China to end it's one child policy.

I just heard this on the news but China is ending it's One Child policy, it looks like they are concerned about there ageing population.

When more details are available I will update this thread.

Edit:

China has decided to end its decades-long one-child policy, Xinhua news agency reports.

All couples will now be allowed to have two children, the state-run news agency said, citing a statement from the Communist Party.

The controversial policy was introduced nationally in 1979, to reduce the country's birth rate and slow the population growth rate.

However, concerns at China's ageing population led to pressure for change.

The one-child policy is estimated to have prevented about 400m births since it began.

Couples who violated the policy faced a variety of punishments, from fines and the loss of employment to forced abortions.

Over time, the policy was relaxed in some provinces, as demographers and sociologists raised concerns about rising social costs and falling worker numbers.

The Communist Party began formally relaxing national rules two years ago, allowing couples in which at least one of the pair is an only child to have a second child.

The announcement comes on the final day of a summit of the Chinese Communist Party's policy-making Central Committee, known as the fifth plenum.

The party is also set to announce growth targets and its next five year plan.

 

[CWCissey]

They're also probably worried about how the one child policy has caused a massive imbalance in the ratio of men to women, as Chinese culture favours boys and with only one child being allowed, most couples try for boys.

 

[*Asterisk*]

They never should've had the policy to begin with.

Reasonable family planning is something everyone should support, and I would've been totally fine if that's the route China took. But the sheer degree of brutality that resulted from this monstrous policy can never be forgiven.

Even if you're the kind of psychopath who completely ignores the human suffering of something like the OCP, all of China's neighbors managed to have equally low or lower fertility rates without having to murder children and torture families. People are actually pretty good at ceasing to have kids on their own when there are too many people and too few resources.

 

[Ravenor]

They're also probably worried about how the one child policy has caused a massive imbalance in the ratio of men to women, as Chinese culture favours boys and with only one child being allowed, most couples try for boys.

From my understanding it was implemented so that if the USSR and America did get into a nuclear war or some other massed form of conflict China would be able to Zerg rush the victor.

Reasonable family planning is something everyone should support, and I would've been totally fine if that's the route China took. But the sheer degree of brutality that resulted from this monstrous policy can never be forgiven.

Yea when the communist party goes under for what ever reason (nothing lasts for ever) this will be considered a crime agenst humanity and if any one involved is still alive when that happens it won't be a quiet trial handled in the international criminal court it will be messy and public.

 

[CWCissey]

From my understanding it was implemented so that if the USSR and America did get into a nuclear war or some other massed form of conflict China would be able to Zerg rush the victor.



Yea when the communist party goes under for what ever reason (nothing lasts for ever) this will be considered a crime agenst humanity and if any one involved is still alive when that happens it won't be a quiet trial handled in the international criminal court it will be messy and public.

Well that's basically what happened in Korea. The Chinese zerg rushed the UN when defeat looked certain for the Commies. But I thought the One Child Policy was enacted due to limited resources.

As for future judgement, India did a similar thing during the 70's but with (often enforced) vasectomies and that went down terribly.

 

[BT 075]

They will still have the same forced abortions, the same fines, the same brutal treatment as before for those who dare have more then two children. The difference will now be that couples can now have two children, but will still be required to take care of four parents which will increase the pressure on young people even more.

Meanwhile rich couples simply undergo IVF and cheat the policies by having multiples. The only difference I predict is less gender-based abortions and perhaps a few less girls put in orphanages. The entire policy of forbidding people from having more then a set amount of children by brutal means is inhumane no matter what.

And of course, being a part of China's ruling class helps too. Mao Zedong's family has never abided to the One Child policy even when it was still in place:

Through his ten children, Mao became grandfather to twelve grandchildren, many of whom he never knew. He has many great-grandchildren alive today. One of his granddaughters is businesswoman Kong Dongmei, one of the richest people in China and mother to three of Mao's great-grandchildren.[271] His grandson Mao Xinyu (Kong's half-brother), father of two, is a general in the Chinese army

 

[Ravenor]

But I thought the One Child Policy was enacted due to limited resources.

China is quite resource rich, and it also has a massive source of manpower what they have lacked until relatively recently is Western Science and Engineering knowledge the gaps starting to close but it's still lacking in a number of areas, but that's a subject for another thread.

As for future judgement, India did a similar thing during the 70's but with (often enforced) vasectomies and that went down terribly.

Yea that's fucking awful, I listened to something on the BBC World Service a while ago about how some legal shenanigans are going on about people who where involved at the managerial level of the program and how some of the victoms are getting shafted if they qualify for compensation. I think it's been made worse by a few other scams that where commonly pulled off at the time as well.

They will still have the same forced abortions, the same fines, the same brutal treatment as before for those who dare have more then two children. The difference will now be that couples can now have two children, but will still be required to take care of four parents which will increase the pressure on young people even more.

