CN China's Tibetan Buddhists urged to obey reincarnation rules - Dalai Lama, 89, mulls successor

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Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, speaks at an interactive session organised by Indian Chamber of Commerce on "Revival of Ancient Knowledge" in Kolkata, India, on Nov 23, 2017. (Photo: Reuters)

Senior Buddhist figures in China have emphasised the importance of government approval in the recognition of reincarnated Tibetan religious leaders, at a meeting this week less than a year before the Dalai Lama is expected to announce his succession plan.

More than 50 Tibetan Buddhist monks and religious experts attended a seminar in Lanzhou, Gansu province, on Tuesday about policies and regulations for the "reincarnation of living Buddhas in Tibetan Buddhism", according to Tibet.cn, an official Beijing-based website.

The Wednesday report said the attendees were from "related provinces and regions", referring to areas with significant Tibetan populations, including Tibet autonomous region and the provinces of Sichuan, Qinghai and Gansu.

Several elite monks from the official Buddhist Association of China gave speeches, followed by a discussion among monks and experts.

The report did not give details of the speeches and discussions, but said the meeting adhered to Xi Jinping Thought and "earnestly implemented" the ruling Communist Party's policies on religious work and Tibet, adding that the seminar would help "promote the healthy transmission" of Tibetan Buddhism and make it "compatible with socialist society".

It added that the seminar would "guide monks and [Tibetan Buddhism] followers to a more objective understanding of the historical customs, religious rituals, and policies and regulations of the reincarnation of living Buddhas".

Tibetan Buddhists would also "fully understand" that historical customs, including government approval, were "an important principle to be followed in the reincarnation", the report said.

These requirements are based on measures adopted in 2007 to regulate the reincarnation of living Buddhas, which state that the reincarnation must be recognised by Beijing.

The meeting was organised by the High-Level Tibetan Buddhism College of China, a Beijing-based school that trains officially recognised Tibetan Buddhist monks.

The article did not name the Dalai Lama, but controversy around the topic of his reincarnation has been a constant source of tension between Beijing and the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader.

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A man stands in front of a sign marking 70 years since Chinese rule over Tibet Autonomous Region, on the Potala Palace Square during a government-organised media tour to Lhasa, Tibet Autonomous Region, China, on June 1, 2021. (Photo: Reuters)

Beijing has accused the Nobel peace laureate of being a "separatist" and of inciting unrest among Tibetans in China in the 1980s and in 2008. There have long been concerns that his death could trigger social tensions.

The current Dalai Lama, who turned 89 in July, has indicated that he will address the issue of his reincarnation when he turns 90.

The Dalai Lama has disagreed with Beijing over the reincarnation of several other living Buddhas in Tibetan Buddhism. He previously proposed ending his reincarnation, which would avoid Beijing's involvement in the matter. But Beijing has insisted that his reincarnation must follow Chinese law.

According to Tibetan Buddhist tradition, when the Dalai Lama dies, he will be reincarnated as a young child. This child must be found through a series of searches and rituals.

The selection was traditionally made by respected Tibetan monks. A Qing dynasty (1644-1911) emperor tried to do it through a lottery-like ritual known as the Golden Urn starting in the late 18th century. But the tradition was disrupted by turmoil and wars in China in the early 20th century. The ritual was later endorsed by the Communist Party and incorporated into official regulations in 2007.

Following the death of another Tibetan religious leader, the Panchen Lama, in 1989, a government-led search team identified a child as his reincarnation through the Golden Urn ritual in 1995. But the Dalai Lama has refused to recognise him.

According to tradition, the next Dalai Lama must be recognised by the current Panchen Lama, who sits on the Standing Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the country's top political advisory body.

Tibet was seized by the People's Liberation Army in 1950, a year after the Communist Party won China's civil war. The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in India since fleeing a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

State-backed religious figures and scholars have reaffirmed Beijing's stance on the Dalai Lama's reincarnation several times this year.

The college held a seminar in Beijing on the same topic in March.

Laxianjia, deputy director of the Institute of Religious Studies at the semi-official China Tibetology Research Centre, told a forum in June that Beijing had "natural" authority to identify the Dalai Lama's reincarnation.

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According to Tibetan Buddhist tradition, when the Dalai Lama dies, he will be reincarnated as a young child. This child must be found through a series of searches and rituals.
This is not a rule nor an obligation. The dalai llama does NOT have to rebirth. He can choose parinibbana, to escape samsara. He is not bound by some obligation to remain here on earth in a new form. He's already achieved nibbana on Earth. There is nothing in Buddhism that says he must rebirth instead of parinibbana. If he believes his work here is done, he will choose parinibbana.

The dalai llama is just another Bodhisattva, albeit a dishonest one because they claim to be a rebirth of something that does not exist (Avolokitesvara).
 
This would be the face of a Buddhist if he was invited to a wedding.

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Instead of being happy for other people's happiness, the Buddhist is displeased by the fact that weddings are so joyful. He looks at the wedding photo where people are smiling, and throws it on the ground. "That's not the way to enlightenment," he thinks to himself. Those people are not really happy. It can't be! The real way to nirvana is to sit in a Buddhist monastery and to look like a living corpse. If you are lucky, you die completely. No more reincarnation. No more weddings. No more smiles. Just death.

