US Car Repos Are Exploding. That’s a Bad Omen. - A surge in repossessed autos reflects broader economic problems. The question: How might a bursting of an auto bubble affect the broader U.S. economy?


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Ford CFO John Lawler said in June that the company had started to see delinquencies increase. Here, a cars at a

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The jobs report and minutes from the Federal Reserve’s June meeting were the economic highlights of the week, but they are, respectively, a lagging indicator and old news. This column instead digs into the auto market, where there is an underappreciated ticking time bomb.

Lucky Lopez is a car dealer who has been in the business for about 20 years. In recent meetings with bankers, where he bids on repossessed vehicles before they go to auction, he has noticed some common characteristics of the defaulted loans. Most of the loans on recently repossessed cars originated during 2020 and 2021, whereas origination dates are normally scattered because people fall on hard times at different times; loan-to-value ratios, or the amount financed relative to the value of the vehicle, are around 140%, versus a more normal 80%; and many of the loans were extended to buyers who had temporary pops in income during the pandemic. Those monthly incomes fell—sometimes by half—as pandemic stimulus programs stopped, and now they look even worse on an inflation-adjusted basis and as the prices of basics in particular are climbing.

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Used-car prices are more than $10,000 above typically expected levels, or what one observer says is a bubble that 'is beginning to show signs of bursting soon.'

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Part of the problem is that some consumers’ incomes were temporarily high as the pandemic brought about debt forbearance, pandemic stimulus checks, enhanced unemployment benefits, and, in some cases, forgiven loans from the Paycheck Protection Program. Lopez says he recently bought a Bentley, McLaren and two Aston Martins—all purchased by buyers using PPP money as down payments, and all repossessed after few or no monthly payments.Another recent acquisition: a Silverado repossessed from a borrower with a solid 700 credit score who made two payments.

Banks’ auto lending standards, meanwhile, went out the window, and then lenders jumped on the bandwagon of overpaying for cars, Lopez says. “Everybody thought the free gravy train would never end,” Lopez says.

Now, he says he has never seen so many people making $2,500 a month owing $1,000 a month in car payments. That’s about double the maximum portion of income many financial advisors recommend allocating toward a car payment. “The idea that the economy is strong? Anyone who is actually doing business sees things are not strong,” says Lopez. “We had a housing bubble in 2008, and now we have an auto bubble.”

Consider data from car-shopping app CoPilot, which monitors daily online inventory across dealers nationwide to track what they say is the difference between a car’s listed price and what it would be worth if not for extraordinary pandemic dynamics. In June, used-car prices were up 43%, or $10,046 above projected “normal” levels, the company says.

As Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO of Quill Intelligence puts it, companies in the business of repossessing autos are among the first to know when economic trouble is brewing. And now those companies are buying car lots to handle the flood of repossessed, used cars coming to the market because what they are seeing is a longer and harder recession, she says. Lopez says banks are in turn leasing more land to handle an expected car-repossession surge.

Some auto executives have hinted of turbulence. Earlier this year, Vickie Judy, CFO of America’s Car-Mart CRMT –2.79% (ticker: CRMT), discussed rising car repossession rates on an earnings call. In June, Ford F –0.26% (F) CFO John Lawler said the company had started to see delinquencies increase.

Lopez says it is hard to track vehicle repossession rates because banks are loath to talk about them. But based on what he says he has seen from banks, subprime repos have nearly doubled since 2020, to around 11% on average. The bigger red flag is in prime repos, where borrowers have higher credit scores. Lopez says usually about 2% of prime loans wind up repossessed. Now, that rate is at about 4%. Some of that can be explained by pandemic support temporarily making some consumers look like better borrowers. But it probably doesn’t fully explain the jump in prime defaults, thus suggesting a wider swath of consumers are struggling despite narratives around large cash cushions and a strong job market buffering households as inflation bites, interest rates rise, and financial markets melt.

Pamela Foohey, law professor at Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University, warned in 2021 of an auto-loan crisis. She wrote then that heading into the pandemic, auto loans outstanding were at record levels and auto-loan delinquencies were hitting new highs almost every quarter. The bubble was about to burst, it seemed, but government pandemic responses meant the bottom didn’t fall out of the auto-loan market. The measures were temporary, she warned then, and the bubble has since only grown.

Barron’s checked in with Foohey this past week. “The bubble is beginning to show signs of bursting soon,” she says, pointing to the overall spike in car prices that has led to larger loans and to rising repossession rates.

What is bubbling in the auto market reflects broader economic problems. The question: How might a bursting of an auto bubble affect the broader U.S. economy? Data published in May by the New York Fed shows Americans’ auto debt rose $87 billion for the year ended in March, to $1.47 trillion. That represents about a 10th of total consumer debt, which rose 8.2% over the same period.

One place the trouble is starting to show up, Lopez says, is on banks’ balance sheets. He says banks that were giving auto loans with LTVs of around 140 are now getting around 70 at auction—meaning they are losing substantial money. Foohey says the increase in auto loans and the increase in delinquencies and defaults track an increase in defaults on personal loans and credit cards.

