CN China’s Newest Nuclear Submarine Sank, Setting Back Its Military Modernization - Pierside accident came as Beijing attempts to expand its navy

By Michael R. Gordon
Sept. 26, 2024 11:00 am ET


China’s fleet of warships is eclipsing the U.S. As tensions between the two global powers grow, the U.S. is looking to South Korea, one of its biggest allies in Asia, to help increase its battleship supply. Photo: HD Hyundai Heavy Industries

WASHINGTON—China’s newest nuclear-powered attack submarine sank in the spring, a major setback for one of the country’s priority weapons programs, U.S. officials said.

The episode, which Chinese authorities scrambled to cover up and hasn’t previously been disclosed, occurred at a shipyard near Wuhan in late May or early June.

It comes as China has been pushing to expand its navy, including its fleet of nuclear-powered submarines.

The Pentagon has cast China as its principal long-term “pacing challenge,” and U.S. officials say that Beijing has been using political and military pressure to try to coerce Taiwan, a separately governed island that Beijing claims as part of its territory.

China says its goal in building a world-class military is to deter aggression and safeguard its overseas interests. A spokesman for the Chinese embassy didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

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A satellite image of Wuchang Shipyard in Wuhan, China, on June 13. Photo: Planet Labs PBC

The U.S. doesn’t know if the sub was carrying nuclear fuel at the time it sank, but experts outside the U.S. government said that was likely.

Undersea technology has long been an area of U.S. advantage, but China has been pushing hard to narrow the gap.

China has been moving to diversify the production of nuclear-powered submarines. Production has been centered in the northeastern city of Huludao, but China is now moving to manufacture nuclear-powered attack submarines at the Wuchang Shipyard near Wuhan.

Beijing had 48 diesel-powered attack subs and six nuclear-powered attack subs at the end of 2022, according to a Pentagon report issued last year on China’s military power,

That report said that China’s aim in developing new attack submarines, surface ships and naval aircraft is to counter efforts by the U.S. and its partners to come to Taiwan’s aid during a conflict and to achieve “maritime superiority” within the first island chain, a string of territory from the Japanese archipelago through Taiwan and the Philippines to the South China Sea.

The Zhou-class vessel that sank is the first of a new class of Chinese nuclear-powered subs and features a distinctive X-shaped stern, which is designed to make the vessel more maneuverable.

The sub was built by China State Shipbuilding Corp., a state-owned company, and was observed alongside a pier on the Yangtze River in late May when it was undergoing its final equipping before going to sea.

After the sinking, large floating cranes arrived in early June to salvage the sub from the river bed, according to satellite photos of the site.

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A satellite image of Wuchang Shipyard on May 16. Photo: Planet Labs PBC

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A satellite image of Wuchang Shipyard on June 15. Photo: Planet Labs PBC

“The sinking of a new nuclear sub that was produced at a new yard will slow China’s plans to grow its nuclear submarine fleet,” said Brent Sadler, a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a Washington think tank, and a retired U.S. Navy nuclear submarine officer. “This is significant.”

Neither the People’s Liberation Army, as the Chinese military is known, nor local authorities, have acknowledged the episode.

“It’s not surprising that the PLA Navy would try to conceal the fact that their new first-in-class nuclear-powered attack submarine sank pierside,” said a senior U.S. defense official. “In addition to the obvious questions about training standards and equipment quality, the incident raises deeper questions about the PLA’s internal accountability and oversight of China’s defense industry, which has long been plagued by corruption.”

The first public indication that something was amiss at the shipyard near Wuhan came in the summer when Thomas Shugart, a former U.S. submarine officer and an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, wrote a series of social-media posts noting the unusual activity of the floating cranes, which was captured by commercial satellite imagery.

Shugart surmised that there might have been an incident that involved a new type of submarine, but he didn’t know at the time that it was nuclear-powered.

“Can you imagine a U.S. nuclear submarine sinking in San Diego and the government hushes it up and doesn’t tell anybody about it? I mean, Holy Cow!” Shugart said in an interview this week with The Wall Street Journal.

While the submarine was salvaged, it will likely take many months before it can be put to sea.

“The whole boat would be full of water,” Shugart said. “You’d have to clean out all the electronics. The electric motors may need to be replaced. It would be a lot of work.”

American officials haven’t detected any indication that Chinese officials have sampled the water or nearby environment for radiation. It is possible Chinese personnel were killed or injured when the sub sank, but U.S. officials say they don’t know if there were casualties.

Shugart said that the risk of a nuclear leak was likely to be low as the sub hadn’t ventured out to sea and its reactors were probably not operating at a high power level.

The U.S. has suffered similar setbacks, which proved costly. In 1969, the nuclear-powered USS Guitarro was moored at a shipyard in California when it sank following a series of mistakes by construction workers. It wasn’t officially commissioned until 32 months after its sinking.

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The primary purpose of the Chinese military is be just good enough to make you actually wonder if they're the 800 Gorilla in the region or a paper tiger and not want to risk finding out. This isn't to say they're not a threat or that what they make sucks, it's just that no one knows where it is on the continuum of "Good as advertiser" to "Laughable shit" including probably the PLA themselves. Keep in mind they've been talking up the J-20 as a proper 5th Generation fight for years, but it's only just started testing or receiving the Supercruise capable locally manufactured engines they were designed around in the last year. Also canards on a stealth fighter is kinda lol worthy, but that's a lot of the Chinese military, like their preferring automatic grenade launchers in the suppression role because their manlet army is too physically weak to hump proper machine guns.
 
