Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[soy_king]

I watched a stream of Carl where someone asked something like "What are you going to do about the people that want a civil war" and Sargon replied something like "We shoot them". Truly a political genius, shoot the people that supposedly want a civil war to prevent a civil war - what if it's 10% of your population, his solution is just to kill 10% of a population? 20% 30%?

Is it weird I kinda want to see the regime of Comrade Iosif Vessarionovich Sargon, The Leader of the People?

 

[Erich Raeder]

When it comes to assimilation, I'm a little bit torn on the issue, considering that an excellent cases in point are the United States and Canada. You could easily say that the native US population (White British Protestants) are a minority within this country, but their legacy of individual liberty, due process, freedom of religion, and parliamentary government lives on because the nation's culture was passed down and adopted by the immigrant groups through the educational system. The biggest problem facing the West is the intentional subterfuge of Western cultural values by leftists and Marxists infiltrating the education system, causing among other things a lack of confidence in the cultural foundations of Western nations. I'm not entirely sure if these values are inherent to the native European cultures, and to my mind I would say no.

Immigration worked for the USA because the people immigrating weren't that culturally different. And I could easily just as well say "it worked because the immigrants were white, too" and it wouldn't make that much of a difference semantically. The recent immigration trend in Europe is that people move there because of the welfare system. Certain immigrant groups, Muslims in particular, are just impossible to integrate. I think that is just something that cannot be denied. Interestingly enough even Muslims who lived here for decades and seemed to be integrated perfectly well tend to suddenly start being fundamentalist (wearing hijab and all) once there's enough other Muslims around them. While that's just anecdotal evidence, it still makes one :think:.

This is where I greatly differ with Sargon and the Liberalists: they have no concrete plan in tackling the educational system and reverting it back to a more liberal bent. This is largely due to the fact that actual intellectuals aren't involved with the liberalists, so they don't have anyone who would actually be able to climb up the university hierarchy into academia.

Funnily that's the one thing I wouldn't blame Liberalists for. Acadamia has always been leftist, I honestly don't think that there is even a way to influence anything there due to universities being de facto brainwashing facilities, especially in the humanities, which means there will surely be no shortage of leftist so-called intellectuals. As it stands now I would much rather work on getting the public to develop a healthy dose of anti-intellectualism - at least concerning politics. Education in general is not something that stops people from having stupid opinions, and it surely won't stop them from letting their bias influence their work.

I certainly agree with you where there is a certain point where you can't keep taking in immigrants at the rate currently practiced, in part because it's impossible to make sure all the people coming in are willing to assimilate. Then again, you and Sargon are probably in agreement where you wish to bring the number of immigrants coming in essentially to zero.

From the few debates I've watched he was really reluctant to even take the closed-border stance when people were taunting him, but I'll take your word for it that it's his most recent position. Still, even if immigration is limited to 0, you just need to look at the situation in London, Birmingham, Manchester, the Rotherham rape gangs, and so on. This is already out of control and everyone who has a "20 year plan" for this is a fucking lunatic and deserves to be laughed at. The UK should consider themselves lucky if they even have another 5 years before this development becomes irreversible.

 

[soy_king]

Immigration worked for the USA because the people immigrating weren't that culturally different. And I could easily just as well say "it worked because the immigrants were white, too" and it wouldn't make that much of a difference semantically. The recent immigration trend in Europe is that people move there because of the welfare system. Certain immigrant groups, Muslims in particular, are just impossible to integrate. I think that is just something that cannot be denied. Interestingly enough even Muslims who lived here for decades and seemed to be integrated perfectly well tend to suddenly start being fundamentalist (wearing hijab and all) once there's enough other Muslims around them. While that's just anecdotal evidence, it still makes one :think:.

I don't reallt think you could call the Southern and Eastern European waves that arrived on the Shores of America from 1850 to 1920 as that culturally similar to the Northern European Protestant majority. An association of these people with low intelligence, corruption, criminality, and poverty led to the first closing of American immigration with the institution of quotas in 1924 (ironically the people of that period suffered from many of the same problems of globalization that we suffer from today), and led to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan at its most powerful, with millions of members sworn to fight Catholics, Blacks, and Jews. The fact that Catholicism is no longer a seriously contentious issue in modern American politics is in fact a testament to the power of the Melting Pot.