Meanwhile rich couples simply undergo IVF and cheat the policies by having multiples. The only difference I predict is less gender-based abortions and perhaps a few less girls put in orphanages. The entire policy of forbidding people from having more then a set amount of children by brutal means is inhumane no matter what.

And of course, being a part of China's ruling class helps too. Mao Zedong's family has never abided to the One Child policy even when it was still in place:

Yea being rich and powerful has always allowed for some way around the law it always has and always will Mao himself was always willing to engage in a little hypocracy to enjoy a better life for himself and his family, and I feel your predictions are right it's going to be better but far from perfect and how they enforce this particular law is brutal in the extreem.

 

[Linako 2.0]

People are actually pretty good at ceasing to have kids on their own when there are too many people and too few resources.

Tell that to India or just any third world country.
only first world countries seem to be interested in planned parenting.

 

[Enclave Supremacy]

Is this like when they said that they'd end the labour camp system or are they actually doing this?

 

[AnOminous]

They never should've had the policy to begin with.

Reasonable family planning is something everyone should support, and I would've been totally fine if that's the route China took. But the sheer degree of brutality that resulted from this monstrous policy can never be forgiven.

This.

It's undeniable the policy "worked" in a strict sense of lowering birth rate, something that should be done and actually needs to be done.

However, the manner in which it was done was absolutely unacceptable and a human rights atrocity.

People are actually pretty good at ceasing to have kids on their own when there are too many people and too few resources.

I disagree with this, though. People are utterly terrible about doing that. In fact, perversely, they tend to have even more children in conditions of harsh adversity, while rising standards of living actually depress birth rates.

 

[CWCissey]

I disagree with this, though. People are utterly terrible about doing that. In fact, perversely, they tend to have even more children in conditions of harsh adversity, while rising standards of living actually depress birth rates.

It's basically gaming the odds. The thinking is that the more kids there are, the more likely at least one will survive into adulthood. Advances in medicine and science means that even the kids that would have been left to die on the moors 500 years ago are able to live relatively normal lives. Education has also helped drive down the birth rate as more women focus on their careers rather than on becoming a mother.

 

[waffle]

None of it matters in the long run, the one child policy went on for way to long and China is on an essentially unstoppable course towards demographic and economic collapse because they have to many young men with no realistic chance to get married and too many old people that they aren't going to have the money/resources to take care of.

Honestly, the only thing they could do that might work is if they killed millions of old people and found some way to get a bunch of women to move to china to cure the gender imbalance. Depending on who you believe there are between 25 and 35 million more young men than women in China, and to top it off a lot of educated young women are choosing not to marry or marrying foreigners because they don't want to marry some no account peasant.

 

[millais]

Human traffickers and mail-order bride companies run a very brisk trade bringing Burmese, Vietnamese, and other Southeast Asian women to cities all over China to sell to unmarried men. It is not affordable for the extremely dirt poor people in China, but it is still pretty cheap and well within the reach of the lower middle class.

 

[AnOminous]

It's basically gaming the odds. The thinking is that the more kids there are, the more likely at least one will survive into adulthood.

It's also an insurance policy in societies with no safety net. The more you have, the more likely one survives and is able to take care of you when you're old.

In safe, prosperous societies, both men and women are well educated and have access to birth control, which depresses birth rates, and also, there is a tendency to put an incredible amount of resources into any child. When you're spending six figures all told to raise a child, you don't really want to raise a bunch of them. Hence your standard 2.1 or whatever children in industrial societies, or more worryingly, 1 point something, less than replacement, like Japan and Germany are having now.

 

[GS 281]

Too late, damage is already done. Have fun when you have more than twice the population of the US getting older, pissed off that there will be no care for them in a few years when they get old people problems. Thanks for the cheap plastic shit, too guys.

 

[Splendid]

I wonder if they're planning to reverse the fact that at current rates, the Indians outnumber them by 2050.

 

[CWCissey]

I wonder if they're planning to reverse the fact that at current rates, the Indians outnumber them by 2050.

Nah I doubt that, it's all about demographics. Their population is aging and the lack of kids as well as a skewed gender ratio means their heading for a societal and economic collapse as there are no workers to help provide for the oldies.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Great more spoiled brats that the parents won't discipline

 

[Bertram]

I find the effects of the one-child policy to be rather interesting. With a ratio of 118 males to 100 females, we're likely to see mass intermarriage between Chinese men and women of nearby nations. That or China will rapidly become the nation of gays and/or cuckolds.

 

[CWCissey]

I find the effects of the one-child policy to be rather interesting. With a ratio of 118 males to 100 females, we're likely to see mass intermarriage between Chinese men and women of nearby nations. That or China will rapidly become the nation of gays and/or cuckolds.

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