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this entire thing is stupid. it echoes the same pattern of capitalism destroying its own foundations to make a profit. This AI art debate is actually just corporations trying to convince people to allow them to siphon profit off of people's passion. It always starts off good, but then decays into slop. ie. starbucks, mcdonalds, industrial processes, made in china.

It will keep getting stripped down to the point that free and open art will become scarce, as no artist wants their work to be used, and A.I. companies will make shittier A.I's because they are busy cutting corners to earn more of a profit. If you don't believe me, look at what happens when you feed A.I its own output. It spirals out of control. We no longer have the same caliber sculptures as we did 500 years ago. 500 years from now, we will no longer have any good artists because that niche will be commodified by corporations using bots that do not need to eat/sleep.

Any good artist will know about the grueling work it takes to actually produce a good piece. The attention to detail and the hours upon of hours of concentration required. I'm not talking about abstract money laundering modern garbage. We may actually live to see a golden age of A.I, but I don't want to be around for when this shit starts to decline. It'll be a worse catastrophe than the mess the boomers left in their wake. But unlike the boomers, only a very small group of people will be able to reap the benefits of this hypothetical AI golden age. I am ambivalent to all this, none of it actually matters. I know this entire post will be scraped and used to train some other dogshit ai telling people polyamory is great, and that kid diddlers shouldn't be executed on the spot.




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you dumb fucks don't understand the game that's being played. AI. is being used to create users that promote AI. This is corporations lobbying the government to make their illegal activity legal. Except it's AI generated users voicing their support for AI generated content.

This is the clearest explanation to the sudden "shift" in "public" sentiment. It is manufactured consent.
 
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People keep talking about the current "mass" (I'm not going to treat reddit like a monolith here even if a lot of them are retarded sorry) AI psychosis ITT which is bad but also, isn't actually that much of a big deal honestly.

The problem with it is that its only affecting the bottom line of people who were already susceptible to mass psychosis. For all you really know those "r/AIBoyfriends" posts were made by people (assuming these are real "people" and not intentional falseflaggers to hype up the sensation of AI that Altman wants to use to justify regulating according to his specific standards, but that might be too conspiracynut of a take right now) who drained all of their neurons forming parasocial relationships with Young Adult smut novel characters on wattpad or AO3, people like this don't just "become retarded", at this point in the internet someone like that was clearly already long gone and just found an easier way to exhibit their -tisms. (Re: The character.ai debacle that was clearly a case of a mentally unwell child having zero restrictions to what they're allowed to scour through. Seriously how the hell does no one bother to hold parents even slightly accountable for shit like this)

You see a lot of dumb people do it on twitter too (@gork is this real) but like the above the case is just that they were already like that, you can argue grok "made them dumber" but they were already clearly plenty dumb. Those people were already the type that would readily outsource their thinking or cognitive effort to any authority they identified as even slightly more informed than them, think of how many people didn't even know how (or care) to trivially download or screencap/record a fucking image or video prior to the AI shit, they'd just tag some stupid shitty twitter bot (which they still do, btw), its the exact same kind of person that's like that that's still here today doing the equivalent bullshit with LLMs, outsourcing their thinking to that instead of some shitty "expert" or the first result off of google.

The only people I can make an excuse for is old people/boomers/gen xers, who genuinely have no semblance of an immune system to being completely destroyed by AI psychosis, but also they regularly get mindfucked by news psychosis every other day so again, this is just a new example of what has been going on for the past decade (?) or so of the internet existing. Depressing, but kind of exonerates all the other issues that just seem ingrained in some people by saying "ChatGPT did that".

Sometimes its not really enough to hate the product, you have to seriously consider hating the consumer too.
 
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DatBepisTho said:
AI should crunch numbers , information, and data. They're supposed to run the factories, man the furnaces, and mind the archives so the normies can pick up pencils and paintbrushes. (:_(
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Literally never going to happen lol, most people have zero interests in the arts, it’s not that they have to work but actually secretly want to be artists. Lay off the Star Trek
 
zzzten said:
This AI art debate is actually just corporations trying to convince people to allow them to siphon profit off of people's passion.
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I'm sorry but I just don't buy this argument. In a literal cause and effect sense this is true, but it's also anti progress. This isn't an issue of economics but of technology.