Funnily that's the one thing I wouldn't blame Liberalists for. Acadamia has always been leftist, I honestly don't think that there is even a way to influence anything there due to universities being de facto brainwashing facilities, especially in the humanities, which means there will surely be no shortage of leftist so-called intellectuals. As it stands now I would much rather work on getting the public to develop a healthy dose of anti-intellectualism - at least concerning politics. Education in general is not something that stops people from having stupid opinions, and it surely won't stop them from letting their bias influence their work.

Education is inherently more left wing yes, but the greatest problem with the modern conservative movement is this surrender of the intellectual spaces and a return to anti-intellectualism. Like it or not, but the oftentime idiotic ideas that come out of Humanities departments have a way of diffusing into the modern consciousness, since the people who become teachers come out of these indoctrination facilities. An example of this is the proliferation of social justice in modern day education, which I thankfully only narrowly avoided the full extent of this phenomenon.

From the few debates I've watched he was really reluctant to even take the closed-border stance when people were taunting him, but I'll take your word for it that it's his most recent position. Still, even if immigration is limited to 0, you just need to look at the situation in London, Birmingham, Manchester, the Rotherham rape gangs, and so on. This is already out of control and everyone who has a "20 year plan" for this is a fucking lunatic and deserves to be laughed at. The UK should consider themselves lucky if they even have another 5 years before this development becomes irreversible.

The UK and Europe are pretty much fucked if they don't immediately halt the wave of Muslim immigration coming in, and even if they do they'll still have serious problems with the current Muslim populations. I don't believe that the countries will be destroyed within five years, but the social problems the European elites are trying to sweep under the carpet won't go away. Did you know that in this recent row in Germany one of those nameless Brussels oligarch said that Horst Seehofer, Merkel's coalition partner who's currently pushing for a harder line on immigration, needs the EU's help to "climb out of the tree" that they think he put himself in? I swear, the arrogance of these bureaucrats is astounding.

 

[Grand Lunar]

I don't reallt think you could call the Southern and Eastern European waves that arrived on the Shores of America from 1850 to 1920 as that culturally similar to the Northern European Protestant majority. An association of these people with low intelligence, corruption, criminality, and poverty led to the first closing of American immigration with the institution of quotas in 1924 (ironically the people of that period suffered from many of the same problems of globalization that we suffer from today), and led to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan at its most powerful, with millions of members sworn to fight Catholics, Blacks, and Jews. The fact that Catholicism is no longer a seriously contentious issue in modern American politics is in fact a testament to the power of the Melting Pot.

A bit off from the main discussion, but having been raised Catholic, all of this Protestant v. Catholic nonsense is actually still more prevalent than most people think it is (though don't get me wrong, it's nowhere near the same level as other issues). Thing is, having learned theology from Catholic schooling as well as arguing with Protestants before I became an atheist about midway through high school, I really don't think that the inherent religious differences between Catholics and Protestants matter that much from a cultural perspective. Protestants main gripes are:
- They believe that statues of Saints are a form of idolatry, and that Catholics come too close to deifying Mary.
- They don't think that transubstantiation (host actually becoming the body&blood of Christ) exists.
- The papal system.
- They think that they have too many dumb rules, lol what nerdz rite?
None of this directly contradicts the "liberal" values of the U.S. constitution, and more importantly there was never any motivation for Catholics to try and subvert the way that the government works in order to accommodate them. Admittedly I'm not overly informed on the history of immigrant groups in the U.S. outside of the basics, so if things were different back then and I'm missing crucial points in any of this feel free to correct me.

Anyway, association with crime appears to be the one thing that's consistent with every "wave" of immigration, possibly because of poverty or a lack of sufficient law and order in the places people flee from. Thing is, this aspect of things is relatively easy to address, and tends to balance out rather quickly. Latin American immigrants, for the most part, have very little trouble integrating. Problems only arise when gangs/cartels take advantage of lax border laws in order to infiltrate the U.S., and when corporations taking advantage of the cheap labor that illegal immigrants can provide puts people out of work. I highly doubt that this is unconnected to the fact that Latin America is a predominantly Christian (specifically Catholic) region. The same can't really be said for the current wave of Muslim migrants in Europe. To be honest, I think that Sargon is right when he says that the desire to not only self-segregate but to also try and subvert the new country's legal system to defend and cater to their own religion appears to be culturally unique to Islam. It very much appears to be severely influenced by their religious text as well, meaning that this problem isn't going away until there is a major secular reform (which can be done, since several Muslim nations have come close before).

