Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

Would you rape Jess Phillips


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Saying "you shouldn't tell a woman you wouldn't rape her if you don't want to be known as a creep who brings up rape for no good reason" is common sense, specifically part of the basic human politeness package
It wasn't for no reason and she doesn't deserve to be treated politely. Are you a liberal? politeness is a privilege not a right. I don't accept liberal value "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all" = lack of accountability. And honestly after what Jess Philips has said and done, she deserves a straight up slapping, not even a rape joke. Even the Muslim community hates her.

Carl needs to say "Looking back, if I had to do it over, I probably wouldn't have made that tweet" and then never talk about it again and answer questions about it with responses to questions that weren't even asked. If he wants to stay in politics instead of staying in shitlording. Which is probably not even on his fat, fat table after the drubbing he got
My response would be, "okay then what would you have said instead." Still gonna have to be double down on her being an rude bitch. Anything less is cucking on masculinity.

You seem to be missing the big picture. Are you trying to win an election or win the culture war? Sargon can win elections if he just acts like a standard politician BUT that doesn't move the overton window, doesn't change the culture war. To win the culture war, you gotta fight some of these battles and change the minds of people.

Comparisons between Trump and Carl are especially invalid. Trump started with 35 or so years of goodwill and mass media ubiquity as capital to burn to get where he did. Carl started as a fat weirdo who's notably mad at women and makes weird rape comments
True but Trump also cucked on a lot of issues and look at his presidency. Sure he won the battle (election) but he lost the war because he cucked on too many issues.

I'm outright saying you wouldn't be spewing this shit given current times if you were paying your own rent or looking after your own responsibilities (ie. paying for a family or paying off a mortgage). None of it matters. Sperging about a culture war fought entirely on twitter or in academia is juvenile given current happenings, no matter what side of the debate you place yourself. Either grow some pubes and come back to me when you do, or if you've already got them well I don't know what to say, besides I'm truly and deeply sorry.

Every movie depicts feminism. Our birthrates are in the toilet. We're being made minorities in our nations. We live in fear of saying the wrong words that offend the liberals and/or getting a civil rights / title ix lawsuit. Look if you want the maximize the economy. vote troy or labour. Dissident politics is beyond just maximize GDP.
 
It wasn't for no reason and she doesn't deserve to be treated politely. Are you a liberal? politeness is a privilege not a right. I don't accept liberal value "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all" = lack of accountability. And honestly after what Jess Philips has said and done, she deserves a straight up slapping, not even a rape joke. Even the Muslim community hates her.


My response would be, "okay then what would you have said instead." Still gonna have to be double down on her being an rude bitch. Anything less is cucking on masculinity.

You seem to be missing the big picture. Are you trying to win an election or win the culture war? Sargon can win elections if he just acts like a standard politician BUT that doesn't move the overton window, doesn't change the culture war. To win the culture war, you gotta fight some of these battles and change the minds of people.


True but Trump also cucked on a lot of issues and look at his presidency. Sure he won the battle (election) but he lost the war because he cucked on too many issues.



Every movie depicts feminism. Our birthrates are in the toilet. We're being made minorities in our nations. We live in fear of saying the wrong words that offend the liberals and/or getting a civil rights / title ix lawsuit. Look if you want the maximize the economy. vote troy or labour. Dissident politics is beyond just maximize GDP.
I really am sorry dude. Truly, things must suck.
 
It wasn't for no reason and she doesn't deserve to be treated politely. Are you a liberal? politeness is a privilege not a right. I don't accept liberal value "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all" = lack of accountability. And honestly after what Jess Philips has said and done, she deserves a straight up slapping, not even a rape joke. Even the Muslim community hates her.


My response would be, "okay then what would you have said instead." Still gonna have to be double downing on her being an rude bitch. Anything less is cucking on masculinity.

You seem to be missing the big picture. Are you trying to win an election or win the culture war? Sargon can win elections if he just acts like a standard politician BUT that doesn't move the overton window, doesn't change the culture war. To win the culture war, you gotta fight some of these battles and change the minds of people.


True but Trump also cucked on a lot of issues and look at his presidency. Sure he won the battle (election) but he lost the war because he cucked on too many issues.

You are ascribing higher motives to a shitlord who has well documented problems with women than exist. There was no reason to jump to rape. There was no real reason for Carl to even insert himself in that situation, he does commentary (poorly) and rarely interacts with the people he comments on

You can disagree with people in a civil manner. Bringing up rape for no reason and winking at your legions of retarded followers that they totally shouldn't join in on the rape tweet train is not civil. In fact, it makes you look pretty bad

Your position is patently dumb. This isn't a culture war issue, it's a being a retard on the internet while expecting people to not call you a retard issue
 
I really am sorry dude. Truly, things must suck.
sarcasm is lowest form of humor. look if you want to max GDP, vote mainstream politician, idk why you're here.

