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I think we'll probably see bootleg SHAFT before bootleg Trigger. Shaft does a lot more of that ultra flat late 90s/early 2000s anime style that would translate from the flat western bean style better. Trigger just has too much flair and an actual animation budget.
Which makes me think, Trigger artstyle (particularly Little Witch Academia and Luluco) is the Cal Arts of anime, it isn't as bad and has some effort into it sure, but it is much more simple than most other anime and has the same type of autism surrounding it.

At least it doesn't dominate the anime industry as the standard.
 
Which makes me think, Trigger artstyle (particularly Little Witch Academia and Luluco) is the Cal Arts of anime, it isn't as bad and has some effort into it sure, but it is much more simple than most other anime and has the same type of autism surrounding it.

At least it doesn't dominate the anime industry as the standard.
One thing I like about Trigger is that they don't seem to include nearly as much CGI in their shit as a lot of other anime studios do, or at least they're better at hiding it because ho boy does eastern CGI look like dog ass. You can say the Trigger's style is bland or generic but man when it's moving does it look good. Which is actually another reason why I see the SHAFT style being copied long before Trigger's.
 
One thing I like about Trigger is that they don't seem to include nearly as much CGI in their shit as a lot of other anime studios do, or at least they're better at hiding it because ho boy does eastern CGI look like dog ass. You can say the Trigger's style is bland or generic but man when it's moving does it look good. Which is actually another reason why I see the SHAFT style being copied long before Trigger's.
I was talking to someone who dabbles in 2D animation a while back and he's a huge fan of Trigger. Their style isn't simple just to save on money, it's because they put a ton of work into the animation itself. Shit moves in the animations they produce, and their smear frames are legendary. Just look at these:

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Yeah, their art style could be a lot more complex. Yeah, they're cutting corners. But they're cutting corners with a purpose. They're following very classic animation techniques that companies like Disney have been using for 99 years now. Case in point:

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And if you compare the level of detail on an average frame from Little Witch Academia to an older hand-animated flagship Disney movie like Aladdin... it's really not that big a gap. They traded detail for ease of animation. Meanwhile, a lot of beanface animation is just flat objects moving around with only the faces being truly hand-animated. The guys who made the Speed Racer cartoon would be fucking proud.
 
I was talking to someone who dabbles in 2D animation a while back and he's a huge fan of Trigger. Their style isn't simple just to save on money, it's because they put a ton of work into the animation itself. Shit moves in the animations they produce, and their smear frames are legendary. Just look at these:

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Yeah, their art style could be a lot more complex. Yeah, they're cutting corners. But they're cutting corners with a purpose. They're following very classic animation techniques that companies like Disney have been using for 99 years now. Case in point:

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And if you compare the level of detail on an average frame from Little Witch Academia to an older hand-animated flagship Disney movie like Aladdin... it's really not that big a gap. They traded detail for ease of animation. Meanwhile, a lot of beanface animation is just flat objects moving around with only the faces being truly hand-animated. The guys who made the Speed Racer cartoon would be fucking proud.
There's just no way that a western studio is going to do that, they don't animate their own shit to begin with and getting that quality of movement and dynamic action from outsourced Korean studios working on the cheap just isn't a formula that will produce success with that animation style.
 
All this talk about cartoon artstyles and bean mouth reminded me of this infamous /co/ Bauhaus rant:
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When I first saw it, I thought that this anon was reading way too deep, and the main purpose of any simple artstyle is to save money and easily get a replacement artist if needed, since it doesn't require as much effort and skill.
Although it all makes me wonder what would this person think nowadays with the increasing prevalence of the flat corporate alegria style.
 
When I first saw it, I thought that this anon was reading way too deep, and the main purpose of any simple artstyle is to save money and easily get a replacement artist if needed, since it doesn't require as much effort and skill.
Honestly that kind of proves his point, there is no style substance or soul to a piece of art when literally anybody could have made it.
 
Next cartoon art style phase is going to be bootleg Trigger mark my words. It's the only possible evolution.
I think we'll probably see bootleg SHAFT before bootleg Trigger.
No, it's going to be Masaaki Yuasa faggots. Dude has an "unconventional" anime style that characterizes the minimalist/flat art look more often than not, and every single one of his anime he heralds gets hyped to hell and back even if they're actually complete shit at the end of the day (not all of his anime are shit, mind you, but he comes off as a pretentious art snob more often than not).

I was talking to someone who dabbles in 2D animation a while back and he's a huge fan of Trigger. Their style isn't simple just to save on money, it's because they put a ton of work into the animation itself. Shit moves in the animations they produce, and their smear frames are legendary.
When one of your co-founders is Hiroyuki Imaishi, who has made it perfectly clear he watches and adores Western cartoons, that's to be expected they're going to want their animators to put in smear frames.
 
All this talk about cartoon artstyles and bean mouth reminded me of this infamous /co/ Bauhaus rant:

When I first saw it, I thought that this anon was reading way too deep, and the main purpose of any simple artstyle is to save money and easily get a replacement artist if needed, since it doesn't require as much effort and skill.
Although it all makes me wonder what would this person think nowadays with the increasing prevalence of the flat corporate alegria style.
Only thing that this teaches me is that /co/ really wants you to believe that they know more than the current people that run the cartoon industry. Granted, they are sometimes right, but instances like these are why I understand why I took breaks off of lurking on their board for months.
 
