Changes at Basecamp - No more societal and political discussions on our company Basecamp account


At Basecamp, we treat our company as a product. It's not a rigid thing that exists, it's a flexible, malleable idea that evolves. We aren't stuck with what we have, we can create what we want. Just as we improve products through iteration, we iterate on our company too.

Recently, we've made some internal company changes, which, taken in total, collectively feel like a full version change. It deserves an announcement.

In the product world, not all changes are enjoyed by all customers. Some changes are immediately appreciated. Some changes take time to steep, settle in, and get acquainted with. And to some, some changes never feel quite right — they may even be deal breakers.

The same is true when changing your company, except that the customers are the employees. And when you get to a certain count — customers or employees or both — there's no pleasing everyone. You can't — there are too many unique perspectives, experiences, and individuals.

As Huxley offers in The Doors of Perception, "We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves. The martyrs go hand in hand into the arena; they are crucified alone. Embraced, the lovers desperately try to fuse their insulated ecstasies into a single self-transcendence; in vain. By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude."

Heavy, yes, but insightful, absolutely. A relevant reminder. We make individual choices.

We all want different somethings. Some slightly different, some substantially. Companies, however, must settle the collective difference, pick a point, and navigate towards somewhere, lest they get stuck circling nowhere.

With that, we wanted to put these directional changes on the public record. Historically we've tried to share as much as we can — for us, and for you — so this transmission continues the tradition.

1. No more societal and political discussions on our company Basecamp account. Today's social and political waters are especially choppy. Sensitivities are at 11, and every discussion remotely related to politics, advocacy, or society at large quickly spins away from pleasant. You shouldn't have to wonder if staying out of it means you're complicit, or wading into it means you're a target. These are difficult enough waters to navigate in life, but significantly more so at work. It's become too much. It's a major distraction. It saps our energy, and redirects our dialog towards dark places. It's not healthy, it hasn't served us well. And we're done with it on our company Basecamp account where the work happens. People can take the conversations with willing co-workers to Signal, Whatsapp, or even a personal Basecamp account, but it can't happen where the work happens anymore. Update: David has shared some more details and more of the internal announcement on his HEY World blog.

2. No more paternalistic benefits. For years we've offered a fitness benefit, a wellness allowance, a farmer's market share, and continuing education allowances. They felt good at the time, but we've had a change of heart. It's none of our business what you do outside of work, and it's not Basecamp's place to encourage certain behaviors — regardless of good intention. By providing funds for certain things, we're getting too deep into nudging people's personal, individual choices. So we've ended these benefits, and, as compensation, paid every employee the full cash value of the benefits for this year. In addition, we recently introduced a 10% profit sharing plan to provide direct compensation that people can spend on whatever they'd like, privately, without company involvement or judgement.

3. No more committees. For nearly all of our 21 year existence, we were proudly committee-free. No big working groups making big decisions, or putting forward formalized, groupthink recommendations. No bureaucracy. But recently, a few sprung up. No longer. We're turning things back over to the person (or people) who were distinctly hired to make those decisions. The responsibility for DEI work returns to Andrea, our head of People Ops. The responsibility for negotiating use restrictions and moral quandaries returns to me and David. A long-standing group of managers called "Small Council" will disband — when we need advice or counsel we'll ask individuals with direct relevant experience rather than a pre-defined group at large. Back to basics, back to individual responsibility, back to work.

4. No more lingering or dwelling on past decisions. We've become a bit too precious with decision making over the last few years. Either by wallowing in indecisiveness, worrying ourselves into overthinking things, taking on a defensive posture and assuming the worst outcome is the likely outcome, putting too much energy into something that only needed a quick fix, inadvertently derailing projects when casual suggestions are taken as essential imperatives, or rehashing decisions in different forums or mediums. It's time to get back to making calls, explaining why once, and moving on.

5. No more 360 reviews. Employee performance reviews used to be straightforward. A meeting with your manager or team lead, direct feedback, and recommendations for improvement. Then a few years ago we made it hard. Worse, really. We introduced 360s, which required peers to provide feedback on peers. The problem is, peer feedback is often positive and reassuring, which is fun to read but not very useful. Assigning peer surveys started to feel like assigning busy work. Manager/employee feedback should be flowing pretty freely back and forth throughout the year. No need to add performative paperwork on top of that natural interaction. So we're done with 360s, too.