Education is inherently more left wing yes, but the greatest problem with the modern conservative movement is this surrender of the intellectual spaces and a return to anti-intellectualism. Like it or not, but the oftentime idiotic ideas that come out of Humanities departments have a way of diffusing into the modern consciousness, since the people who become teachers come out of these indoctrination facilities. An example of this is the proliferation of social justice in modern day education, which I thankfully only narrowly avoided the full extent of this phenomenon.

I was in STEM for undergrad so I likely avoided the full blunt of this, but one of my freshmen year required humanities electives was borderline communist propaganda, and multiple professors I had for history classes were blatantly SJW (one was even full blown anti-white). Having a social circle largely composed of music oriented people I was also exposed to SJWs 24/7 and very rarely talked to people who fundamentally agree with me irl. And oh yes, I personally witnessed a few of those infamous college protests. Thing is, very little about my core beliefs and principals changed as a result of this, and I turned out... fine, I guess? I'm not sure that this "brainwashing" is as effective as you think it is, as luckily it only seems to really work on people who are already at least sort of on board? Maybe too optimistic, but I think there's hope on this one.

The UK and Europe are pretty much fucked if they don't immediately halt the wave of Muslim immigration coming in, and even if they do they'll still have serious problems with the current Muslim populations. I don't believe that the countries will be destroyed within five years, but the social problems the European elites are trying to sweep under the carpet won't go away. Did you know that in this recent row in Germany one of those nameless Brussels oligarch said that Horst Seehofer, Merkel's coalition partner who's currently pushing for a harder line on immigration, needs the EU's help to "climb out of the tree" that they think he put himself in? I swear, the arrogance of these bureaucrats is astounding.

Split on this. I do think, for the reasons listed above, that there should be massive reduction. Thing is, once they've eschewed all the fake refugees taking advantage of the system, I do think that making room for legitimate asylum seekers is the proper path. Especially since atheists, other religious dissidents, LGBT people, and women need some means of escape (I would take the first chance I got if I were unfortunate enough to be born in one of these countries). A more liberalized Western faction of Islam is probably the only real chance for reform as well.

 

[soy_king]

A bit off from the main discussion, but having been raised Catholic, all of this Protestant v. Catholic nonsense is actually still more prevalent than most people think it is (though don't get me wrong, it's nowhere near the same level as other issues). Thing is, having learned theology from Catholic schooling as well as arguing with Protestants before I became an atheist about midway through high school, I really don't think that the inherent religious differences between Catholics and Protestants matter that much from a cultural perspective. Protestants main gripes are:
- They believe that statues of Saints are a form of idolatry, and that Catholics come to close to deifying Mary.
- They don't think that transubstantiation (host actually becoming the body&blood of Christ) exists.
- The papal system.
- They think that they have too many dumb rules, lol what nerdz rite?
None of this directly contradicts the "liberal" values of the U.S. constitution, and more importantly there was never any motivation for Catholics to try and subvert the way that the government works in order to accommodate them. Admittedly I'm not overly informed on the history of immigrant groups in the U.S. outside of the basics, so if things were different back then and I'm missing crucial points in any of this feel free to correct me.

Anyway, association with crime appears to be the one thing that's consistent with every "wave" of immigration, possibly because of poverty or a lack of sufficient law and order in the places people flee from. Thing is, this aspect of things is relatively easy to address, and tends to balance out rather quickly. Latin American immigrants, for the most part, have very little trouble integrating. Problems only arise when gangs/cartels take advantage of lax border laws in order to infiltrate the U.S., and when corporations taking advantage of the cheap labor that illegal immigrants can provide puts people out of work. I highly doubt that this is unconnected to the fact that Latin America is a predominantly Christian (specifically Catholic) region. The same can't really be said for the current wave of Muslim migrants in Europe. To be honest, I think that Sargon is right when he says that the desire to not only self-segregate but to also try and subvert the new country's legal system to defend and cater to their own religion appears to be culturally unique to Islam. It very much appears to be severely influenced by their religious text as well, meaning that this problem isn't going away until there is a major secular reform (which can be done, since several Muslim nations have come close before).

