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Luca still sucked donkey balls.
At worst, Luca was boring. I stopped watching 20 minutes in and tried to find something else to watch that's worth something.
I still enjoyed it when I watched it with a friend. We were just pleasantly surprised since the beginning wasn't all that great and the fish-man designs bothered us. Once Luca started exploring land with his new friend, things picked up from there.
 
When I was told by a co-worker about both Turning Red and Luca, those both sounded more like something that'd come from Dreamworks and Blue Sky respectively. Yet the premises themselves ended up both on Pixar's lap. Both movies look uninspiring since they do look like they are coming from the crew of Steven Universe trying to mimic Miyazkai in CG, except both come across as them 'not getting it' on what made miyazkai's stuff good in the first place.
I'm not sure an American production company is capable of producing something like Whisper of the Heart or Only Yesterday for what are probably mostly cultural reasons. Something like Grave of the Fireflies would not make it past the pitch. American media can really hate 'quiet', introspective moments and small personal stories that don't ride on out of proportion conflict.
 
I don't plan on seeing either Luca or Turning Red. They don't interest me in the highest slightest. If I was a kid maybe, but now? No thanks.
I'm not sure an American production company is capable of producing something like Whisper of the Heart or Only Yesterday for what are probably mostly cultural reasons. Something like Grave of the Fireflies would not make it past the pitch. American media can really hate 'quiet', introspective moments and small personal stories that don't ride on out of proportion conflict.
American studios have been repeating themselves in the same cycle for the last few decades now. Its no surprise that people are enjoying stuff outside of the USA since they're being more experimental than say, making a show that looks like Rick and Morty but isn't but would get mistaken for it since it has a similar art style to it.
 
I'm not sure an American production company is capable of producing something like Whisper of the Heart or Only Yesterday for what are probably mostly cultural reasons. Something like Grave of the Fireflies would not make it past the pitch. American media can really hate 'quiet', introspective moments and small personal stories that don't ride on out of proportion conflict.
A movie like Grave of the Fireflies could get made but you'd have to pitch it with a topic that current year Hollywood would approve of and it would be pure Oscar-bait.
 
Honestly, the more that I look at this wallpaper for Luck:

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It honestly shocks me at how much this looks like a normal Disney movie even with the computer graphics and something made for Apple TV+ of all things. I’m willing to argue John Lasseter really made sure not to turn this into a Encanto or Turning Red.

I’d feel bad if I found out if the lead character turned out to be Rule 34’d. She seems, again, like a normal woman.
 
it's also an animated reboot of a "slighty obscure" (no clue if actually obscure or not) live action superhero parody series that I learned about before this thing came out through those old review articles of weird wacky shit that used to be all over the internet back in the late 2000s. Looking it up on youtube only brings up clips of this flash cartoon version now. I think the original was aimed at adults and was like from the 70s or 80s or some shit like that.
Please please pretty please tell me what the name of it was. (Or links to the clips you watched). I had no idea it was based on a reboot, but now you've got me intrigued.

Dirk made a piece of art on deviantart with characters that he hated. Shadow the hedgehog being one of them, and the funny thing about all of this? Is that there are people who are pissed about this particular comment he made on twitter all because what he commented about Shadow the hedgehogView attachment 3603497
One of the first lessons you learn on the internet is don't fuck with the Sonic fandom. They're like rabid animals and can smell blood in the water.

But seriously? Dirk couldn't even spend a minute of his day even looking up classic clips from Sonic Adventure 2 to understand why people like Shadow? (I think Scourge the Hedgehog would like to have a few words with Dirk.)
Smh, dude, at least bother to learn about the history of what you're trying to complain about before shit posting.

Well dude's won me over.
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Feel like I have seen his works around before. Real neat stuff.
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I forgot that the majority of the older Pixar movies originated from a 1994 lunch pitch. Explains why they ran out of good material now. Just goes to show that the newer movies are trying too hard to grift off the old ones instead of doing something daring like, idk, being original creative??

I still enjoyed it when I watched it with a friend. We were just pleasantly surprised since the beginning wasn't all that great and the fish-man designs bothered us. Once Luca started exploring land with his new friend, things picked up from there.
I have no interest in any of the New Pixar films. I bothered to see Finding Dory, Toy Story 4, and Lightyear because of nostalgia, but the rest of the movies were either so badly written or just pure cringe that it would probably make me visibly enraged if I watched them in a theater. At the best they were just 'meh'. A few jokes made me laugh, but New Pixar is not really worthy of any awards. (At least in the story-telling department).

