CN China has just returned the first-ever samples from the far side of the moon - 我们在月球上回到天堂

JUNE 25, 2024 3:38 AM ET
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The Chang'e 6 capsule landed in the Chinese province of Inner Mongolia on Tuesday.

A Chinese probe has returned to Earth carrying the first samples ever taken from the far side of the moon. Chinese state television broadcast images Tuesday of the capsule holding the samples, as it floated down under parachute onto the grassy steppe of Inner Mongolia.

Scientists say the rocks inside the little space capsule could open a new window into how our nearest neighbor formed.

Chang’e 6, which landed on the far side in early June, wouldn’t be the first space mission to send home moon rocks that rewrote textbooks. Samples taken by Neil Armstrong during the Apollo 11 mission in 1969 upended what was then the prevailing theory about how the moon came to be.

Prior to Apollo, researchers had thought that it formed when a bunch of asteroids near Earth gradually glommed together. But the minerals in the moon rocks that the astronauts brought back suggested a much more violent origin story, according to Richard Carlson, director emeritus of the Earth and Planets Laboratory at Carnegie Science in Washington D.C.

“The wisdom now is that something the size of Mars, for example, hit the Earth and spalled off enough material to put it into orbit and form the moon,” he says.

In other words, the giant ball of molten magma that was ripped from the Earth by this collision eventually cooled into the orb we see in the sky.

The theory is widely accepted today, but the evidence remains somewhat limited. That’s because the Apollo missions (as well as the Soviet Union’s robotic Luna missions) all landed on the near side of the moon — the one that always faces the Earth.

“Think about the geology of the Earth: If you only landed in North America, you’d be missing a big part of the story, right?” says Carlson.

China’s latest robotic probe, called Chang’e 6, landed on the far side of the moon. That’s a much more challenging task because the far side faces away from our planet and there’s no direct way to communicate. Instead, Chang’e 6 relied on a satellite orbiting the moon to relay its signal.

Earlier this month it used a drill and scoop to collect samples from a lava flow in an area known as the South Pole-Aitken Basin. Carlson says these new samples should confirm the Apollo-era origin story — that the entire moon was forged quickly around 4.5 billion years ago.

If the Chang’e 6 sample “gives the same age as the stuff from Apollo… then the likelihood is that you’re really looking at a global event,” he says. If not, then the textbooks will have to be rewritten again.

Jim Head, a planetary scientist at Brown University, says that the far side of the moon has many other mysteries as well. Unlike the near side, he says, the far side appears heavily cratered and mostly devoid of lava-flooded areas known as “maria”.

“It’s pretty clear that the far side and the near side have many, many differences,” Head says. “It’s a really critical issue. You can’t understand the origin of a planet with one hemisphere.”

China and the U.S. are in competition with each other these days, including over the moon. Both nations say they want to send humans back to the lunar surface by sometime around the end of the decade.

But China has also offered to share at least some of its new moon samples with American researchers, and NASA is allowing the U.S. scientists to submit proposals. Carlson is all for it:

“Somehow I suspect that international politics doesn’t depend on our models for the origin of the moon,” he says.

NPR's Huo Jingnan 霍景男 contributed to this report.
 
But China has also offered to share at least some of its new moon samples with American researchers, and NASA is allowing the U.S. scientists to submit proposals. Carlson is all for it:

“Somehow I suspect that international politics doesn’t depend on our models for the origin of the moon,” he says.
Always nice to see genuine scientific inquiry go on in spite of political tensions I suppose
 
Always nice to see genuine scientific inquiry go on in spite of political tensions I suppose
It’s funny to imagine them being very coy and sneering about the American’s request. “Ohhhhr you want ter read our research hrmmmm?” and then making NASA go through a shit ton of bureaucratic red tape and materials research restrictions.
 
It’s funny to imagine them being very coy and sneering about the American’s request. “Ohhhhr you want ter read our research hrmmmm?” and then making NASA go through a shit ton of bureaucratic red tape and materials research restrictions.
I'm a patriot as much as anybody but NASA kind of deserves it. At least the bean counters there do.
 
Think about the geology of the Earth: If you only landed in North America, you’d be missing a big part of the story, right?
No. Oh wow! North America has mountains made by plate tectonics on large bodies of water formed by glaciers. Asia has mountains made by plate tectonics and large bodies of water formed by glaciers. What a difference.

The moon rocks aren't going to show anything that is going to "rewrite textbooks". The rocks on the dark side of the moon are going to be the same as the rocks on the visible side

This is just my opinion. Maybe the dark side is made of green cheese.
 
Now build a concrete structure worth a dam.
They CAN but there's notorious cost cutting and nickel and diming and shit that leads to the companies basically fucking themselves over. I still can't get over the funny images from years ago where that one bridge was falling apart and it had CORN in it for some fucking reason.
 
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No. Oh wow! North America has mountains made by plate tectonics on large bodies of water formed by glaciers. Asia has mountains made by plate tectonics and large bodies of water formed by glaciers. What a difference.

The moon rocks aren't going to show anything that is going to "rewrite textbooks". The rocks on the dark side of the moon are going to be the same as the rocks on the visible side

This is just my opinion. Maybe the dark side is made of green cheese.
It's made of blue cheese you damned fool.
 
it had CORN in it for some fucking reason.
COMPATRIOT! Those are the People’s CORN, pressure strengthened by The Chinese People’s resilience in rock eating times under the thumb of capitalistic pigdogs. See your local 110 Overseas station promptly for more information. 我在一家烤面包机工厂工作,我的鸡巴现在被卡住了。请派干部和小干部去帮帮网友!👍😭
 
No. Oh wow! North America has mountains made by plate tectonics on large bodies of water formed by glaciers. Asia has mountains made by plate tectonics and large bodies of water formed by glaciers. What a difference.

The moon rocks aren't going to show anything that is going to "rewrite textbooks". The rocks on the dark side of the moon are going to be the same as the rocks on the visible side

This is just my opinion. Maybe the dark side is made of green cheese.
You might find more meteors on the far side just because it's facing outwards but I can't imagine much difference beyond that
 
No they can't lol

That's why.
You quoted my post to frame it like I was wrong while simultaneously just confirming what I said to be correct? God damn.

COMPATRIOT! Those are the People’s CORN, pressure strengthened by The Chinese People’s resilience in rock eating times under the thumb of capitalistic pigdogs. See your local 110 Overseas station promptly for more information. 我在一家烤面包机工厂工作,我的鸡巴现在被卡住了。请派干部和小干部去帮帮网友!👍😭
Understandable, will keep in mind for glory of country.
 
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No. Oh wow! North America has mountains made by plate tectonics on large bodies of water formed by glaciers. Asia has mountains made by plate tectonics and large bodies of water formed by glaciers. What a difference.

The moon rocks aren't going to show anything that is going to "rewrite textbooks". The rocks on the dark side of the moon are going to be the same as the rocks on the visible side

This is just my opinion. Maybe the dark side is made of green cheese.

I think it's neat to have rocks from the dark side of the moon just because of the romance and mythos involved with it. It's special in its own way even if it might not be geologically significant.
 
Curious to see if there's a difference in regolith compositions.

I know that samples from the Apollo missions indicated extremely high--compared to terrestial soil samples--levels of chrome, titanium (via ilmenite) and iridium. Some speculated we could process regolith to obtain these relatively rare materials easier than doing it down on Earth.
 
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