Since I don't live in a heavily Hispanic area, I really can't say as to how effectively the majority of the population of Hispanic immigrants assimilate, but given how relatively proportionate their incarceration rate is to the percentage of their population I feel they have a greater chance of assimilating and moving up the ladder. I have noticed with great dismay that the traditional Democratic tactic of pandering to immigrants and minorities for votes has worked very well with the Hispanic community, to the extent that the proportion of Latino SJWs and radical leftist activists is extraordinarily high. Quick aside; one of the interesting things about Latin America is that on average 20% of those nations consist of Evangelical Protestants, which is reflected in the Latino immigration to the US as well.

I was in STEM for undergrad so I likely avoided the full blunt of this, but one of my freshmen year required humanities electives was borderline communist propaganda, and multiple professors I had for history classes were blatantly SJW (one was even full blown anti-white). Having a social circle largely composed of music oriented people I was also exposed to SJWs 24/7 and very rarely talked to people who fundamentally agree with me irl. And oh yes, I personally witnessed a few of those infamous college protests. Thing is, very little about my core beliefs and principals changed as a result of this, and I turned out... fine, I guess? I'm not sure that this "brainwashing" is as effective as you think it is, as luckily it only seems to really work on people who are already at least sort of on board? Maybe too optimistic, but I think there's hope on this one.

If only it were at the college level. I'm talking about in primary and secondary schools, where kids have less of a chance to reject their minds being molded. The amount of Marxist History teachers I had during public school was too many to count.

Split on this. I do think, for the reasons listed above, that there should be massive reduction. Thing is, once they've eschewed all the fake refugees taking advantage of the system, I do think that making room for legitimate asylum seekers is the proper path. Especially since atheists, other religious dissidents, LGBT people, and women need some means of escape (I would take the first chance I got if I were unfortunate enough to be born in one of these countries). A more liberalized Western faction of Islam is probably the only real chance for reform as well.

I would share your conundrum were it not for the fact that European nations have large native Muslim populations of between 5 and 10% that not only have disproportionately high birthrates in comparison to the Native population, higher rates of poverty and self-segregation, but the vast majority of mosques they go to are sponsored by the Saudis and thus promote fundamentalist versions of Islam. Add to this the freedom of movement for European citizens then you have a large hostile population that can move about Europe almost entirely unchecked. As much as it pains me to say it, the Communists were the only ones who knew how to effectively secularize Islam: close the mosques, institute secular courts and schools, arrest the imams, and force muslim women to abandon the hijab. Now this is obviously inimical to my core values, but it is realistically the easiest solution.

 

[Spooky]

Are we to expect a split in the liberalists in the future when Sargon inevitably drifts further right and does something stupid like try to co opt the alt right in the same way he is trying to co opt UKIP. I have always suspected that he protested too much when confronted with being a racist.

I think he sorta tried that or at least pretended to be a "fellow traveler" and got rebuffed because they realized he was stealing their memes and repackaging them with different, reddit-tier messaging. He also kinda tried to go more mainstream and make a point of attacking the alt-right when they didn't want him as a leader and he needed to distance himself from them. Now Sargon has failed to fully dissociate himself from the altright because he repackaged their memes and isn't a full blown progressive, has failed to coopt the altright because they are more internet savvy and edgy than him, and can never be mainstream because the altright trolled him into even stupider outbursts than usual. He thought he was the troll, but he was really just saying mean words at people who literally have panic attacks over criticism.

Edit: Which is not to say he isn't charismatic or successful. He appeals to people who like more or less the status quo of the oughts. He seems to be making a pretty comfortable living on neetbucks

 

[Grand Lunar]

Since I don't live in a heavily Hispanic area, I really can't say as to how effectively the majority of the population of Hispanic immigrants assimilate, but given how relatively proportionate their incarceration rate is to the percentage of their population I feel they have a greater chance of assimilating and moving up the ladder. I have noticed with great dismay that the traditional Democratic tactic of pandering to immigrants and minorities for votes has worked very well with the Hispanic community, to the extent that the proportion of Latino SJWs and radical leftist activists is extraordinarily high. Quick aside; one of the interesting things about Latin America is that on average 20% of those nations consist of Evangelical Protestants, which is reflected in the Latino immigration to the US as well.