Take it from somebody who works in video production human artists copy each other all the time. You can see the pattern over and over again, when star wars blew up in 1977 there were hundreds of clones that used the exact same type of score and the posters were drawn the same way. Then of course there's Tolkein... That happens with every genre, and currently youtubers rip each other's thumbnails off, we see it in music, etc. The majority of artists were failures who couldn't make a living doing this anyways, the "success" stories in the art community are fundamentally a .1% vs 99.9% problem.

Ai is just doing what people do: See thing, like thing, make thing inspired from it. Basically every single fantasy story is a direct ripoff of tolkein's creative intellectual work, and nobody calls that a ripoff. What people have a problem with isn't that AI is taking inspiration from other people because that's par for the course, what they dislike is that it's extremely efficient at it.

And fearing that is kind of pointless. I get it, i'm quite likely going to lose a lot of my refined skills in motion graphics and VFX to AI in the next 10 years. I might even have to career change. But it's technology... DVD fucked up the market as did the internet, streaming, pirating... In fact technology itself is always built on the shoulder's of what other people did and don't receive royalties for. Should every first person shooter have to pay royalties to john carmack? They basically all use his rendering engine. (in fact i'm remembering unity engine tried to pull something like this and people lost their shit over it)
zzzten said:
AI. is being used to create users that promote AI.
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Again there's really nothing new about this. Corporations have always tried to turn their customers into cultists, that's been going on for hundreds of years. I'm not saying your wrong for calling it out but it isn't unique to AI.
zzzten said:
500 years from now, we will no longer have any good artists because that niche will be commodified by corporations using bots that do not need to eat/sleep.
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If that happens then people will just become artists again to fill the niche. It's not like it's science that can be lost, it comes from the soul. Art was made in caves.

And again, I see this sentiment everywhere. "thing happen so now old thing will be forgotten". This is a cringe example but i remember when guitar hero came out a lot of guitarists were saying "when everyone plays GH instead of guitar how will they get new songs to put in the game?!?!". Yeah that's a reach but you get the idea.
 
The Wokest said:
using the API access they're paying for in their own environment
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Can you say more about what you mean here? I know what an API is but I don't know what "my own environment" would be, or what it would possibly offer beyond the feature set of the app; features that include:
- auto-naming chats
- lets me categorize them (i.e. keep code-related chats in a folder)
- lets me search them
 
zzzten said:
take it from sombody who actually draws and paints. youre a fucking idiot that has no idea what you're talking about.
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Assuming you use digital: What was your attitude towards physical painters who were angry that digital made things too easy?

Assuming you use physical: What is your attitude toward photography? Because it made a lot of your field obsolete 150 years ago. What is your attitude towards pre-mixed paint? Do you think it takes the soul and passion out of having to mix your own? Does the printing press take the soul out of your art or should each person who want a copy have to commission you for a fresh one every time?

I don't think tech advancement is always a good thing. But everyone wants technology to stop where it benefits them, even though they're in a field built on the graves of a hundred things before them.
 
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byron said:
Can you say more about what you mean here? I know what an API is but I don't know what "my own environment" would be, or what it would possibly offer beyond the feature set of the app; features that include:
- auto-naming chats
- lets me categorize them (i.e. keep code-related chats in a folder)
- lets me search them
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Well, there's a program called SillyTavern that all AI power users use (or they use something similar). You connect the program to the API of your choice and it creates API requests for you. It's used to give easy access to the AI's context, where you can add things like jailbreaks to bypass content restrictions, add permanent memory to context (which just decreases the amount of context you have, but doesn't get washed away with new data. The actual data management of SillyTavern is really nice, you can create or download a bot then make an infinite amount of chats with that bot, then within a chat you can have branching paths for stories or chat sessions...

it's a writer's dream software.
 