If you wanna talk about fun animated films, compare Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse against New Pixar's recent work.
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They put a lot of thought into the entire film and it shows.
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Luck has been torn apart from the critics. I've even seen comments that say it looks like a mockbuster from Skydance.
Coming from the same animation studio responsible for "classics" like Wonder Park and Planet 51, yeah I'm not expecting anything worth a damn about Luck.
 
Honestly, the more that I look at this wallpaper for Luck:

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It honestly shocks me at how much this looks like a normal Disney movie even with the computer graphics and something made for Apple TV+ of all things. I’m willing to argue John Lasseter really made sure not to turn this into a Encanto or Turning Red.

I’d feel bad if I found out if the lead character turned out to be Rule 34’d. She seems, again, like a normal woman.
I just realized that has a "G" rating on the poster. Holy shit never thought I'd see that rating ever again.
 
Coming from the same animation studio responsible for "classics" like Wonder Park and Planet 51, yeah I'm not expecting anything worth a damn about Luck.
Appearently Skydance's next animated film is a purposed film from Brad Bird he tried to do with Warner Bros called 'Ray Gunn'. I don't know if that'll be any good or not. With the way skydance is heading. It'll be much better off at either Sony or a different studio to market that sort of type of film, a neo noir film.
 
Appearently Skydance's next animated film is a purposed film from Brad Bird he tried to do with Warner Bros called 'Ray Gunn'. I don't know if that'll be any good or not. With the way skydance is heading. It'll be much better off at either Sony or a different studio to market that sort of type of film, a neo noir film.
It's funny, Bird previously wanted to do a historical epic about the 1906 San Fransisco Earthquake for Warner Bros. (despite their fallouts during production of Iron Giant) throughout the 2000s. So him coming back to Warner Bros. just to do this makes me wonder whether or not this is a working title or a confirmed project of his other own film he's making.
 
Luck has been torn apart from the critics. I've even seen comments that say it looks like a mockbuster from Skydance.
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Sometimes you just have to look at who the director and writers are. Something got fucky during the movie's production, and that was probably right when Peggy came in. The writers themselves have a mixed bag, but when they wrote good scripts, they were damn good scripts.

The trailer itself didn't sell me on anything, in all honesty, I just think it kinda sucks it got thrown up onto streaming instead of being given a chance in theaters (especially with that budget of 140-200 mil like holy shit). My first thought is that maybe Disney paid off critics to give the movie negative reviews since Lasseter was put on as an animation director and you know for a fact people at Disney don't like him, but he didn't have much of any say in how the script was to go from the looks of it. Ray Gunn will be the make-or-break test given that Brad Bird is well-liked even among critics, and is working with Lasseter on it. If critics shit on his movie, something's afoot.

A friend's been curious about Luck so he may want me to watch it with him. I won't say no if he asks.
 
It's funny, Bird previously wanted to do a historical epic about the 1906 San Fransisco Earthquake for Warner Bros. (despite their fallouts during production of Iron Giant) throughout the 2000s. So him coming back to Warner Bros. just to do this makes me wonder whether or not this is a working title or a confirmed project of his other own film he's making.
So Bird wanted to make a movie about the earthquake at one point? That's a little interesting. Found an article that talks about Ray Gunn, its a neo film noir that Bird was going to make with Warner Bros in the 90s. From the looks of things, it was too 'outside the box' for Warner Bros's liking, and this was before Iron Giant.
 
Found an article that talks about Ray Gunn, its a neo film noir that Bird was going to make with Warner Bros in the 90s. From the looks of things, it was too 'outside the box' for Warner Bros's liking, and this was before Iron Giant.
Warner Bros. in general didn't seem like they were on good terms with Brad, like it has to be a miracle The Iron Giant was even produced. They ended up not treating it very well with the marketing back then, therefore causing it to be a box office disappointment, yet the movie would go on to be a very beloved classic as it made back its earnings in home media. WB regrets it now, but hindsight's 20/20, and I doubt that even them groveling at his feet was going to convince him to work for them again after that.
 
A'ight, I watched Luck. I will say that I do believe the critics are a bit too harsh, 'cause while it's not the greatest movie ever, I don't believe it's outright terrible. This was a movie with obvious production problems, and you can actually tell the parts where Lasseter was involved in oversight because the facial expressions and some other movements became more expressive and smooth. There's some real stiff-looking animation to the faces and such, something that was bothering me from the word "go" because the tone of voice rarely matched up to the facial expressions you'd expect them to make (though this may have been due to remote work during Covid).