There is a silver lining in that the weaker economy the auto trouble both reflects and portends should cool inflation. But it might not be that simple, at least not right away. “A lot of the banks—they’re smart. They control the market, like diamonds,” Lopez says. “As repos pour in, they only release them so often,” he says, meaning auto prices will probably remain stubborn even as economic growth wanes and more repos mean more used-car inventory.

That will also remain the case for inflation broadly, with stagflation the only alternative to a deeper-than-expected recession.




Time to start buying auction cars. People will finally remember that the game has been rigged from the start.

Will said it best in "Margin Call", listen carefully:


Fractional reserve banking and cronyism is empowered by the average day person who lives beyond their means in apathy.
 
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I never understood why so many people put so much money into what vehicle they drive anyway. It's supposed to be a medium to get you from point A to B--nothing more. Even if I were well-off, I wouldn't buy an expensive vehicle. I don't get it. That money would be better spend on a better place to live or in savings.
I'm kinda there... I understand why some people want flashy and expensive cars... what I don't get is why some people seem to think they're investments, and not consumer goods.

Which they are.

They're just very bulky very expensive.... shoes.

You buy them, you use them, they wear out, after the repair and refurbishment cost becomes too high, you replace them.

They aren't an investment, they don't accrue value faster than they can lose it, you can't reliably hold and swap and flip them like houses or real estate, they don't play by those rules.

And in that light, I don't see why people think just because they cost so much, and are probably the most expensive consumer purchase your average person will make, that they're something special in that regard.

And in that regard, is the reason why I exclusively buy used cars and never go over $5K for purchase.

To prove how right Dave up there is, among the reasons that people and family tend to nag me to go into debt and buy a new car when the $5k ones run fine, top of the list after shooting down "It's old" (yes, so?) and "It's about to fall apart" (No, it passes yearly safety inspection) is "You'll never get a date/woman driving that"
 
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I never understood why so many people put so much money into what vehicle they drive anyway. It's supposed to be a medium to get you from point A to B--nothing more. Even if I were well-off, I wouldn't buy an expensive vehicle. I don't get it. That money would be better spend on a better place to live or in savings.
You are a woman, aint you? Tell me it isn't so!

If you are a married man you buy a quality SUV. responsible, practical and efficient at family life. It tells other women "I'm a father, off the shelf".

If you are single you buy a sports car and express your availability to women, and that you are willing to blow stupid money on stupid thing s- like whatever that woman wants. Like I said, stupid things.

You must be a woman because you don't need a nice car because you don't have the same use for it as a man does. A car is like nice clothing or a watch, it expresses either your wallet or your credit card size.

To prove my point I imagine you'd say it would be alright to spend money on a nice house - I mean you really just need a shithole if technically all you need is shelter, right?Like a car right? "A to B" So why do you need a nice home? Because it is important to you.
 
Wait, so everyone got one check for $1400 and one more check, several months later, for $600, and some people decided that they should sign up for a monthly car payment with this? I mean, I guess that could be used for the down payment, but it doesn't sound like these people could afford any payments beyond that just on their regular income.
 
So I had a older cousin who worked as a book keeper.

She answered an Ad in the the paper. Turns out it was this woman who was divorced. Guess what her Alimony was? 100K...a month for 5 years

This lady had nothing at the end of the 5 months.
Amazing. I imagine that’s the gold-digger’s lottery win; a smart one would set herself up for life. But that lack of long term thinking is terrifyingly common.

Although we hear a lot of sob stories about stranded widows, a lot of people are like this (although at a much smaller scale).
Isn't this basically what happened to Anna Nicole Smith? Got a huge half a billion payout from her sugar daddy, and within a decade blew it all on drugs and other shit?
 
This is why I pay cash for my vehicles.

If you must finance, do it through your bank or credit union, not the dealer like some sucker.
One exception - if the manufacturer offers a very low or zero interest rate. Wife got a zero rate from Hyundai when she bought our cars, one year apart.

Another harbinger of recession - empty storefronts. Seeing more and more of these.
 
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I was told this was normal, Hell I saw so many mustangs down in San Diego
Let me put it this way: you've got a guaranteed source of income (providing you aren't a complete fuckup since even a major fuckup will likely stay in) for several years, and your creditor knows exactly what your paycheck is and when you get paid. And if you fuck up the military can and will hold it against you, and IIRC government paychecks are surprisingly easy to garnish, as well. A dumb-fuck private dropping his enlistment bonus on something he can't afford is a tale as old as time, and there's no end of shyster car salesmen to make sure that money goes towards them and not someone or something else.
 
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The Barrons article is kinda shit, the guy they interviewed tweeted something about how his stuff was taken out of context and he had messaged a lot more stuff saying the current market is a lot stronger than 2008, demand is still super crazy high, yadda yadda.

no doubt repos are gonna come in hard sometime in the future, same thing with housing market especially with a ton of "investors" buying rental homes and having no business in that space, but these things take years to unwind.

Definitely a sign that if you want a new car wait as long as you possibly can, its just gonna get better the longer you wait. Private sale used car market will probably be better and better too if you have lined up the money in advance.
 
