US Car Repos Are Exploding. That’s a Bad Omen. - A surge in repossessed autos reflects broader economic problems. The question: How might a bursting of an auto bubble affect the broader U.S. economy?


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The jobs report and minutes from the Federal Reserve’s June meeting were the economic highlights of the week, but they are, respectively, a lagging indicator and old news. This column instead digs into the auto market, where there is an underappreciated ticking time bomb.

Lucky Lopez is a car dealer who has been in the business for about 20 years. In recent meetings with bankers, where he bids on repossessed vehicles before they go to auction, he has noticed some common characteristics of the defaulted loans. Most of the loans on recently repossessed cars originated during 2020 and 2021, whereas origination dates are normally scattered because people fall on hard times at different times; loan-to-value ratios, or the amount financed relative to the value of the vehicle, are around 140%, versus a more normal 80%; and many of the loans were extended to buyers who had temporary pops in income during the pandemic. Those monthly incomes fell—sometimes by half—as pandemic stimulus programs stopped, and now they look even worse on an inflation-adjusted basis and as the prices of basics in particular are climbing.

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Used-car prices are more than $10,000 above typically expected levels, or what one observer says is a bubble that 'is beginning to show signs of bursting soon.'

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Part of the problem is that some consumers’ incomes were temporarily high as the pandemic brought about debt forbearance, pandemic stimulus checks, enhanced unemployment benefits, and, in some cases, forgiven loans from the Paycheck Protection Program. Lopez says he recently bought a Bentley, McLaren and two Aston Martins—all purchased by buyers using PPP money as down payments, and all repossessed after few or no monthly payments.Another recent acquisition: a Silverado repossessed from a borrower with a solid 700 credit score who made two payments.

Banks’ auto lending standards, meanwhile, went out the window, and then lenders jumped on the bandwagon of overpaying for cars, Lopez says. “Everybody thought the free gravy train would never end,” Lopez says.

Now, he says he has never seen so many people making $2,500 a month owing $1,000 a month in car payments. That’s about double the maximum portion of income many financial advisors recommend allocating toward a car payment. “The idea that the economy is strong? Anyone who is actually doing business sees things are not strong,” says Lopez. “We had a housing bubble in 2008, and now we have an auto bubble.”

Consider data from car-shopping app CoPilot, which monitors daily online inventory across dealers nationwide to track what they say is the difference between a car’s listed price and what it would be worth if not for extraordinary pandemic dynamics. In June, used-car prices were up 43%, or $10,046 above projected “normal” levels, the company says.

As Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO of Quill Intelligence puts it, companies in the business of repossessing autos are among the first to know when economic trouble is brewing. And now those companies are buying car lots to handle the flood of repossessed, used cars coming to the market because what they are seeing is a longer and harder recession, she says. Lopez says banks are in turn leasing more land to handle an expected car-repossession surge.

Some auto executives have hinted of turbulence. Earlier this year, Vickie Judy, CFO of America’s Car-Mart CRMT –2.79% (ticker: CRMT), discussed rising car repossession rates on an earnings call. In June, Ford F –0.26% (F) CFO John Lawler said the company had started to see delinquencies increase.

Lopez says it is hard to track vehicle repossession rates because banks are loath to talk about them. But based on what he says he has seen from banks, subprime repos have nearly doubled since 2020, to around 11% on average. The bigger red flag is in prime repos, where borrowers have higher credit scores. Lopez says usually about 2% of prime loans wind up repossessed. Now, that rate is at about 4%. Some of that can be explained by pandemic support temporarily making some consumers look like better borrowers. But it probably doesn’t fully explain the jump in prime defaults, thus suggesting a wider swath of consumers are struggling despite narratives around large cash cushions and a strong job market buffering households as inflation bites, interest rates rise, and financial markets melt.

Pamela Foohey, law professor at Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University, warned in 2021 of an auto-loan crisis. She wrote then that heading into the pandemic, auto loans outstanding were at record levels and auto-loan delinquencies were hitting new highs almost every quarter. The bubble was about to burst, it seemed, but government pandemic responses meant the bottom didn’t fall out of the auto-loan market. The measures were temporary, she warned then, and the bubble has since only grown.

Barron’s checked in with Foohey this past week. “The bubble is beginning to show signs of bursting soon,” she says, pointing to the overall spike in car prices that has led to larger loans and to rising repossession rates.

What is bubbling in the auto market reflects broader economic problems. The question: How might a bursting of an auto bubble affect the broader U.S. economy? Data published in May by the New York Fed shows Americans’ auto debt rose $87 billion for the year ended in March, to $1.47 trillion. That represents about a 10th of total consumer debt, which rose 8.2% over the same period.

One place the trouble is starting to show up, Lopez says, is on banks’ balance sheets. He says banks that were giving auto loans with LTVs of around 140 are now getting around 70 at auction—meaning they are losing substantial money. Foohey says the increase in auto loans and the increase in delinquencies and defaults track an increase in defaults on personal loans and credit cards.

There is a silver lining in that the weaker economy the auto trouble both reflects and portends should cool inflation. But it might not be that simple, at least not right away. “A lot of the banks—they’re smart. They control the market, like diamonds,” Lopez says. “As repos pour in, they only release them so often,” he says, meaning auto prices will probably remain stubborn even as economic growth wanes and more repos mean more used-car inventory.

That will also remain the case for inflation broadly, with stagflation the only alternative to a deeper-than-expected recession.




Time to start buying auction cars. People will finally remember that the game has been rigged from the start.