It may seem that way, but I would question how accurate that perception may be. A very large portion of the true SJW crowd appears to be self-righteous cishet white people speaking up for people whose personal experiences they don't actually understand. I would argue that the supposed number of SJW radicals in most "minority groups" is highly inflated. I'm a gay dude and most of the other gay guys I've talked too are left-leaning, but only a couple are crazy enough to be labeled "SJWs" (and even they can still be friends with opponents, and can be reasoned with to some extent). I said that I think Latinos in the U.S. have integrated very well because (probably as a result of Christian family values, as much as I hate to admit that) I think the vast majority respect the law of the land and the values of the U.S. constitution. The sole exception is border laws, as for understandable reasons a large portion of latinos in the U.S. are at least somewhat permissive of illegal immigration due to the circumstantial reason that a lot have family that they would like to see make it in. They've typically been split about 2/1 Red vs. Blue though, and just shy of 1/3 voted for Trump despite the rabid propaganda against him. I'd say that's a sign that the number of racial activists coming out of Latino communities is heavily inflated.

If only it were at the college level. I'm talking about in primary and secondary schools, where kids have less of a chance to reject their minds being molded. The amount of Marxist History teachers I had during public school was too many to count.

Ah. I do think that you're right, if radical activists are getting their propaganda to kids while they're young, that is going to be a serious problem. The reason I have a bit of a hard time understanding it is that I heard shit like "you can't be racist to white people" and "if a girl hits you, don't defend yourself" since elementary and I always vehemently disagreed with it no matter how many times it was forced on me. Even in my tiny Catholic school, I still had a rabid SJW teacher for English (and later History) from grades 6-8. To bring it back to Sargon, his videos were pretty much the first political commentary that I watched on the internet starting in like 2015 (slightly embarrassing I know, but at least it was after gamergate and I didn't even find out that that was a thing until much later) and I was attracted because I finally heard another human being say the things that I had been thinking to myself all along. I didn't even need to be swayed in any way, the sole exception being Islam (I had somewhat bought into the propaganda that it wasn't any "worse" than other religions, but quickly changed my tune on that once presented with obvious facts). Maybe I'm just an outlier, but at the very least SJWs havent (quite?) succeeded at completely hiding information that disproves their false narratives, meaning that even with propaganda it's out there for those willing to seek it.

I would share your conundrum were it not for the fact that European nations have large native Muslim populations of between 5 and 10% that not only have disproportionately high birthrates in comparison to the Native population, higher rates of poverty and self-segregation, but the vast majority of mosques they go to are sponsored by the Saudis and thus promote fundamentalist versions of Islam. Add to this the freedom of movement for European citizens then you have a large hostile population that can move about Europe almost entirely unchecked. As much as it pains me to say it, the Communists were the only ones who knew how to effectively secularize Islam: close the mosques, institute secular courts and schools, arrest the imams, and force muslim women to abandon the hijab. Now this is obviously inimical to my core values, but it is realistically the easiest solution.

It's hard for me to think of how to respond to this, since it obviously violates my core values too. I do now think that significantly reducing migration from Islamic countries is a necessity to avoid serious problems in the future, but it's unrealistic at this point to believe that it will happen. Even in the U.S. a temporary 90 day travel ban on 7 countries generated a mass hysteria, so at this point I doubt that there's a chance of Western Europeans waking up to the fact that there is in fact a problem to be addressed.

 

[Pikimon]

Since I don't live in a heavily Hispanic area, I really can't say as to how effectively the majority of the population of Hispanic immigrants assimilate, but given how relatively proportionate their incarceration rate is to the percentage of their population I feel they have a greater chance of assimilating and moving up the ladder. I have noticed with great dismay that the traditional Democratic tactic of pandering to immigrants and minorities for votes has worked very well with the Hispanic community, to the extent that the proportion of Latino SJWs and radical leftist activists is extraordinarily high. Quick aside; one of the interesting things about Latin America is that on average 20% of those nations consist of Evangelical Protestants, which is reflected in the Latino immigration to the US as well.