You are a woman, aint you? Tell me it isn't so!

If you are a married man you buy a quality SUV. responsible, practical and efficient at family life. It tells other women "I'm a father, off the shelf".

If you are single you buy a sports car and express your availability to women, and that you are willing to blow stupid money on stupid thing s- like whatever that woman wants. Like I said, stupid things.

You must be a woman because you don't need a nice car because you don't have the same use for it as a man does. A car is like nice clothing or a watch, it expresses either your wallet or your credit card size.

To prove my point I imagine you'd say it would be alright to spend money on a nice house - I mean you really just need a shithole if technically all you need is shelter, right?Like a car right? "A to B" So why do you need a nice home? Because it is important to you.

I'm not a woman, but I'm a gay male, so maybe it's something I just don't get. I've never had to impress anyone by how much money I make, so it's just not something that I think about. Cars of no interest to me besides practicality; I absolutely hate driving.
 
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I'm not a woman, but I'm a gay male, so maybe it's something I just don't get. I've never had to impress anyone by how much money I make, so it's just not something that I think about. Cars of no interest to me besides practicality; I absolutely hate driving.
Well I hadn’t planned on that orientation and response…so I couldn’t say I was right or wrong.

But I bet you got a killer pad, am I right?
 
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Well I hadn’t planned on that orientation and response…so I couldn’t say I was right or wrong.

But I bet you got a killer pad, am I right?

It's an above average place, I guess.

I'd just rather spend money on having a nicer place to live in than a car, because you spend more time in your home than in a vehicle. Everyone has different priorities though. Some people don't mind living in the ghetto if they get to drive an Escalade.
 
I'm not a woman, but I'm a gay male, so maybe it's something I just don't get. I've never had to impress anyone by how much money I make, so it's just not something that I think about. Cars of no interest to me besides practicality; I absolutely hate driving.
I like offroading and I've spent thousands making my vehicle a better offroader. I enjoy mechanics and it's fun for me. Different strokes.
 
I lucked out so much buying my clearance 2019 Ford F-150 with 25 miles in February 2020.
whats the most profit you were offered on it.
I never understood why so many people put so much money into what vehicle they drive anyway. It's supposed to be a medium to get you from point A to B--nothing more. Even if I were well-off, I wouldn't buy an expensive vehicle. I don't get it. That money would be better spend on a better place to live or in savings.
on average people spend 5% of their waking life in their cars, at least 2x-4x as much time as they spend in their bathrooms, by your logic everyone should use the cheapest everything in the bathroom, including toilet paper. plus its like my russian ancestors used to say "i'm not rich enough to buy cheap things" plenty of times in recent history you could get a luxury asian car that lasts you 300k miles or 5 american cars that will get you 60k miles each. you truely do get what you pay for a lot of the time, unless you buy a truck. in which case you get half of what you pay for.
Isn't this basically what happened to Anna Nicole Smith? Got a huge half a billion payout from her sugar daddy, and within a decade blew it all on drugs and other shit?
she never got the money, his family fought her until she fucking died, all her money was from the publicity.
 
You must be a woman because you don't need a nice car because you don't have the same use for it as a man does. A car is like nice clothing or a watch, it expresses either your wallet or your credit card size.
I wouldn't publicly express the size of my wallet (not with a car) lest I want to get jumped.
 
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It's an above average place, I guess.

I'd just rather spend money on having a nicer place to live in than a car, because you spend more time in your home than in a vehicle. Everyone has different priorities though. Some people don't mind living in the ghetto if they get to drive an Escalade.
Cars and motorsports are a hobby for many people. Each car enthusiast has reasons for pursing it, though I think not all are genuine. Some people, like you alluded to, see cars only as status symbols and therefore want the newest and shiniest AMG G wagon or Maserati. These kinds of people won't know the difference between a disk brake and drum brake. That's not to say that all people who buy the latest and greatest car are like that.

People who are really into cars tend to have an admiration of the mechanics and engineering that allow the car to do what it does. A lot of these enthusiasts also turn a wrench and work on them along with other handy projects. In a sense, cars are one of the hallmarks of human ingenuity - the culmination of centuries of knowledge across multiple disciplines distilled down into a mechanical work of art that's able to propel a person at incredible speeds and grip the tightest corners.
 
I wouldn't publicly express the size of my wallet (not with a car) lest I want to get jumped.
A bit late...but a vehicle is more than just a tool for many people and is an individual statement to others about what they care about and how they look after their possessions as much as people spend ludicrous amounts to live in exclusive suburbs, buy expensive furniture or clothing.

You don't have to brush a horse, nor do do you HAVE to have a thoroughbred, you DONT have to paint the wagon to look nice either, you don't HAVE to brush your hair or wear decent clothes...but possessions of people have for millennia been a symbol of who they are.

If you live in a place where if you have nice car and have to hide your wallet, not dress nicely cause you look like a mark, then your money is best spent moving somewhere else.

So you might want to invest in a car that can get you from A to B - "B" being anywhere other than where you live right now because it sounds like crap.
 
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