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There was a lot to appreciate about the show but a lot of it was Fan Theory and not the show itself. Eg. The idea that gems were originally a Terraforming AI from a now dead civilization, which was just continuing its mission but had achieved a degree of self-awareness.
I always had this idea that gems had a predator species that hunted them down for their gems, hence the need to keep going planet to planet. I thought it'd be cool if they were doglike, that way they could be called "Rockhounds" like irl mineral/gem collectors. It's weird if there are only gems and humans and no other sapient alien species in the entire universe.
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Honestly, everyone gets hung up on "space hitlers" because the diamonds colonized planets, but word of god supposedly says humans were the first intelligent creatures gems ever saw, so how exactly are the diamonds THAT bad if they only ever killed caterpillars and bulbasaurs and shit and not people-like species? That's not Hitler, that's just whatever you call what we did to the Dodo bird (or any other species that's gone extinct thanks to human intervention.)
 
I always had this idea that gems had a predator species that hunted them down for their gems, hence the need to keep going planet to planet. I thought it'd be cool if they were doglike, that way they could be called "Rockhounds" like irl mineral/gem collectors. It's weird if there are only gems and humans and no other sapient alien species in the entire universe.
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Honestly, everyone gets hung up on "space hitlers" because the diamonds colonized planets, but word of god supposedly says humans were the first intelligent creatures gems ever saw, so how exactly are the diamonds THAT bad if they only ever killed caterpillars and bulbasaurs and shit and not people-like species? That's not Hitler, that's just whatever you call what we did to the Dodo bird (or any other species that's gone extinct thanks to human intervention.)
If they ever introduced a species for the gems to be at war with it should tie back to ronaldo and be the snake people as the sole thing he would have been right about. As a way to tie the beach city and human plots with the Gem and space magic plots.
 
How does one get involved with this kiwimation endeavor?
That's a good question. I could have sworn there was some way to make a sekret club chatroom thing on this website but I can't fucking remember how it works at all.
If you want to make a Kiwi cartoon studio remember the Number 1 rule : NO TRANNIES
The ability to just say no to trannies and genderspecials and have that be the end of it is one of the things I'm most looking forward to here
 
Society: No; Cope and Seethe, nigger. And kill yourself.

In the early seasons I appreciated how Steven acted like an actual child and not just "grown-up acting perfectly logically in a child's body." It's hard to explain that part without citing every specific, but he really felt like an actual child/actual human person. Throughout the entire show, however, there were a lot of high points. The music was good, the illustration in the backgrounds and the primary style were beautiful. Yes it's still got CalArts beanmouth, but look at the way characters' hands are drawn so intricately and technically, the way Pearl moves in three dimensions when she dances or fights, the way sloppy things are sloppy and floaty things are floaty. Rose's dress, flower petals, clouds/explosions, color palettes and set designs. The worldbuilding was phenomenal and sets were awe-inspiring at times (like the sky arena or the warp pads or when Lapis raised the whole ocean into space.) Steven Universe could be fucking stupid and poorly executed at times, but it could also be beautiful.
And when you get to the writing, holy shit the worldbuilding. Not just how cool gems are as a species/concept/whatever, but the way the story unfolded over time. You didn't get fed all the info in the first season, you learned what gems were, who our gems were, why they were here, what the war was, what the extent of it was, what/who the diamonds were, all this stuff over the course of years. Characters weren't 100% Good or Bad, they could be complicated! They could fucking suck! And the way that the gems' species allowed for both crazy cool weapons and beautiful transformations and absolutely horrifying body horror and all this other stuff, it all worked together so cool! THEN the way you could watch older episodes back and realize there was foreshadowing or something that you couldn't have known but now you see all of this was planned from the very beginning, that was awesome! It gave you REASONS to go back and watch reruns and old episodes instead of just throwing them out because they're not the latest release.
A lot of the stuff Steven Universe did well is stuff I'm sure anime already does/has done, but it just wasn't done in Western media. Especially Western media aimed "at kids," which encompasses literal toddler programming up to things like Batman TAS, which I'm sure you already know about why that's stupid and frustrating and how it kneecaps animation in the West. Steven Universe had a lot of problems, and some of it's because it was Rebecca Sugar's first show and I don't think she totally knew how to lead a big project like that, and some of it's because the Network didn't like the gay shit or wanted to force everyone to use the CN app so the airings were all fucked up and things were censored/couldn't be aired overseas, bla bla bla, and then some of it's because the animation industry is all liberal college people and it's gonna have Current Year woke shit in it because obviously. But despite that, I think Steven Universe was, at its best, a really fascinating, exciting, beautiful, awesome show that had artistic merit both as "just a cartoon aimed at kids" and as something that people poured their hearts and souls into.