The world-building needed more time in the oven, there's some interesting areas of the Land of Luck that definitely could've been played with whenever Sam's bad luck kicked in, and I like how good and bad luck mirror each other. Although, I have to wonder if the bad luck part of it was Lasseter's idea for the sake of balancing things out since some of the characters there imply a later production (simpler character models, John Ratzenberger's cameo, the character of Jeff the unicorn, the third act in general). Also figuring out Bob's identity was super easy because you just have to ask why the hell a Scottish black cat is named "Bob" and has a really crummy-sounding Scottish accent and that hole never goes away.

I dunno, I suppose I feel bad since this may be a younger crew who got screwed over by the pandemic (this is not the same crew behind Planet 51 for sure, but maybe they did with Wonder Park), and instead of the movie getting shown in theaters, it's shoved up onto Apple TV+ to be forgotten about with maybe a limited release in some theaters. My friend had a thought the negative feedback is because Lasseter was involved and Disney/the critics hate his guts, but I'm convinced that's not the case. I do believe it doesn't need to be ripped apart so rabidly, though.
 
Please please pretty please tell me what the name of it was. (Or links to the clips you watched). I had no idea it was based on a reboot, but now you've got me intrigued.
I literally can't find the clips anymore due to youtube's shitty current year auto-scroll algorithm suggestion shit that loops, There used to be a bunch of clips of the damn thing on youtube over 10 years ago. The flash cartoon one from some years ago is not "based on a reboot" it's just a reboot of the thing. The name of the original show was literally the same as the flash cartoon one, literally all I remember from what I saw of the thing was like the protagonist was like a fat mexican ron jeremy looking guy and he got the powers from eating some weird and gross looking thing I can't remember exactly what it was, though, since It's been over 10 fucking years since I saw the thing. If you dig deep enough you'll probably be able to find it but I can't fucking be assed to go searching for it again after failing the first time.
 
So Bird wanted to make a movie about the earthquake at one point? That's a little interesting. Found an article that talks about Ray Gunn, its a neo film noir that Bird was going to make with Warner Bros in the 90s. From the looks of things, it was too 'outside the box' for Warner Bros's liking, and this was before Iron Giant.

Warner Bros. in general didn't seem like they were on good terms with Brad, like it has to be a miracle The Iron Giant was even produced. They ended up not treating it very well with the marketing back then, therefore causing it to be a box office disappointment, yet the movie would go on to be a very beloved classic as it made back its earnings in home media. WB regrets it now, but hindsight's 20/20, and I doubt that even them groveling at his feet was going to convince him to work for them again after that.
Brad Bird had a lot of cancelled projects under his belt. He also pitched his movie idea for The Spirit (based on the classic Will Eisner comic book character) during the late-90s. Said movie would eventually be made under Frank Miller as director for Lionsgate in 2008, and that was a critical and commercial failure.
 
I remember hearing about Brad Bird wanting to do The Spirit from one of my co-workers. Who was quite upset that it didn't happen since he saw the pencil test trailer that was revealed sometime after Miller's film was released. I'm somewhat familiar with the comic it was based off of, and seeing the art that was produced for this proposed feature. Seemed like a perfect fit for Brad Bird rather than Frank Miller.
 
I remember hearing about Brad Bird wanting to do The Spirit from one of my co-workers. Who was quite upset that it didn't happen since he saw the pencil test trailer that was revealed sometime after Miller's film was released. I'm somewhat familiar with the comic it was based off of, and seeing the art that was produced for this proposed feature. Seemed like a perfect fit for Brad Bird rather than Frank Miller.
Yeah, Frank Miller's live-action take was disappointingly bad. Honest to god, I'm not against the idea of a live-action adaptation of The Spirit and having Frank Miller would seem like a perfect fit, but it felt missing and was trying too hard to be like his Sin City movie (co-directed with Robert Rodriguez). So honestly, good or bad, a traditionally animated version of the movie from Brad Bird is something I wanted to see because, yes, pencil test trailer looked great.
 
Shit, I remember watching that Tangled series with some of my younger cousins while babysitting and enjoyed it quite a bit. Glad he's getting work despite/in addition to Twitter spergs getting mad about it
 
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