6. No forgetting what we do here. We make project management, team communication, and email software. We are not a social impact company. Our impact is contained to what we do and how we do it. We write business books, blog a ton, speak regularly, we open source software, we give back an inordinate amount to our industry given our size. And we're damn proud of it. Our work, plus that kind of giving, should occupy our full attention. We don't have to solve deep social problems, chime in publicly whenever the world requests our opinion on the major issues of the day, or get behind one movement or another with time or treasure. These are all important topics, but they're not our topics at work — they're not what we collectively do here. Employees are free to take up whatever cause they want, support whatever movements they'd like, and speak out on whatever horrible injustices are being perpetrated on this group or that (and, unfortunately, there are far too many to choose from). But that's their business, not ours. We're in the business of making software, and a few tangential things that touch that edge. We're responsible for ourselves. That's more than enough for us.

This may look like compression. A reduction, an elimination. And it is. It's precisely that. We're compressing X to allow for expansion in Y. A return to whole minds that can focus fully on the work we choose to do. A return to a low-ceremony steady state where we can make decisions and move on. A return to personal responsibility and good faith trust in one another to do our own individual jobs well. A return to why we started the company. A return to what we do best.

Who's responsible for these changes? David and I are. Who made the changes? David and I did. These are our calls, and the outcomes and impacts land at our doorstep. Input came from many sources, disagreements were heard, deliberations were had. In the end, we feel like this is the long-term healthy way forward for Basecamp as a whole — the company and our products.

When you've been around 20 years, you've been through change. You're used to it, and comfortable with it. These changes are part of a continuum in the experiment of independence that is Basecamp (and 37signals before that). We'll eventually run headlong into big change again. This is what we've done, and this is what we'll do — time guarantees it.

We're very much looking forward to this new version of the company. Once the construction site is cleaned up, and the dust settles, we believe we'll see a refocused, refreshed, and revitalized Basecamp. Here we go, again.

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The benefits removal reminds me of a story from my mom at a company she worked at in the 70’s.

At the time they got Good Friday off as a Holiday, didn’t count against you in vacation. Well, one atheist in the company got a bug up their ass screeching that this free day off was oppressing them and forcing christianity down their throat, yada yada yada.

Note: the company just gave a day off, there was no requirement to attend services or anything else. Most people just liked having a three day weekend in between New Years and Memorial Day.

Well, due to the one person bitching, they got rid of that Holiday. They did give a “personal” day you could use in the year, but wouldn’t carry over, but a lot of people were pissed about losing a scheduled Holiday.
Athiests always making a case for why they will always be eternally cucked by Allah.
 
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Good lord look at that pile of people who are not worth the trouble...what relief the owners and non-volatile remainers must be feeling.

In it’s way this is an argument against a remote work force. Never inhabiting the same actual space as other humans makes it way easier to be this kind of extremely online asshole exhibiting this kind of extremely online antisocial behavior. All these people require the distance of online only relationships (or you know, black bloc providing the same bravado to them) to maintain their aggression.
 
Ah, I was mixing this company up with Coinbase, which also banned political talk last year, with similar blowback. Basecamp was probably worse numbers-wise because the cancer had spread more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...-grandma--will-others-follow/?sh=259bc938269e
60 employees, or five percent of personnel, reportedly left Coinbase because of the new policy.

Even Google backed off on employee political sperging after the Damore memo blew up.

Somewhat off-topic, but this reminded me of this twitter thread I read just a few days ago. Put together, this is the way to get rid of wokeness. You call it out in front of everyone, you explain the catastrophizing rhetoric, and you simply restate your company's goals. In this Twitter thread, the woman and her husband said they value INDIVIDUALS and EVIDENCE, which is not compatible with whatever the employees are trying to sell. Begone if this bothers you. Like the Basecamp guys revealed the Inquisitors' own problematic speech, this woman started asking her employees why they were assuming her sexuality. And they backed down. It's amazing how simply making decisions As the Manager gets them to roll over and die.
 
Ah, I was mixing this company up with Coinbase, which also banned political talk last year, with similar blowback. Basecamp was probably worse numbers-wise because the cancer had spread more.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...-grandma--will-others-follow/?sh=259bc938269e


Even Google backed off on employee political sperging after the Damore memo blew up.