It's nice to see old hands like Craig get to work on the properties they created again like OG PPG. Granted the flipside to that is his more recent stuff like Kid Cosmic came and went without much notice, but work is work.
 
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If I ever get any kind of power, this will be my pedo test. Draw me a basic character and if you draw one of these crimes against art it's straight to Nonce Island with you.
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It's nice to see old hands like Craig get to work on the properties they created again like OG PPG. Granted the flipside to that is his more recent stuff like Kid Cosmic came and went without much notice, but work is work.
Be fair though. With Kid Cosmic the background art is pretty good but the way they draw characters has this amazing property where it just passes right through your skull; Ready to be forgotten the moment you avert your eyes.
 
I always thought the beanmouth stuff came from Toriyama, personally.
Its an abominable mishmash of 1930s cartoons and anime. Every 10 or so years there is a flip-flop of styles fluctuating between more stylized proportions and realism. The predominant style of the 2010s is taking a bunch of visual traits found in anime like huge sparkling eyes and wide mouths and planting them on a body types with noodle limbs that wouldn't be out of place 90 years ago.

That's why I think something like Trigger is the next step. We're due for a influx of more realistically proportioned humans but the clear influence on the current industry is still anime the creators grew up on. Trigger maintains a more cartoony look and movement but is clearly Japanese. I also find it interesting they had multiple collaborations with Cartoon Network last decade.
 
That's why I think something like Trigger is the next step. We're due for a influx of more realistically proportioned humans but the clear influence on the current industry is still anime the creators grew up on. Trigger maintains a more cartoony look and movement but is clearly Japanese. I also find it interesting they had multiple collaborations with Cartoon Network last decade.
I think you might be on to something there.
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Honestly that kind of proves his point, there is no style substance or soul to a piece of art when literally anybody could have made it.
This definitely isn't a bug, it's a feature. Every single artist I've talked to has said that corporations haaate paying for decent art, as it's an intangible product that no one can set a price tag on. With a tangible product they can at least say "If the supplier charges us $50 for a roll of copper that's what it costs." Pay too much for a slick logo or whatever and you can bet the bean counters are going to notice. So if you can alter the aesthetics to a point where anyone with a basic understanding of computer-based art tools can make it, then every artist you have is disposable, meaning they can't get all uppity and ask for more money or what have you. If you want a similar example do you really think Javascript is objectively a superior programming language, or is it because it's so simple that even the pajeets and diversity hires can use it?
 
That's why I think something like Trigger is the next step. We're due for a influx of more realistically proportioned humans but the clear influence on the current industry is still anime the creators grew up on. Trigger maintains a more cartoony look and movement but is clearly Japanese. I also find it interesting they had multiple collaborations with Cartoon Network last decade.
Didn't Trigger also collaborate with Disney with a very mediocre new anime-inspired Star Wars series?
 
God, shit like this makes me wait with bated breath for the latest cultural shit. It’s got to be better than the degenerate lifestyles of clubbers and groomers, the politicizing of every hobby, and the unquestioning loyalty to government propaganda while ignoring real problems in society (crashing economy, felons are barred from voting or getting job licenses in some states, news media is becoming less trustworthy, etc).
 
God, shit like this makes me wait with bated breath for the latest cultural shit. It’s got to be better than the degenerate lifestyles of clubbers and groomers, the politicizing of every hobby, and the unquestioning loyalty to government propaganda while ignoring real problems in society (crashing economy, felons are barred from voting or getting job licenses in some states, news media is becoming less trustworthy, etc).
Glad we are addressing the real problems of the world in the cartoon industry thread. The world would be so much better if the worst people in it could participate in the political theater our betters put on for us or be put in positions of trust. Damn dude, you are retarded. This was a retarded take. I’m just assuming you are a felon because most people don’t feel the need to carry a torch for child molestors, murderers, and thieves of the highest order.

Modern animation is garbage and part of that is the art style but I think animation lost a lot of it’s soul when it started being done on computers. Nothing flows quite like those old Disney films and old timey animations and everything looks perfect (not actually perfect but without imperfections to give it the hand animated feel things used to have.)
 
Glad we are addressing the real problems of the world in the cartoon industry thread. The world would be so much better if the worst people in it could participate in the political theater our betters put on for us or be put in positions of trust. Damn dude, you are retarded. This was a retarded take. I’m just assuming you are a felon because most people don’t feel the need to carry a torch for child molestors, murderers, and thieves of the highest order.
The issue is that art is a funhouse mirror of the lives we live, whether that be the human experience or, in this case, the part of history we’re in. You get into a war that breaks the psyches of everyone involved, you get Dadaism. You lock everyone up when an Jacobian-era plague comes around, you get King Lear. You promote degeneracy, and you get degeneracy.

Update: Changed Elizabethan to Jacobian, since King Lear was written under King James VI and I, not Queen Elizabeth.
 
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