This isn't the first time the Chinks have lost a sub like this. There was another one that sank within the past couple years with all hands lost IIRC. And there's their latest carrier (Type 003 I believe) that's supposed to rival US carriers, which still hasn't launched yet because of all the problems it has. It's supposed to have electromagnetic catapults like the latest Ford class US carriers, but unlike the Ford class it's conventionally powered, not nuclear, so generating the power for the catapult system is going to be a challenge.

I'll never understand how countries like China and Russia can live with being such laughingstocks due to their military corruption and incompetence.
 
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WASHINGTON, Sept 26 (Reuters) - China's newest nuclear-powered attack submarine sank earlier this year, a senior U.S. defense official said on Thursday, a potential embarrassment for Beijing as it seeks to expand its military capabilities.
China already has the largest navy in the world, with over 370 ships, and it has embarked on production of a new generation of nuclear-armed submarines.
A senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said China's new first-in-class nuclear-powered attack submarine sank alongside a pier sometime between May and June.

A Chinese embassy spokesperson in Washington said they had no information to provide.
"We are not familiar with the situation you mentioned and currently have no information to provide," the Chinese official said.
The official said it was not clear what caused it to sink or whether it had nuclear fuel on board at the time.
"In addition to the obvious questions about training standards and equipment quality, the incident raises deeper questions about the PLA's internal accountability and oversight of China's defense industry - which has long been plagued by corruption," the official said, using an acronym for the People's Liberation Army.

"It's not surprising that the PLA Navy would try to conceal" the sinking, the official added.
Speaking in Taipei on Friday, Taiwan Defence Minister Wellington Koo said authorities "have a grasp of the situation through multiple intelligence and surveillance methods", but did not elaborate.
Taiwan, which China views as its own territory, keeps a close watch on the latter's military activities. In June, pictures appeared online of a Chinese nuclear submarine surfacing in the Taiwan Strait near Taiwan fishermen.

The Chinese submarine news was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
A series of satellite images from Planet Labs from June appear to show cranes at the Wuchang shipyard, where the submarine would have been docked.
As of 2022, China had six nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines, six nuclear-powered attack submarines and 48 diesel-powered attack submarines, according to a Pentagon report on China's military. That submarine force is expected to grow to 65 by 2025 and 80 by 2035, the U.S. Defense Department has said.

On Wednesday, China said it had successfully conducted a rare launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile into the Pacific Ocean, a move likely to raise international concerns about the country's nuclear buildup.
The United States and China held theater-level commander talks for the first time earlier this month, amid efforts to stabilize military ties and avoid misunderstandings, especially in regional hot spots such as the South China Sea.

Figured people could use a small whitepill about the China situation. Things aren't nearly as grim as people like to admit, nor is the PLA infalliable.
 
If I remember correctly it got caught in anti submarine netting and got stuck until they ran out of air. Leave it to China to make a submarine they can’t see out of lol.
 
Or your average public barutrama server.

If I remember correctly it got caught in anti submarine netting and got stuck until they ran out of air. Leave it to China to make a submarine they can’t see out of lol.
So where was the sub that they couldn't or more likely wouldn't signal for help?

Things aren't nearly as grim as people like to admit, nor is the PLA infalliable.
Who thinks they are infallible that isn't a paid shill?
 
Perfect time to share this hilarity. A compilation of chinesium stuff breaking apart and doing chinesium things.
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The Dude @ the 3:34 minute of the video. The stereo types are true.

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Chinese build quality at work. Nothing more than tin cans
They have an usually low number of nuclear attack subs for their Navy.

They don't seem to have too many issues with their diesel electric subs since the incident in the late 1990s that killed an entire crew....

No, this is literally just China. Chinese steel is garbage to weld on, can't imagine building a entire sub out of that shit.
Have you encountered Chinese HY80? That's what you make a sub out of. That is the Russian equivalent. HY-80 has been around since 1953....

The Bohai shipyard was the only nuke boat maker in China until they decide to spin up another nuke boat yard in Wuhan.

As for the non nuke Wuhan yard, it's been making diesel electric subs for decades and exported the newest class (Type 039B) to Pakistan and Thailand. No issues noted there.

China makes more ships than the rest of the planet combined. If they were that shit Korean and Japanese shipyards wouldn't have gotten a majority of their business taken away.

I have a feeling someone left the sea cocks open and the sub flooded.

At least it didn't have a Thresher or Scorpion event....
 
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Have you encountered Chinese HY80? That's what you make a sub out of. That is the Russian equivalent. HY-80 has been around since 1953....

The Bohai shipyard was the only nuke boat maker in China until they decide to spin up another nuke boat yard in Wuhan.

As for the non nuke Wuhan yard, it's been making diesel electric subs for decades and exported the newest class (Type 039B) to Pakistan and Thailand. No issues noted there.

China makes more ships than the rest of the planet combined. If they were that shit Korean and Japanese shipyards wouldn't have gotten a majority of their business taken away.

I have a feeling someone left the sea cocks open and the sub flooded.

At least it didn't have a Thresher or Scorpion event....
Chinese steel is always inferior to American or European stock. Always. Just because it floats doesn't mean its good. Its terrible to weld on. Its only pro is that its cheap. The alloy mixture is shit. I fully suspect hull failure along the weld lines.
They have an usually low number of nuclear attack subs for their Navy.

They don't seem to have too many issues with their diesel electric subs since the incident in the late 1990s that killed an entire crew....
Their diesel subs have been noted for being noisy as fuck. Bad engineering.
 
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Not in this specific case, but Chinesium quality on a lot of shit sucks balls because it's the result of prison labor. The zeks don't care. Why would they?
 
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