Somewhat off-topic, but this reminded me of this twitter thread I read just a few days ago. Put together, this is the way to get rid of wokeness. You call it out in front of everyone, you explain the catastrophizing rhetoric, and you simply restate your company's goals. In this Twitter thread, the woman and her husband said they value INDIVIDUALS and EVIDENCE, which is not compatible with whatever the employees are trying to sell. Begone if this bothers you. Like the Basecamp guys revealed the Inquisitors' own problematic speech, this woman started asking her employees why they were assuming her sexuality. And they backed down. It's amazing how simply making decisions As the Manager gets them to roll over and die.

A bit like the way kids are encouraged to speak to the imaginary closet monster, in daylight, and tell it, firmly, to behave or leave.

I posted something in the Olly Thorne thread yesterday about how this woke political bullshit is the antithesis of what humans need for good mental health (which is essentially build resilience by fixing small things within your control rather than set a massive, impossible task and get increasingly more anxious and depressed when you fail, leaving you less and less likely to achieve anything at all with each accumulating failure) and when that’s playing out in multiple, connected individuals at once, well, work/school/college/political parties are fucked.
How about not trying to ‘end systemic oppression’ or ‘topple capitalism’ as part of your work day, and instead just do your actual work?
‘Taking your whole self’ to work was a massive mistake - just take your work self to work.

This woke bullshit is how come you end up with employees wanking in rubber outfits in the work loos, posting it online and calling concerned members of the public ‘homophobic’ for reporting you, even when your employer is a children’s safeguarding organisation

Back to the monster metaphor, it’s like a vampire, DON’T LET IT IN.
 
I posted something in the Olly Thorne thread yesterday about how this woke political bullshit is the antithesis of what humans need for good mental health (which is essentially build resilience by fixing small things within your control rather than set a massive, impossible task and get increasingly more anxious and depressed when you fail, leaving you less and less likely to achieve anything at all with each accumulating failure) and when that’s playing out in multiple, connected individuals at once, well, work/school/college/political parties are fucked.
How about not trying to ‘end systemic oppression’ or ‘topple capitalism’ as part of your work day, and instead just do your actual work?
‘Taking your whole self’ to work was a massive mistake - just take your work self to work.

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Back to the monster metaphor, it’s like a vampire, DON’T LET IT IN.

Shine your sink theory.

Speaking of vampires, this is interesting, result from a search for “how to get rid of vampires once you’ve invited them in”:

Under the old laws there are responsibilities of guest to host and host to guest. For example, in the Havamal Odin lays out the rules. These customary mannerisms were expected of everyone as a way of showing courtesy and respect. While hosts were expected to generously welcome and provide food and shelter for passing travelers, despite their financial status, guests were likewise expected to be polite and appreciative towards their hosts and sometimes even reimburse them in the form of goods, services, or labor. Given the structure of Icelandic society, where the majority of people had to rely upon the yields of their own farm and occasionally trading to simply survive the winter, being welcoming and supportive to all would be a fundamental strategy for the survival of their population. For trading, traveling, and relaying news, it was essential to value hospitality when receiving guests and respectfulness when being received. So one could consider these rules divine law. Now Vampires have to follow these laws, but they kinda rules lawyer them, perverting the 'you have to provide me food" rule to drinking the blood of the guest. If you as host were to revoke your invitation it would be seen as poor form on your part, and you may no longer be considered a good host. If that was the case the vampire would no longer have to worry about divine intervention and could eat you at will. Your better strategy would be to maneuver the vampire into being a bad guest. At that point you can kill him without worry. An example is offering the vampire a gift or token that the vampire can't accept, like a holy symbol, and when he curses at it instead of thanking you he's in breach and you can kill him/demand he leave.
 
BaseCamp owners don't sound very based to me. For years, they crowed about social justice issues to media, who lapped it up and published puff pieces about them. Then, when their pseudo-commie workers got the idea these things should apply to BaseCamp itself, the previously SJW owners cold shouldered them and shut it down.

