a carrier oil instead.
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What mean?

All I know of anointing is sometimes when I've gone to Pentecostal church (Pentecostalism is like Protestant mysticism, I'm not a believer in it but the way they worship is spiritually intense, it's like a musically-induced trance) they dab the oil - some generic product - on people as that ritual of blessing them, healing them, whatever it is they need the serious prayer for.

I've read ("The Psychedelic History of Mormonism, Magic, and Drugs") that there's a fair bit of evidence that Biblical (Moses in the Tabernacle, Jesus healing the sick) anointing oil could have been a cannabis-based cream.

If I was going to use it I'd just use it however it's intended to and bend the ritual around that. Essential oils may be worthwhile, I don't believe in woo but interest in folk culture and distrust of the pharmaceutical industry is having me interested in getting into herbal medicine (American Indian, Appalachian especially).
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
What mean?

All I know of anointing is sometimes when I've gone to Pentecostal church (Pentecostalism is like Protestant mysticism, I'm not a believer in it but the way they worship is spiritually intense, it's like a musically-induced trance) they dab the oil - some generic product - on people as that ritual of blessing them, healing them, whatever it is they need the serious prayer for.

I've read ("The Psychedelic History of Mormonism, Magic, and Drugs") that there's a fair bit of evidence that Biblical (Moses in the Tabernacle, Jesus healing the sick) anointing oil could have been a cannabis-based cream.

If I was going to use it I'd just use it however it's intended to and bend the ritual around that. Essential oils may be worthwhile, I don't believe in woo but interest in folk culture and distrust of the pharmaceutical industry is having me interested in getting into herbal medicine (American Indian, Appalachian especially).
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I wasn't sure if you meant anoint as in applying something topically or if you meant it in some metaphorical sense. Essential oils aren't exactly woo. They can have biological effects, unlike homeopathic remedies which are made by diluting the shit out of it bc they believe their magical woo woo means the dilution strengthens it.
I know some EOs have been found helpful in psoriasis like oregon grape and are proven more effective than placebo. Tea tree oil is a proven anti-microbial. Rosemary can help with hair regrowth.
The woo comes when they claim they are panaceas, have no side effects and encourage ingesting them which is toxic and you should never, ever do. "Carrier oil" means a neutral oil to mix with the EO because they are highly concreted plant oils and can be highly irritating.
There's lots of CBD and other cannabis creams now, I would recommend them. They probably have an anti-inflammatory/antioxidant effect but don't make you high.
 
Embaby Cumjar said:
I wasn't sure if you meant anoint as in applying something topically or if you meant it in some metaphorical sense. Essential oils aren't exactly woo. They can have biological effects, unlike homeopathic remedies which are made by diluting the shit out of it bc they believe their magical woo woo means the dilution strengthens it.
I know some EOs have been found helpful in psoriasis like oregon grape and are proven more effective than placebo. Tea tree oil is a proven anti-microbial. Rosemary can help with hair regrowth.
The woo comes when they claim they are panaceas, have no side effects and encourage ingesting them which is toxic and you should never, ever do. "Carrier oil" means a neutral oil to mix with the EO because they are highly concreted plant oils and can be highly irritating.
There's lots of CBD and other cannabis creams now, I would recommend them. They probably have an anti-inflammatory/antioxidant effect but don't make you high.
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It's hard to distinguish woo from reality if you don't already have some background in stuff. The way I see it, is historical medicine often has a bad reputation (blood-letting, humour theory, etc.), but it was mostly the formal, book-learning medicine of the time that failed - that, is the I Fucking Love Science of days of yore - and the folk remedies (teas, poultices, etc.) seemed to work. There's no way people learning by trial and error over thousands of years could have failed to make effective medicine, and as I understand it's more economic reasons (mass-producing it in an affordable way) that's caused the rise of pharmaceuticals. But pharmaceutical companies have proven themselves untrustworthy, from opioids to ADHD/anti-schizo/antidepressant pills to the vaccine fuckery.

Rosemary could be real useful, I've been losing hair like crazy.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
It's hard to distinguish woo from reality if you don't already have some background in stuff. The way I see it, is historical medicine often has a bad reputation (blood-letting, humour theory, etc.), but it was mostly the formal, book-learning medicine of the time that failed - that, is the I Fucking Love Science of days of yore - and the folk remedies (teas, poultices, etc.) seemed to work. There's no way people learning by trial and error over thousands of years could have failed to make effective medicine, and as I understand it's more economic reasons (mass-producing it in an affordable way) that's caused the rise of pharmaceuticals. But pharmaceutical companies have proven themselves untrustworthy, from opioids to ADHD/anti-schizo/antidepressant pills to the vaccine fuckery.

Rosemary could be real useful, I've been losing hair like crazy.
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I agree. I think herbal medicine has a lot of promise. Examine dot com is a good place to see an overview of the evidence for individual supplements. Some popular ones are surprisingly useless but some aren't.
I don't have any medical background but I learned to separate woo from fact on pro-science skeptic blogs that were dedicated to debunking pseudoscience. Orak is a great one, Skeptical Raptor, Science Based Medicine and I really liked science based beauty blogs, especially Lab Muffin. Rational Wiki, as politically biased as they are, has a good, long list reviewing (mostly useless) herbal remedies. Some herbal remedies used in the past (like birthwort) were toxic, carcinogenic, useless etc. but at lot were/are at least non-toxic and have many chemicals with antiviral, antibacterial etc. properties.
Rosemary oil is great stuff, just be sure to mix it with a carrier oil which can be many things like almond oil, jojoba oil and even mineral oil but the crunchies hate that bc it's derived from petroleum. Always remember essential oils are for topical use and tinctures, extracts, supplements etc. are for internal use. MLMs like Young Living popularized ingesting EOs which can cause internal burns and organ damage.
The only real "woo" things I believe in are believe in are supplements, massage, meditation and aromatherapy. It's good to read a lot of debunkings to learn to separate stuff without a chance of working like homeopathy, reiki and chiropractic, which do not use principles based in physical reality and stuff that has a plausible reason to have a physical effect.
 
Exhalate Carcinomas said:
Source? Here's the info I found

Basically impossible to kill yourself with it. You'll pass out long before you can get that much into you.
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LD50 is something like 5 grams, which is easier to reach via edibles than it is smoking as more is metabolised when eating vs smoking as burning it isn't as efficient as the liver. Theres also a delay when ingesting it, it doesn't take effect until the liver metabolises it, whereas via smoking, it metabolises when its burnt and pretty much hits the bloodstream near instantly.

LD50 isn't the greatest measure of safety, thats the amount that would kill 50% of the people that would take it, it also doesn't take into effect other damaging effects of substance toxicity like liver damage.

That being said, its demonstrably safer than pretty much all other drugs.
 
libRT said:
LD50 is something like 5 grams, which is easier to reach via edibles than it is smoking as more is metabolised when eating vs smoking as burning it isn't as efficient as the liver. Theres also a delay when ingesting it, it doesn't take effect until the liver metabolises it, whereas via smoking, it metabolises when its burnt and pretty much hits the bloodstream near instantly.

LD50 isn't the greatest measure of safety, thats the amount that would kill 50% of the people that would take it, it also doesn't take into effect other damaging effects of substance toxicity like liver damage.

That being said, its demonstrably safer than pretty much all other drugs.
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Isn't 15 mg a standard dose? Basically just take one of those and don't take another. I don't worry that I'm going to overdose to death on aspirin.
 
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