Then there's the shit that appeals to me personally, like the fact everybody is a mineral. I'm huge into minerals, always have been, and so when Steven Universe came out it was like YOOO THAT'S MY THING!! Still drives me insane how they pronounced Lapis Lazuli and Peridot wrong, but whatever lol. And I can't fully powerlevel this one, so forgive me for how vague this sounds, but there's a thing I experience irl and have experienced my entire life that people don't really grok, but Steven Universe had it from the jump and it hit me like a brick shithouse. I never thought any media (let alone a cartoon on national TV) would ever mention [X], but Steven Universe had it front and center!! I'm not some kind of tumblrina who insists on being represented everywhere re: [X] because that would be weird, and I'm mature and get that my [X] isn't common and it's just a me problem and that's FINE, but to actually have someone else acknowledge my [X] was shocking in a good way. I remember working retail a couple years back when SU was still airing, and this little girl looks at me, looks back at her mom, and goes "Mommy look! She's [X] just like on Steven Universe!!" That interaction stuck out to me so much, I still think about it. My [X] isn't even some kind of big politicized deal, so if I feel like this over some small inconsequential thing, I can't imagine how it must feel for someone who's a lesbian space rock or an Indian swordfighter or some other actual thing represented in Steven Universe.
I only see it for the failure that it was: dangerhairs loved it. Perhaps I could see it for a Gravity Falls-lite, so maybe I am being a bit harsh, so I could imagine some younger folks liking it? So I am willing to give it the benefit, of course. It was perhaps one of the worse examples of "cartoons for 'adult children with political agendas' latching into kids shows, created by a jew woman with political agendas, that had a tard wrangling husband".
But seeing your critique, you know, I could see it with different lenses. Perhaps the strongest point was the worldbuilding and the "what could have been done with it". Sad!
You just start a PM chain and invite more people.
Then you start ERP-ing.
LoL, that's true...
 
I always had this idea that gems had a predator species that hunted them down for their gems, hence the need to keep going planet to planet. I thought it'd be cool if they were doglike, that way they could be called "Rockhounds" like irl mineral/gem collectors. It's weird if there are only gems and humans and no other sapient alien species in the entire universe.
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Honestly, everyone gets hung up on "space hitlers" because the diamonds colonized planets, but word of god supposedly says humans were the first intelligent creatures gems ever saw, so how exactly are the diamonds THAT bad if they only ever killed caterpillars and bulbasaurs and shit and not people-like species? That's not Hitler, that's just whatever you call what we did to the Dodo bird (or any other species that's gone extinct thanks to human intervention.)

TFW Steven universe could have been a cool sci-fi show and even create a mini franchise for kids. :(
 
TFW Steven universe could have been a cool sci-fi show and even create a mini franchise for kids. :(
It could have been if the woman who created the show wasn’t retarded.

One of the problems with modern animation is that it’s filled with women and autistic manchildren who are shitty writers.
 
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Honestly, everyone gets hung up on "space hitlers" because the diamonds colonized planets, but word of god supposedly says humans were the first intelligent creatures gems ever saw, so how exactly are the diamonds THAT bad if they only ever killed caterpillars and bulbasaurs and shit and not people-like species?
Agreed. It's because of this that I always thought the gems had an ill-conceived enviromental message more than anything else. A bunch of the structures they built reminded me of that kinda stuff too. Of course, there's also the experiments they made with the fragmented gems, which seem to lead on a more Mengele direction lol
 
Just gonna repost what I said in the Tumblr Files thread.
I actually watched the show as it aired after Jailbreak since that's when, like I said, you started seeing it everywhere. Personally, I really appriciated the dream-like aesthetics the show employed through its backgrounds and OST (courtesy of Aivi and Surasshu). I can fully understand all the criticisms people have of the show though, and I didn't like it as much as I did Gravity Falls or Regular Show. I still watched the show after the other two ended just out of curiosity, but I ultimately called it quits when they did Ruby & Sapphire's wedding. The massive hiatuses between episodes didn't help, either.
 