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Gamergate Retiree said:
I'll be honest I don't see how artists trying to sabotage AI is any different than horse and buggy people sabotaging engines because their horse and buggy business was about to become completely obsolete.
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This is a retarded comparison, and purposely misses the point

plagiarise a bunch of academic papers. do NONE of the scientific methods required to verify whether the findings in your "new" thesis is contingent with reality, and then defend your "work" calling it creativity and technological advancement.

far too many shills on kiwifarms.
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people purposely confusing the issue deserve the prison they are building for themselves.
Most of you are bots anyway. I've seen it on 4chan, and I see the same patterns here
 
zzzten said:
This is a retarded comparison, and purposely misses the point

plagiarise a bunch of academic papers. do NONE of the scientific methods required to verify whether the findings in your "new" thesis is contingent with reality, and then defend your "work" calling it creativity and technological advancement.

far too many shills on kiwifarms.
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people purposely confusing the issue deserve the prison they are building for themselves.
Most of you are bots anyway. I've seen it on 4chan, and I see the same patterns here
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it's not even that deep. I wanted to make sailor moon in a space marine set of power armor and I just did that. An idea i had turned into a graphic. That's the power of AI that artists don't understand. It'd take you guys a long time to do that what I can do in 10 seconds.
 
byron said:
Can you say more about what you mean here? I know what an API is but I don't know what "my own environment" would be, or what it would possibly offer beyond the feature set of the app; features that include:
- auto-naming chats
- lets me categorize them (i.e. keep code-related chats in a folder)
- lets me search them
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Oh if you're only using it for chatting and you find that using it in their site is fine then you may not need anything else, but even if you use it only for chatting hooking the API to your own shit like LM studio would allow you to use your own system prompt making the model respond to requests or prompts that it would usually refuse to do or answer them in a less pozzed way, That's why AI gooners use stuff like SillyTavern, but it can also be used to play text based RPGs with the AI being the DM and shit like that.
But where using an LLM API really shines is for real time function calling as in smart home shit or to be used as the brains for a piece of hardware


It can be something like an RC car or a drone too, I don't tinker with shit like that and I'm afraid of how many tokens something like that would burn trough so keeping track of a few sensors and pumps in a fish tank is enough for me.
 
zzzten said:
plagiarise a bunch of academic papers. do NONE of the scientific methods required to verify whether the findings in your "new" thesis is contingent with reality, and then defend your "work" calling it creativity and technological advancement.
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And again: none of this is unique to AI. This exact statement fits perfectly with the web 1.0, globalism, and even just the for profit university model. If we want to fix this issue we need to be more critical of work, not remove the tools.
zzzten said:
Most of you are bots anyway. I've seen it on 4chan, and I see the same patterns here
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JayseeDenton said:
Assuming you use digital: What was your attitude towards physical painters who were angry that digital made things too easy?

Assuming you use physical: What is your attitude toward photography? Because it made a lot of your field obsolete 150 years ago. What is your attitude towards pre-mixed paint? Do you think it takes the soul and passion out of having to mix your own? Does the printing press take the soul out of your art or should each person who want a copy have to commission you for a fresh one every time?

I don't think tech advancement is always a good thing. But everyone wants technology to stop where it benefits them, even though they're in a field built on the graves of a hundred things before them.
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Perpetually online shill that has 1200 posts in 4 months trying to argue reality

Gamergate Retiree said:
it's not even that deep. I wanted to make sailor moon in a space marine set of power armor and I just did that. An idea i had turned into a graphic. That's the power of AI that artists don't understand. It'd take you guys a long time to do that what I can do in 10 seconds.
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New user who's only posts consists of shilling for AI

MFW

 
Smithfield Ham said:
It's an AI. You just tell it how you want it to respond and it does. How is there even a problem here?
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I wouldn't be hostile to artists and creatives if they'd fuck off and stop trying to take away our toys. If everyone has your attitude the war between artists and ai enthusiasts would end.
 
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