You are ascribing higher motives to a shitlord who has well documented problems with women than exist. There was no reason to jump to rape. There was no real reason for Carl to even insert himself in that situation, he does commentary (poorly) and rarely interacts with the people he comments on

You can disagree with people in a civil manner. Bringing up rape for no reason and winking at your legions of retarded followers that they totally shouldn't join in on the rape tweet train is not civil. In fact, it makes you look pretty bad

Your position is patently dumb. This isn't a culture war issue, it's a being a retard on the internet while expecting people to not call you a retard issue
I don't disagree with your assessment of Sargon and I wouldn't have made that same joke but he did and he needed to deal with the gaffe and that's part of being a politician and I don't think this gaffe was fatal. Quote frankly, this is low tier compared to the nigger comment. With that said, I do this is still a culture war issue. it is part of the war against toxic masculinity.
 
sarcasm is lowest form of humor. look if you want to max GDP, vote mainstream politician, idk why you're here.


I don't disagree with your assessment of Sargon and I wouldn't have made that same joke but he did and he needed to deal with the gaffe and that's part of being a politician and I don't think this gaffe was fatal. Quote frankly, this is low tier compared to the nigger comment. With that said, I do this is still a culture war issue. it is part of the war against toxic masculinity.
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm being earnestly sincere.
 
sarcasm is lowest form of humor. look if you want to max GDP, vote mainstream politician, idk why you're here.


I don't disagree with your assessment of Sargon and I wouldn't have made that same joke but he did and he needed to deal with the gaffe and that's part of being a politician and I don't think this gaffe was fatal. Quote frankly, this is low tier compared to the nigger comment. With that said, I do this is still a culture war issue. it is part of the war against toxic masculinity.

Every dumb thing Carl has said was thrown out there in the initial flurry of hit pieces. Rape tweet was the one that people clicked on, so it took off. The "nigger comment" would have been immediate political suicide in America. The word has somewhat less baggage outside of the perceived home of black slavery

It's not culture war. Putting himself into the context of an election where character assassination is among the first things on the menu and not expecting exactly this considering the considerable war chest full of political suicide bombs Carl has collected was folly. Literally everyone but Carl saw how this would play out as soon as he even dipped his toes into politics

Carl has spent a lot of time tailoring his image to cater to a deeply unlikable segment of the internet (by normies) and has become deeply unlikable as a result. Attempting to brush things off as comedy when he hadn't once told a recognizable joke until the "blooper reel" reeks of disingenuousness. Any one of his gaffes was fatal. For him. Anyone else could have found a way to move past one, perhaps two of his gaffes
 
sarcasm is lowest form of humor.
how old are you? trolling is soo 2005. you're just wasting your own time trolling.
Spoken like a true philistine.
Anyway, you seem to be stuck on this thread's consensus that the rape joke thing was a terrible idea and was a high contributor to Sargon's political failure. See, I agree with you that it's a red herring, but what I think and what you think is irrelevant in this situation, because while you and I both know that the rape tweet was just a dumb joke that the media hammered to hell in order to discredit Carl (as if he needed help), there are billions more people on this planet than just the two of us and a good portion of them take politics at face value.
The reason Carl failed and will continue to fail is not just because he can't get in touch with the common voter or that he's a nobody even outside of the grand scheme of things. No, Carl's problem is much worse, something that I think you would identify with; he has no idea what the fuck he's talking about at any given moment in time, but he thinks that he does, which is a very dangerous and pitiable state to exist in.
 
To win the culture war, you gotta fight some of these battles and change the minds of people.
He didn’t win anything. He made anti-SJW activism into a bigger laughing stock than it already was. The only minds he changed were making more people wake up to the fact he’s a bloviating, pseudo-intellectual faggot.

Are you a @debatelimination sock? I hope you are, because it would be depressing to realise there’s someone else out there who sucks Carl’s cock this hard.
 
It wasn't for no reason and she doesn't deserve to be treated politely. Are you a liberal? politeness is a privilege not a right. I don't accept liberal value "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all" = lack of accountability. And honestly after what Jess Philips has said and done, she deserves a straight up slapping, not even a rape joke. Even the Muslim community hates her.

It's not even about what Jess Philips 'deserves' and entirely about earning a sense of legitimacy and trust from the people. Trump can afford to be rude to his opposition because his ability to lead and handle the public spotlight was never in any doubt after being a public figure, business leader, and media star for decades. Jess Philips isn't even that horrendous a woman, she's just an annoying loudmouth and a politician and yes, that does mean if you want to be a politician you have to afford her a certain degree of politesse. People don't want to watch the leaders of their country getting into petty slapfights over whether or not you might try and slip your cock into her.

My response would be, "okay then what would you have said instead." Still gonna have to be double down on her being an rude bitch. Anything less is cucking on masculinity.