As a Mexican man who lives in a heavily Hispanic county in the United States, It doesn't help that the GOP's political base and platform is often very openly hostile to Hispanics and represents them in basically zero issues that they're interested in.

That's not to say that the Democrats are at any good at reaching out or connecting to Hispanic people, its just that theres not much an option when the GOP basically wants your existence to be erased from the country,will never consider you to be fully part of the United States and will often deny the issues the Hispanic community faces or turn it around and place the blame on them to avoid any policy decisions that may alienate their political base that doesn't care for Hispanic people.

 

[BobManly]

If only it were at the college level. I'm talking about in primary and secondary schools, where kids have less of a chance to reject their minds being molded. The amount of Marxist History teachers I had during public school was too many to count.

Isn't it kind of interesting how the US went to rabid anti-communist propaganda in schools to rabid communist propaganda?
I grew up in a country with an active communist party, and all we had to read was the Communist Manifesto. Marx wasn't given more space than Hume, Hobbes and actually less than others like Descartes (I had to read two in latin ffs ).

So what went wrong with you guys?

 

[Toucan]

I don't think he could do much at this point that'd have the people in the Liberalist camp leave, considering it's essentially just his fanbase, and anyone who's seen a liberalist sperg out or defend Sargon it's pretty obvious that they're just fanboys of his that are along for the ride in the same vein as the Peterson fanboys that hang off of every word the guy says and would defend their fair lady to the death.

As far as him and his followers trying to co-opt the alt-right, that's hilariously laughable. He might have been able to try to worm his group's way into the alt-right a few years ago before they knew he even existed, but considering even the spokespersons and thought-leaders of the alt-right now know both who he is and how much of a sperg he can be, they'd see him and any of his hangers-on and call them out if they tried by this point. There's also the fact that as mentioned above, there's no way he'd openly try to do that in the first place because he tries to play along the same rules as the middle-ground of the overton window, and secondly because if he ever openly made any kind of statement alluding to him joining the alt-right in any way he'd never hear the end of it - especially given the Daily Stormer's glowing review and his "white niggers" rant.

I think he sorta tried that or at least pretended to be a "fellow traveler" and got rebuffed because they realized he was stealing their memes and repackaging them with different, reddit-tier messaging. He also kinda tried to go more mainstream and make a point of attacking the alt-right when they didn't want him as a leader and he needed to distance himself from them. Now Sargon has failed to fully dissociate himself from the altright because he repackaged their memes and isn't a full blown progressive, has failed to coopt the altright because they are more internet savvy and edgy than him, and can never be mainstream because the altright trolled him into even stupider outbursts than usual. He thought he was the troll, but he was really just saying mean words at people who literally have panic attacks over criticism.

I agree with both of you. I remember him beginning to drift right maybe one or two years ago by saying shit like he would rather side with the nazis over the communists and also starting to vociferously stick up for the altright whenever it was being 'misrepresented'. This was also around the time that he began to sperg out about pizzagate and sucking Trumps dick and demanding Britain seal its borders. It is clear, to me at least, that Sargon saw the altright as the next pasture to graze on but something along the way halted his migration and now he is stuck in an awkward limbo between 'classical liberalism' (Conservativeisim for posh arseholes) and full on 'hitler did nothing wrong'.

Whatever his motivation for this, be it cynical patreon optimisation or genuine political feeling, im sure it is fascinating to explore in its own right but I am interested to know how he ever intended to bring his fanbase along for the ride. Many of his fans are Liberal libertarian and many of them are people who would probably be killed or have their freedom restricted if the altright ever got its way. I can understand that Vee and Louis Le Vau would probably be willing to change their politics just so that the could continue sucking his dick. I wonder how things would have turned out if he had broken into the altright in the early days.

 

[Lysol]

It is clear, to me at least, that Sargon saw the altright as the next pasture to graze on but something along the way halted his migration and now he is stuck in an awkward limbo between 'classical liberalism' (Conservativeisim for posh arseholes) and full on 'hitler did nothing wrong'.

What would be interesting to do, and if I get bored I'll do it myself, would be to compare when he stopped slowly moving towards the alt-right, and when that hate-speech law in the U.K. was put into effect.