Will said it best in "Margin Call", listen carefully:


Fractional reserve banking and cronyism is empowered by the average day person who lives beyond their means in apathy.
 
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Holy shit! First the food processing facilities, now the car repos!? Is anything sacred!?

:stress:

But for the thread tax:
Part of the problem is that some consumers’ incomes were temporarily high as the pandemic brought about debt forbearance, pandemic stimulus checks, enhanced unemployment benefits, and, in some cases, forgiven loans from the Paycheck Protection Program. Lopez says he recently bought a Bentley, McLaren and two Aston Martins—all purchased by buyers using PPP money as down payments, and all repossessed after few or no monthly payments. Another recent acquisition: a Silverado repossessed from a borrower with a solid 700 credit score who made two payments.
I can't really feel sorry for any dipshits who squandered their Biden bux on a new car, truck, or SUV when they should have used it for food or rent. Anyone with an I.Q. higher than their shoe size should have known to use their temporary emergency funds for temporary emergency purposes, and not to get a new ride. If you weren't making much money to begin with during the pandemic and now you're stuck with spending half your monthly pay on a fucking new Chevy Suburban, you deserve everything you get (or everything you lose, I should say).

Boo-fucking-hoo.
 
They could've bought used cars but noooo.
Used is pretty much on par with new right now.

Case in point, dealership wanted to sell me a 2018 pickup with 40k miles for 38k, walked out with a 2021 with 0 miles for 40k. The whole "chip shortage" caused used car prices to rocket...in that same sense the dealerships are offering more on used. This was a year ago so this may have changed, but everything I hear from people shopping says the same thing.
 
This is why I pay cash for my vehicles.

If you must finance, do it through your bank or credit union, not the dealer like some sucker.
Lots of dealers now are either refusing to take cash or demand full MSRP. They want you to go through their financing because the banks incentivized it with kickbacks.
 
Used is pretty much on par with new right now.

Case in point, dealership wanted to sell me a 2018 pickup with 40k miles for 38k, walked out with a 2021 with 0 miles for 40k. The whole "chip shortage" caused used car prices to rocket...in that same sense the dealerships are offering more on used. This was a year ago so this may have changed, but everything I hear from people shopping says the same thing.
Yep same for me. Except I had to wait like 4 months for the new truck to come in, which was fine. I even got the color I wanted (although that was sheer luck, cause I didn't really have a choice).
 
I remember when the covidbuxx started flowing, car dealerships were packed with retards getting new cars. They never once thought of what to do once the checks stopped rolling in, they just had the money burning a hole in their pocket and just had to buy a new car. The COVID checks were a great demonstration on why UBI will never work in America.
 
LOL Lucky Lopez is my cousin. Would it shock you if I told you his name isn't really Lucky?

This is why I pay cash for my vehicles.

If you must finance, do it through your bank or credit union, not the dealer like some sucker.
When I got my car in 2019 the dealership got me a better interest rate than any banks I looked around could.
 
I used to be an auto credit analyst back in the olden days. The lenders go through cycles, just like buyers do.

After a downturn and repo disaster, lender is disciplined and focused. Buying clean paper is easy and boring, an algo can do it. Eventually the economy gets to a place where the lenders are tempted to start buying shittier deals because This Time is Different, plus We Need To Grow Market Share. And everyone who knows better is either gone, or just can’t help themselves.

But first or second payment defaults are red flags and cause lenders to freak out the most. Later in the loan, life can happen: death, divorce, job loss. First payment defaults generally indicate underwriting failure: dealer fraud, customer fraud, or the software failing at risk analysis.

I can see how in These Unprecedented Times the lenders shit the bed; the economy was so weird and distorted deals would have looked way better than they did. Big down payments make the analysis software score deals higher than they should be.

I don’t feel sorry for anyone here, it’s greed all around. For first payment defaults I never once saw a customer who signed that loan in good faith.

In Canada the captive finance co.s were actually better at buying paper than the banks because that’s all they do. The banks dip in and out during the business cycle.

I don’t follow it as closely as I did; I got to see thousands of people’s credit over the years and high income debt slaves are everywhere. The lesson never left me.

Buy used, pay cash. It’s better to be rich than to look rich. I drive old cars and the occasional repairs are still far cheaper than payments.
 
I used to be an auto credit analyst back in the olden days. The lenders go through cycles, just like buyers do.

After a downturn and repo disaster, lender is disciplined and focused. Buying clean paper is easy and boring, an algo can do it. Eventually the economy gets to a place where the lenders are tempted to start buying shittier deals because This Time is Different, plus We Need To Grow Market Share. And everyone who knows better is either gone, or just can’t help themselves.

But first or second payment defaults are red flags and cause lenders to freak out the most. Later in the loan, life can happen: death, divorce, job loss. First payment defaults generally indicate underwriting failure: dealer fraud, customer fraud, or the software failing at risk analysis.

I can see how in These Unprecedented Times the lenders shit the bed; the economy was so weird and distorted deals would have looked way better than they did. Big down payments make the analysis software score deals higher than they should be.

I don’t feel sorry for anyone here, it’s greed all around. For first payment defaults I never once saw a customer who signed that loan in good faith.

In Canada the captive finance co.s were actually better at buying paper than the banks because that’s all they do. The banks dip in and out during the business cycle.

I don’t follow it as closely as I did; I got to see thousands of people’s credit over the years and high income debt slaves are everywhere. The lesson never left me.

Buy used, pay cash. It’s better to be rich than to look rich. I drive old cars and the occasional repairs are still far cheaper than payments.
Ah so a larger down payment gooses the numbers....which makes sense because it would show some discipline.
 
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