Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

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KuwabaraTheMan said:
Music, art, sports, they all cost money now. If you're an average working shmoe living in Nowhere, TX you can't expect your kids to become talented stars by just playing the family piano or throwing a pigskin around the backyard. No, you gotta get lessons. And lessons cost money. Everyone else is training their asses off, so your kids have to as well or else forget about it. Gone are the days when you can be a star just by believing in yourself and trying really hard.
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I feel like this is both true and false. In the digital age, getting into arts literally could not be easier. There are countless, COUNTLESS FOSS and tools for any painting, image, video, musical need, and if not then sailing the seas for it is also quite trivial (This also rings true for any learning material for it). The real cost of course is time and how much of it you are willing to spend on it to refine your skills. There's a multitude of factors that can effect how much one really spends on it, maybe you're a deadend wagie making it paycheck by paycheck and sleeping once you get home, maybe you're a parent who has no time to engage with being creative, maybe you're just lazy and not really feeling it. Either way, "getting gud" is definitely a huge time sink that some people don't have room to schedule in.
And don't think "being an animator" is enough to get you into "The Industry", no they expect you to have a multilevel set of skills on you (video editing, audio engineering, storyboarding, etc etc) for companies to think you're worthy of hiring, so add those on top of "getting gud" at the arts.
 
Colon capital V said:
And don't think "being an animator" is enough to get you into "The Industry", no they expect you to have a multilevel set of skills on you (video editing, audio engineering, storyboarding, etc etc) for companies to think you're worthy of hiring, so add those on top of "getting gud" at the arts.
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That's another part of it. The industry really expects you to be a jack-of-all-trades, while being a master of all of them. But as we know from the saying, that's close to impossible.
 
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Buttercup, pack the French fries you are going to McDonald's with Kyle Carrozza flipping burgers and serving drinks with the angry moms fighting over the last toys and pickles. Chris DeRose is a useful pedophile who’s only work for fame is SpongeBob if you can call that “work”.
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New origin story for the monkey. He got scammed out of 20 dollars from a YouTube slop channel.
 
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What I don't get is how we can consume art on such an industrial scale, yet art itself seems harder to sustain yourself on than ever. You can have entertainment companies like Disney and Netflix be the highest valued in the world. The easiest point in history for obtaining an audience and income stream in history. Tools that people in the past could only dream of. And yet art remains something so unprofitable most are just told to not bother.

How come western video games and western youtubers/streamers aren't in such terrible danger like western animators? How come the dude who makes the 8 hour youtube video essay slop makes more money than the man who made the show itself?
 
xXthrowawayaccountXx said:
How come western video games and western youtubers/streamers aren't in such terrible danger like western animators?
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Easier and faster to pump out than being an artist/animator. Just boot up OBS, record yourself screaming and playing and have a bit of editing knowledge to put it together. Games are something of a more serious artform where people really care about playing it themselves and replaying it, something you can interact with instead of sitting and consuming it as is.

Unless you're a xitter porn artist (which also isn't the goldmine people think it is), producing art is a very huge timesink with an extremely low RoI for the creator.
 
Rome's rightful successor said:
Wait? KickStarter is still a thing? I thought everyone wised up after every fraudulent kickstarter campaign 11 years ago.
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It almost never works out for people. The reason why this even exists in the first place is due to a guy who worked on paw patrol wanted to start his own production company for animation with his brother. He linked up with a girl he knew that was trying to get her foot in the door doing music production. They made this bullshit pilot to try to get people to join their production company, and set the bar super high (100k) knowing it would fail. Really I feel like these guys just played this chick to grift some talent. The "all POC production" thing kind of falls to crumbles when your show is written, voiced and produced by a canadian white woman.

I don't get why you would need to call your business "black owned" when you are two literal brothers who are black. It's not like you're ordering doordash from a burger joint, we have eyes and can see that you're black that's good enough.
 
Colon capital V said:
And don't think "being an animator" is enough to get you into "The Industry", no they expect you to have a multilevel set of skills on you (video editing, audio engineering, storyboarding, etc etc) for companies to think you're worthy of hiring, so add those on top of "getting gud" at the arts.
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I wonder how common this is outside of animation and if it ties into everything sounding like shit for ages
 
S@credC said:
Part of that is skewed expectations.

Art used to take longer, and people understood that. Now, in the age of instant gratification, even with all sorts of shortcuts to making art, it's still not fast enough.
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It also doesn't help that audiences are conditioned to think the shit is free with streaming and all :D
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
I wonder how common this is outside of animation and if it ties into everything sounding like shit for ages
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In music it's been a nepo baby world for the past 25 years. Since The Strokes basically. Rich kids rule everything, got much much worse over the pandemic as a large portion of mid-level venues were closed down or bought out by large firms. It's embarrassing when artists are putting out music, getting numbers on spotify and apple music, but then do not tour/ promote nor engage in any kind of scene whatsoever besides their little online niche. This leads down to the pathway of the only people capable of making it a living are people who didn't need to work to begin with, or would be sent off to do something more important with their time.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
I wonder how common this is outside of animation and if it ties into everything sounding like shit for ages
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FWIW when I went to college, I entered it wanting to do some animation, though it was like one or two classes spread out throughout the film and video department, and it was the post-production route. I had at least two audio engineering classes (we used Pro Tools and were in an actual control room for the second audio class), so there is some overlap since, well, you have to record voices, music, and foley (though I assume everyone's using the same royalty free music and sound-effects in cartoons nowadays) for film and be able to splice them into the footage while also balancing out stereo, and with surround sound, it makes the illusion you, the viewer, is there in person. Problem is no one's listening to the recordings while they're looking at the lines and punching in numbers on the screen.
 
Why... after all the years of back and fourth about Korra's flaws and low viewership would you lean HARDER into the tumblr-isms?

This isn't even original, "young disabled girl that is also a prodigy from the earth kingdom" is already a fucking main character in this series. She literally looks like an OC.
 
MaximKnight76 said:
Wtf is this piece of shit ?
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The next canonical show in the Avatar universe, following the Avatar after Korra.


(Also despite mechs, radios, cars, electrical generators, and spirit-energy weapons all being invented in Korras time, the next Avatar who knows how many decades after her apparently has to use a fucking pirate pegleg.)
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
(Also despite mechs, radios, cars, electrical generators, and spirit-energy weapons all being invented in Korras time, the next Avatar who knows how many decades after her apparently has to use a fucking pirate pegleg.)
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Apparently, they've decided to go the post-apocalyptic route, effectively retconning the advances made in Korra's time. It's the most boring route they could have taken —it's basically a clean slate instead of building on anything they established previously. A sci-fi version of Avatar would have been more interesting, imho.
 
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