Censoring a domain from the internet

[NetVet]

I'm not well versed in these topics but given what's happening in the world as of late, I'm beginning to be more interested by the hour. Can someone explain to me how are websites able to stay online if someone decides they're not PC anymore, which will soon become a normative reality of daily internet life in the coming future.

Say I own a website DatDere.com and someone finds it racists and of course antisemetic. From what I understand, it's either the host that will get hit with the warning to chop it off, so my files won't be anywhere anymore, or the registrar that converts numbers address into DatDere...right? And this seems pretty simple for draconian overlords to handle, so if someone could be so polite, how can sites stay up if anyone from the ADL sets their eyes and nose on them? First and most obvious thing is 4chan, or to be even more obvious, piratebay? They have been up since forever, and everyone knows what's the purpose of that site. So how come nobody was able to pull the plug on their registrar or host?

Please understand I have a very grim and fatalistic view on powers that be and I really can't believe that something like Piratebay or whatever stays up because of a legal loophole or something. Indulge me pls

 

[Bongocat]

Well, it can happen at different levels.

• They can contact cloudflare and get them to stop protecting you, at which point your site is defacto offline because everything is getting DDoSed all the time.
• They can contact the DNS and make it refuse to turn your web address into an IP address.
• They can contact your host provider and get them to delete your site.
• They can contact your data center and have them physically remove your computer from the building.
• If their nose REALLY glows, they can contact the owners of the internet backbone and get them to stop communicating with you... but I'm not sure that's ever happened before.

4chan and piratebay are not really on the same level. 4chan just has a tolerant hosting provider and they don't take up a lot of resources anyway. Plus, despite it's reputation, 4chan has fairly tight moderation on anything that could be actually illegal.

I'm not sure about the pirate bay, but allegedly they still use cloudflare. How that's possible I don't even know, but I once saw a highly upvoted reddit post explaining how saying the n word is worse than murdering your wife, so we live in clownworld and I don't even attempt to figure this shit out anymore.

 

[NetVet]

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking, once you're out there online with your IP address turned into cozy letters and a domain suffix you can be wiped out immediately on a whim of whoever, if you piss someone hard enough. The whole Cloudflare thing, and Ddos attack, those weren't really around before 5, 6 years ago? Or is it that those types of attack became much more prominent in recent history? And about Cloudflare, I always found it weird how they're the go-to place for perhaps the most important type of protection of your website, other than your server content being deleted by the admins, really cool to have such important feature monopolized by a single corporation that is susceptible to any command the ADL give them.

 

[Bongocat]

I always found it weird how they're the go-to place for perhaps the most important type of protection of your website, other than your server content being deleted by the admins, really cool to have such important feature monopolized by a single corporation that is susceptible to any command the ADL give them.

That's literally the entire technology field right now thanks to the US governments complete refusal to enforce monopoly rules. It's now to the point that silicon valley is regulating the government.

 

[DeadFish]

I'm not well versed in these topics but given what's happening in the world as of late, I'm beginning to be more interested by the hour. Can someone explain to me how are websites able to stay online if someone decides they're not PC anymore, which will soon become a normative reality of daily internet life in the coming future.

Say I own a website DatDere.com and someone finds it racists and of course antisemetic. From what I understand, it's either the host that will get hit with the warning to chop it off, so my files won't be anywhere anymore, or the registrar that converts numbers address into DatDere...right? And this seems pretty simple for draconian overlords to handle, so if someone could be so polite, how can sites stay up if anyone from the ADL sets their eyes and nose on them? First and most obvious thing is 4chan, or to be even more obvious, piratebay? They have been up since forever, and everyone knows what's the purpose of that site. So how come nobody was able to pull the plug on their registrar or host?

Please understand I have a very grim and fatalistic view on powers that be and I really can't believe that something like Piratebay or whatever stays up because of a legal loophole or something. Indulge me pls

Depends on your reason.
A really expensive option is use radio internet.
Use bbs bulletin boards.

There are peer to peer devices the size of a 9 volt. Cant find the video.

Use non net alternatives.
Like ham radio or go to a bar.
Pen pal.

Depends what you need an alternative for

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Depends on your reason.
A really expensive option is use radio internet.
Use bbs bulletin boards.

There are peer to peer devices the size of a 9 volt. Cant find the video.

Use non net alternatives.
Like ham radio or go to a bar.
Pen pal.

Depends what you need an alternative for

Realistically, how long would even a BBS survive on the internet these days before the usual suspects discovered it and rejoiced in the opening of a brand new lolicon trading board set up just for them?

 

[Bongocat]

Pen pal.

 

[NetVet]

peer to peer devices the size of a 9 volt

You mean walkie talkie?

 

[DeadFish]

You mean walkie talkie?

There was a youtibe video with an engineer building those devices but I cant find it. No. Not a walkie talkie. He makes them with a 3d printer and then drops them in random places. He wants people to have free internet.
Unsecured but hey...

 

[Lord Xenu]

You mean walkie talkie?

More than likely, it is a piratebox project.

It might be LORA-WAN or some kind of Packet radio setup. There are a lot of projects based on this kind of tech. The amateur radio scene is full of stuff like this right now.

You can basically transmit anything that is available on the internet using packet radio. The data rate is limited, but they are always improving the protocols.

Here is another interesting project (Othernet) involving similar tech, but it is not really useful for a person looking to avoid censorship (at least not in its current form).

 

[DeadFish]

Is pirate box useful for covering tracks?

 

[Lord Xenu]

Is pirate box useful for covering tracks?

I don't think so.

I haven't looked at the project in a few years, so it may have evolved into something different, but it was basically just an open wifi access point (like at a coffee shop or whatever) that is full of data for anyone to download and use.

Kind of a Network fileserver, with a web interface. There is lots of documentation on the site.

A PirateBox is a portable electronic device, often consisting of a Wi-Fi router and a device for storing information, creating a wireless network that allows users who are connected to share files anonymously and locally.[1] By design, this device is disconnected from the Internet.

The PirateBox was originally designed to exchange data freely under the public domain or under a free license.
From Wikipedia

I think probably the best bet for avoiding detection is to use tor or vpn, but those are not bulletproof when it comes to the US gov trying to find you. If this is something you are deeply concerned about, I highly recommend researching darknet drug transactions.

There was a subreddit (I think it was called r/DNM_noobs or something) full of decent advice that was killed a while back, but there will likely be good info archived. I used to read the forums for different darknet markets, and they were full of practical information. I haven't looked in a while, but they probably still are.

I attached their "Bible" but it has not been updated since 2018.

Another great source for security information are the big conferences (DefCon, CCC). There are plenty of talks in plain language that are geared towards non-professionals full of practical security information.

ETA: People who are supportive of anti-democrat politics need to start paying particular attention to post-911 tactics.

 

[Never Scored]

Realistically, how long would even a BBS survive on the internet these days before the usual suspects discovered it and rejoiced in the opening of a brand new lolicon trading board set up just for them?

There are a few active BBSes and none of them have any kind of porn AFAIK. People just play door games on them.

If shit got really fucked, you could go really old school and set up something like a dial-up BBS. AFAIK the government can't wiretap a phone call without a warrant. Using a dial up modem to call another computer is just a phone call.