The background art looks nice, yes, but it's better for society to go back in time to make sure Steven Universe never gets made.
The background art isn't even as good as Disenchantment, a show that was literally about nothing, or Rick and Morty, a show that got taken over by people who hate it after Harmon ran out of script ideas.
 
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Just gonna repost what I said in the Tumblr Files thread.
It's kind of funny you stopped watching at the wedding, because I think the show itself ends like <10 episodes after that. CN held the show hostage and if they did the wedding, they only got a few episodes to wrap everything up. Same thing happened to the Owl House iirc, which I haven't watched but have seen 50 gorillion clips of uploaded to YouTube.
 
after Harmon ran out of script ideas
*roiland
Roiland wrote a lot more episodes than harmon at the start IIRC and then started running out of ideas by season 3-ish and eventually took a backseat doing only voices after that till harmon used the lawsuit thing as an excuse to backstab and take over everything.
 
You know what’s funny about said?

I’ve actually seen some Steven Universe AUs online that seemed way more interesting than the actual show.
That doesn't sound too difficult to do, just needs a bit of the ol 'tism, i've honestly considered trying my hand at a rewritten au but then realized i had much better things to do with my time.
 
Honest question, what about it did you like so much. Occasionally you'll see someone admitting to liking it but everything I've seen from that damn property really IS "everything wrong with the last 11 years".
I mean, I like shit that people accuse of being a blight on society but SU really seems to be on another level.
It has an all time winner for "most tragically underutilized setting." I'd say read a few chapters of this fanfic I found to show why:

The setting is almost 40k in nature. A widely sprawling empire that genocides any other species it comes across, which controls it's citizenry with an iron grip. You are quite literally molded into your role when you are born, with that possibly meaning having your whole existense being that of a slave, or just a toy that entertains someone. Gems can die in horrific ways, or be trapped for eternity, or harvested to make way for new ones by the absolute rule of their leaders, who are also the only ones who can allow the population to reproduce by right of blood. Even being turned into superweapons (still alive and thinking, by the way) in experiments. The "monsters" that the gems fight is just a result of a chemical weapon like that.

All that must sound awesome. Well, fuck you, you don't get to see any of that. Well, you do, you get little glimpses. The show almost tries to uphold it's end of the bargain. But right when you are about to get going with it, it cuts back to another fucking townie. It's a constant cocktease, especially when it could have gone years faster by just having it's main character ask basic questions. And, I mean this wholeheartedly, it was ruined by being woke. Every female character is forgiven for doig horrible things. People say that it's just the villains getting forgiven, but that's just a symptom of most of the villains being women. The main message of the show is to never challenge women, because they are not mentally capable enough to have consequences. The gems are allowed steven, despite almost murdering him on multiple occasions and being as mentally stable as a house of cards in a breeze. The White diamond, who is literally the top of the system and has been the root of all this pain and misery, just kinda rolls over after crying and everything is just declared okay. Seriously, go back and compare how the show treats a random dude who was a bad date and a southern farmer versus literal intergalactic warlords.
 
That doesn't sound too difficult to do, just needs a bit of the ol 'tism, i've honestly considered trying my hand at a rewritten au but then realized i had much better things to do with my time.
Fan art and fan fic are cancer. They rob you of your time and ideas and give you nothing that can materially benefit you in exchange. It’s a raw deal.

Anyone ever gets something rolling on the original animation front please include me in the DM chain. I don’t want to hear about the ERP though
 
Fan art and fan fic are cancer. They rob you of your time and ideas and give you nothing that can materially benefit you in exchange. It’s a raw deal.
Depends on if you can spin it off into something original.
Plenty of "original works" are poorly disguised fanfiction mashups when you get down to it.
 
Serious question. Is Cat noir the last male character in western animation that acted hypermasculine and aggressively flirted with girls
Miraculous Ladybug is a French production that's being coproduced with Toei's Euro division, a lot of SJW nonsense hasn't entered non-english speaking countries as hard as it has in the US, Canada, and UK.
 
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