Their response to that would be "Well, I certainly wouldn't have implied I have an urge to rape." and you'd look a fool. Sargon was completely in the wrong in saying that 'Jess Philips laughed at male suicide', the mention of male suicide in the conversation came after she laughed. I don't think she was right to laugh at International Mens Day but trying to double down on these comments is just retarded, you should just say; "These were comments I made as a comedian, and don't reflect me as a politician. I leave it up to the public to decide whether or not my comments as a comedian were funny or not." That way you're not walking back your words, you're establishing that you're here as a legitimate political force, and you can just fall back on that line to defend yourself and the media will get tired of asking because they won't get anything else out of you.

You seem to be missing the big picture. Are you trying to win an election or win the culture war? Sargon can win elections if he just acts like a standard politician BUT that doesn't move the overton window, doesn't change the culture war. To win the culture war, you gotta fight some of these battles and change the minds of people. True but Trump also cucked on a lot of issues and look at his presidency. Sure he won the battle (election) but he lost the war because he cucked on too many issues.

Firstly, Sargon can't win elections. He's a joke here, and he was always going to be a joke regardless of the media because he's a brainlet with no real ideas. Secondly, winning an election and the 'culture war' aren't two separate things. You have to hold a platform to broadcast your message from, and to act as a source of legitimacy for your voice. And what battles did Sargon really fight? He played defence the whole time, and that shit makes you look weak. His own party betrayed him on more than one occassion, all because Sargon decided to 'fight back' against the 'dirty dirty smear merchants' instead of staying on-message and working closely with the community he was meant to be representing.

Sargon will never win anything or be anything but a negative force for the right in Britain because Sargon stands for literally nothing. Sargon is entirely defined by the things he rejects or hates, than the things he accepts or likes. That's why he's popular today, whilst people are generally displeased with the way the world is. But if the pendulum ever swung the other way and society put Sargon in a position of power, he'd have no clue what to do with that power. Look at the Liberalists website, it reads like what a child would write as a series of political ideas, there's no nuance or thought to the reality of these political ideas, and most of them emerge from Sargons own disdain for the opposition rather than from a firm belief in any actual ideals. The man joined UKIP as a gotcha, and even said in an interview on what he would do as an MEP: "Well, what can an MEP really do?" Sargon is a joke, and anyone who wants to 'fight the culture war' would be wise to keep Sargon the fuck away from their movement.
 
"These were comments I made as a comedian, and don't reflect me as a politician. I leave it up to the public to decide whether or not my comments as a comedian were funny or not." That way you're not walking back your words, you're establishing that you're here as a legitimate political force, and you can just fall back on that line to defend yourself and the media will get tired of asking because they won't get anything else out of you.

That doesn't work for Carl who only started claiming to be a comedian after people on national television called him a dirty rape merchant. Had he gotten any sort of success with that line of defense, the media's immediate gambit would be to play the "oh, now you're a comedian? I'm a bit confused here because you've been claiming to be a serious political activist for for four years. How do I tell which of your statements are serious and which are comedy? Give me an example of a statement you made that you claim to be comedy that wasn't so over the line that you faced outrage for it?" card. Dank gets to play the "it was a joke, duh" card. Carl doesn't

Carl's best option was the classic non-apology that people should learn on day one of politics school. "The tweet is made and I can't undo it at this point, but I've certainly learned a lesson (don't specify the lesson, leave it open to interpretation. Your enemies can take it as a lesson about making rape jokes, your supporters can take it as a lesson about hysterical overreaction being a headache. The far more important group, the undecided, can hopefully take it as a man sort of owning up to something dumb he did in the past) and wouldn't make a tweet like that in the future"

He would have Benjamin-ed it up without doubt, but that was a path to putting it behind him and talking about anything in the world other than rape for the rest of the campaign. "I've already made my statement to the media about that, my stance is unchanged"

Like, the rape thing was funny; but also a really stupid idea.

Well yeah. Hilarious. For us. But not in the way that Carl wanted it to be
 
Sargon's Teespring was taken down for using the "star wars font" and says Teespring Support has been unhelpful. Sargon claims the shirt was first removed and then his account was deleted for putting the shirt back up again which he denies doing.
Damn, how is he going to fund his new Media venture without all those Teespring sales.

He needs to take a fucking clue and realize that tech is going to squeeze him out.
 
Show of hands who's going to download all of his videos? I wanna see the best moments like his rape comment in the public view.
 
@instythot @Banworld I feel like you guys are preaching to the choir. I agree with most of your takes but I disagree on a few key points. A huge part of the rape joke incident was that he used a politically incorrect term. "Is it okay to joke about rape?" The answer to this question HAS TO BE YES. No difference saying rape vs retard vs faggot. A huge part of the liberal agenda is censorship, censoring anything mean that could hurt a person's feeling. No. you gotta be able to hurt the feelings of people that deserve. That's the point of saying offensive things. Once they censor 1 word, they go to censoring the next. That's why even tho this joke was not the best idea, it's still 1 he needed to defend.
 
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