Whatever his motivation for this, be it cynical patreon optimisation or genuine political feeling, im sure it is fascinating to explore in its own right but I am interested to know how he ever intended to bring his fanbase along for the ride. Many of his fans are Liberal libertarian and many of them are people who would probably be killed or have their freedom restricted if the altright ever got its way. I can understand that Vee and Louis Le Vau would probably be willing to change their politics just so that the could continue sucking his dick. I wonder how things would have turned out if he had broken into the altright in the early days.

A good portion of his fanbase already did move to the alt-right over the past few months, which is why I suspect he keeps attacking them. As far as the rest, knowing Sargon he would've drifted right until he became alt-lite, like Gavin McInness or Milo, and his fans seem to be somewhere between Sargon's position and alt-lite so I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult. Also keep in mind that Sargon's always going to have a large chunk of his audience that will just follow him wherever he goes (politically) so even if he went full 1488'er he'd probably still have a sizable number of fans.

 

[Burning Fanatic]

Hey gang, it's that time of year again!

It's.........
VIDCON WEEKEND!

Remember how last year our glorious leader and his comrades were treated terribly by Anita and the people running the event?
Well don't worry, the Quartering is here to remind us all!

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I swear, it's been like only a year (not even), and this shit has not aged well:

It didn't take incredibly long for this sense of unity to fall apart. Lotta these guys unsurprisingly have their own threads here for all the dumb shit they got involved in.

Artist's DA // archive

 

[Toucan]

It didn't take incredibly long for this sense of unity to fall apart. Lotta these guys unsurprisingly have their own threads here for all the dumb shit they got involved in.

Lord save us from this bullshit.

knowing Sargon he would've drifted right until he became alt-lite, like Gavin McInness or Milo

I suspect he has already done this. As Vee said in that livestream he is a right winger now. He was a personal friend of Milo after all and its not hard to imagine that he swallowed the alt lite pill while there.

I also suspect you might be right about the hate speech law in England too. If a correlation could be proven it would show just how much of a spineless cunt he really is.

 

[Erich Raeder]

What is even the distinct difference between liberalist and alt-lite? They're both umbrella terms anyway so I have a really hard time thinking of something that really separates the two.

Split on this. I do think, for the reasons listed above, that there should be massive reduction. Thing is, once they've eschewed all the fake refugees taking advantage of the system, I do think that making room for legitimate asylum seekers is the proper path. Especially since atheists, other religious dissidents, LGBT people, and women need some means of escape (I would take the first chance I got if I were unfortunate enough to be born in one of these countries). A more liberalized Western faction of Islam is probably the only real chance for reform as well.

Take Hamed Abdel-Samad for example, he is a "moderate" German-Egyptian Muslim who is a critic of Islam and frequently receives death threats for it. German media however accuses him of playing an act when he walks around with bodyguards and thinks he's just a islamophobe. If anything the west radicalizes Muslims even more with their irrational xenophilia.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Well don't worry, the Quartering is here to remind us all!

That sure is cool how he so effortlessly and handily beat Hasbro into the ground so thoroughly that he can now sit around just making generalized "outrage culture" content now. With his faggy little Chris Ray Gun-biting logo he's got there.

You know, if I knew better and wasn't just constantly angry at his genius bantz, I'd say it would seem entirely transparent what his endgame was the entire time.

The fact that he didn't have enough forethought or awareness to see jumping as hard as he could on the S.S. Argon was hilarious. Lil fucker thought he was gonna be one of the outrage culture big boys and then mean ol Metokur just had to go and demolish 'em the way he did.

 

[soy_king]

It may seem that way, but I would question how accurate that perception may be. A very large portion of the true SJW crowd appears to be self-righteous cishet white people speaking up for people whose personal experiences they don't actually understand. I would argue that the supposed number of SJW radicals in most "minority groups" is highly inflated. I'm a gay dude and most of the other gay guys I've talked too are left-leaning, but only a couple are crazy enough to be labeled "SJWs" (and even they can still be friends with opponents, and can be reasoned with to some extent). I said that I think Latinos in the U.S. have integrated very well because (probably as a result of Christian family values, as much as I hate to admit that) I think the vast majority respect the law of the land and the values of the U.S. constitution. The sole exception is border laws, as for understandable reasons a large portion of latinos in the U.S. are at least somewhat permissive of illegal immigration due to the circumstantial reason that a lot have family that they would like to see make it in. They've typically been split about 2/1 Red vs. Blue though, and just shy of 1/3 voted for Trump despite the rabid propaganda against him. I'd say that's a sign that the number of racial activists coming out of Latino communities is heavily inflated.