I mean, it looks like a textbook "Rules for thee, not for me".
this. those "moderates" who pander to the woke mob can go fuck themselves. They always are on board with every woke lunacy no matter how damaging and stupid it is, as long as it causes harm to others, only once it backfires on them they suddenly come back to common sense. Every lefty politician and activist is like that, even the far left ones- they are all woke and activist untill sudddenly it gets in their way, then they do a 180. Remember when that fat turd Cenk, who always boasts about being the only true "fighting left" media opposed his employees's effort at unionizing? or Bernie paying his staffers wages below what he demands companies pay their employees? or now that BLM "trained marxist" woman buying homes to flip them for profit, literally the antithesis of everything far left stands for?
Remember they don't really believe all of that crap they are spouting. It is only a mean to grift some money, or grab some power .
 
Yeah but paternalistic white (and honorary white) techbros laying down boundaries and sticking to them is good news, since that is the demographic that has to give themselves permission - just like this case - to walk back the insanity they’ve indulged and promoted. The wokelings are counting on being able to jump to another Indulgent Tech Daddy, but I’m pretty sure they’re seeing the beginning of the rejection by the larger daddy community of infiltrators, layabouts, commies, and other undesirables.

Meanwhile, well over half of the heterosexual white, off-white, and brown guys who actually *produce* are over there going huh, a company that won’t allow me to be harassed at work all day by shrieking headcases...
 
As in the late Roman period, declining official authority, declining personal morality, and increasing public bureaucracy are observed in synchrony. This is not in any way a coincidence. The combination is an infallible symptom of the great terminal disease of the polity—leftism. Leftism is cancer. At least in its present adult, sclerotic and non-fulminating form, it is extremely slow in its progress, but the end is not in doubt.

On theoretical grounds alone—the feat has never really been achieved, at least never for good—the only cure for leftism is complete and permanent excision. Success implies complete absence of the organism from the body politic. This does not mean there are no leftists in the country; in a well-governed country which is at peace, people can think or say whatever they damned well please. It just means that, if there are for some reason leftists, their views are completely without influence on government policy. So people laugh at them, and call them names.
I can dream, Moldy, I can dream
 
A bit like the way kids are encouraged to speak to the imaginary closet monster, in daylight, and tell it, firmly, to behave or leave.

I posted something in the Olly Thorne thread yesterday about how this woke political bullshit is the antithesis of what humans need for good mental health (which is essentially build resilience by fixing small things within your control rather than set a massive, impossible task and get increasingly more anxious and depressed when you fail, leaving you less and less likely to achieve anything at all with each accumulating failure) and when that’s playing out in multiple, connected individuals at once, well, work/school/college/political parties are fucked.
How about not trying to ‘end systemic oppression’ or ‘topple capitalism’ as part of your work day, and instead just do your actual work?
‘Taking your whole self’ to work was a massive mistake - just take your work self to work.

This woke bullshit is how come you end up with employees wanking in rubber outfits in the work loos, posting it online and calling concerned members of the public ‘homophobic’ for reporting you, even when your employer is a children’s safeguarding organisation

Back to the monster metaphor, it’s like a vampire, DON’T LET IT IN.
Funny how James Damore and everyone else on the other side wasn't allowed to take their whole self to work. I hate all this woke bullshit, its the opposite of inclusive.
 
Funny how James Damore and everyone else on the other side wasn't allowed to take their whole self to work. I hate all this woke bullshit, its the opposite of inclusive.
Yeah. That’s the thing isn’t it? Like, I’m a sandal wearing yogurt weaving lefty by old standards but this stuff a) doesn’t help the people it claims to help and b) is the opposite of inclusive.

working as a team with people who think differently to you, as well as possibly look different to you, with a common aim (work project x) is a much better way to heal division than calling all your colleagues white supremacists/sexists/whatever.

Dr Matt Taylor isn’t a wife beating misogynist, he just had tacky taste in shirts. Implement a still relaxed but more neutral dress code, ban religion and politics chat and only fund raise for set pre selected charities with local significance (the nearest dog shelter or kiddie cancer care centre to head office). That’s it,

Thankfully this stuff seems to be imploding before it infected HR at blue collar businesses (because I know entire workforces who will a) not really care if colleague y starts wearing a dress and calling himself Susan but b) refuse to bend the knee and say that ‘Susan’ is a woman and you won’t get any bricks laid at all that day if management insists they must).
 
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