The number of SJW activists overall is probably highly inflated. They're probably mostly middle class white people who have immense guilt for their class and skin color, but from my own experience the number of middle class non-white people who at least sympathize with the far left is uncomfortably high.

As a Mexican man who lives in a heavily Hispanic county in the United States, It doesn't help that the GOP's political base and platform is often very openly hostile to Hispanics and represents them in basically zero issues that they're interested in.

That's not to say that the Democrats are at any good at reaching out or connecting to Hispanic people, its just that theres not much an option when the GOP basically wants your existence to be erased from the country,will never consider you to be fully part of the United States and will often deny the issues the Hispanic community faces or turn it around and place the blame on them to avoid any policy decisions that may alienate their political base that doesn't care for Hispanic people.

I don't know how it is in your local politics, but the Republicans on a national level face a Catch 22: either push for border controls and lose a massive socially conservative voter base, or push for open borders and effectively disillusion the core of their Middle American voter base. As it stands, I don't see the GOP trying to deport all 35 million Mexican Americans, but on the other hand the Hispanic community should at least try to assimilate like everyone else did and accept reasonable border controls if you wish to maintain the US as it currently is.

Since I don't know much about Hispanic issues, what else besides immigration are the Republicans ignoring?

Isn't it kind of interesting how the US went to rabid anti-communist propaganda in schools to rabid communist propaganda?
I grew up in a country with an active communist party, and all we had to read was the Communist Manifesto. Marx wasn't given more space than Hume, Hobbes and actually less than others like Descartes (I had to read two in latin ffs ).

So what went wrong with you guys?

We stopped actively fighting the ideology after McCarthy was discredited. It probably didn't help that the KGB was actively infiltrating our academia.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I don't know how it is in your local politics, but the Republicans on a national level face a Catch 22: either push for border controls and lose a massive socially conservative voter base, or push for open borders and effectively disillusion the core of their Middle American voter base. As it stands, I don't see the GOP trying to deport all 35 million Mexican Americans, but on the other hand the Hispanic community should at least try to assimilate like everyone else did and accept reasonable border controls if you wish to maintain the US as it currently is.

For a while they were making considerable inroads with Hispanics, Dubya got like 44% of it in 04 and they've just been dropping the ball ever since.

I identify as a Republican but The Donald is fucking up hardcore. IMO a blanket amnesty for people who have been here roughly a decade or 15 years with a clean record seems fair enough. Latinos work hard and assimilate more than people give them credit for, but border security is an undeniable issue. Can't just have coyotes and drug runners marching back and forth as they please. I would set up a much larger manned border security.

Little Marco should've won

 

[Lysol]

IMO a blanket amnesty for people who have been here roughly a decade or 15 years with a clean record seems fair enough.

Yeah, let's just go ahead and put a statute of limitations on illegal immigration, it's not like that's an unbelievably shitty idea or anything.

 

[Spooky]

As a Mexican man who lives in a heavily Hispanic county in the United States, It doesn't help that the GOP's political base and platform is often very openly hostile to Hispanics and represents them in basically zero issues that they're interested in.

That's not to say that the Democrats are at any good at reaching out or connecting to Hispanic people, its just that theres not much an option when the GOP basically wants your existence to be erased from the country,will never consider you to be fully part of the United States and will often deny the issues the Hispanic community faces or turn it around and place the blame on them to avoid any policy decisions that may alienate their political base that doesn't care for Hispanic people.

The Democrats have been shifting toward being an explicitly antiwhite party as a whole while Republicans have been shifting toward being an implicitly prowhite party. It's identity politics playing out on a national level since there 1. is no longer a supermajority and 2. social instirutions like bowling clubs and adult clubs have been faltering.

You can tell Sargon is trying to tap into this issue, but he really jusy comes off as conceited.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Yeah, let's just go ahead and put a statute of limitations on illegal immigration, it's not like that's an unbelievably shitty idea or anything.

Yeah, that Reagan cuck was a real soy faggot now that I'm thinking about it...