But don't you dare call Buddhism nihilistic!
 
This is not a rule nor an obligation. The dalai llama does NOT have to rebirth. He can choose parinibbana, to escape samsara. He is not bound by some obligation to remain here on earth in a new form. He's already achieved nibbana on Earth. There is nothing in Buddhism that says he must rebirth instead of parinibbana. If he believes his work here is done, he will choose parinibbana.

The dalai llama is just another Bodhisattva, albeit a dishonest one because they claim to be a rebirth of something that does not exist (Avolokitesvara).
Not used to Buddhist sectarianism on here, can you explain more?
 
This would be the face of a Buddhist if he was invited to a wedding.

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Instead of being happy for other people's happiness, the Buddhist is displeased by the fact that weddings are so joyful. He looks at the wedding photo where people are smiling, and throws it on the ground. "That's not the way to enlightenment," he thinks to himself. Those people are not really happy. It can't be! The real way to nirvana is to sit in a Buddhist monastery and to look like a living corpse. If you are lucky, you die completely. No more reincarnation. No more weddings. No more smiles. Just death.

But don't you dare call Buddhism nihilistic!
I wouldn’t call it nihilistic, exactly. It’s more like extreme avoidance. “If you become attached to something, you’ll be sad if you lose it. Therefore the obvious solution is to avoid all attachments. If nothing makes you happy, you’ll never have to be sad!”
 
Not used to Buddhist sectarianism on here, can you explain more?
"Nibbana" is an alternate, much less common spelling of "nirvana", which you've probably heard of, if only because of the band.

So the broad strokes are this.

Everyone is trapped in a cycle of reincarnation called samsara. If you're in samsara, you're gonna come back when you die. This is the default state of all living things.

The only way to escape samsara is to achieve nirvana. Only humans can do this, and it's basically just a state of mind. You have to not want to reincarnate. This is extremely difficult, because the alternative to reincarnation is parinirvana: not truly existing at all. No heaven, no self, nothing. You're gone. But you're also happy, somehow. It doesn't really make a lot of sense and, in general, you're encouraged not to think about it. The more you think about it the more likely you are to choose reincarnation for fear of not knowing what's "next".

Now you may be wondering, if the Buddha achieved nirvana, why is he still reincarnating as the dalai lama? This is where it gets complicated and different sects believe different things. Most believe he's reincarnating by choice despite achieving nirvana. This is normally impossible because wanting to reincarnate means, by definition, that you haven't achieved nirvana, but he's the Buddha so he's special. He can somehow do things without wanting to do them.
 
It doesn't really make a lot of sense and, in general, you're encouraged not to think about it
I get that too a certain extent all religion is like this, but damn. When it comes to the Religions of South Asia they really take it to the next level.
 
Buddhism is really dark stuff when you really look at it, rather than the fluffy stuff the west sees it as.
Also; I’ve noticed that as our own migrant horde takes over, you’re no longer allowed to talk about how the Han chinese have started ethnically replacing the Tibetans. Funny that.
 
Buddhism is really dark stuff when you really look at it, rather than the fluffy stuff the west sees it as.
A lot of the promotion is just a "anything but Christianity" fad, similarly to troonism.

It's an atheistic faith in theory, which is why it gets whacked off so much by "intellectuals," but in practice Buddha is treated no different than a god.
 
It just seems so nihilistic to me. Yes attachment leads to suffering, but it’s the flip side of the joy it gives you. Without suffering or boredom, joy is meaningless. That doesn’t mean any of us want suffering but it’s like saying that because you can’t eat chocolate for every meal you should starve yourself to death.
Better to have loved and lost and all that.
 
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Didnt he already choose a right hand man who was a potential successor, the Panchen Lama, the kid and whos family was kidnapped and guantanamoed in the 90s? Very dark stuff, theyve not been seen since 94 and the CCP installed one of their own in the same position but theyve admitted that they did kidnap the kid and his family. Thats better than just lying about it.
Also; I’ve noticed that as our own migrant horde takes over, you’re no longer allowed to talk about how the Han chinese have started ethnically replacing the Tibetans. Funny that.
Its a very tough realization that humanity has not progressed much since the so called industrial revolution/WWII and whatever we consider haram in a historical context, ethnic genocide, colonialism, authoritarianism etc still happens on a regular basis in different places we consider out of our scope. For all of these people crying about Palestine, there are at least 3-5 more instances of ethnic genocide/colonialism I can name which are happening or have happened in the past 50 years if we are to consider the history of geopolitics and not black vs white.
Buddhism is really dark stuff when you really look at it, rather than the fluffy stuff the west sees it as.
It just seems so nihilistic to me. Yes attachment leads to suffering, but it’s the flip side of the joy it gives you. Without suffering or boredom, joy is meaningless. That doesn’t mean any of us want suffering but it’s like saying that because you can’t eat chocolate for every meal you should starve yourself to death.
Better to have loved and lost and all that.
I still like it cause it seems to reflect the reality of human existence the most accurately out of all religions and it doesnt require the super complex falsities of myth to explain its concepts. Closest religion Ive seen to Nietzschianism which is very ironic.

EDIT: Also I have to shill Kundun if anybody wants to learn about the Lama system and Tibetian Buddhism. Very good movie which was memoryholed into oblivion cause it depicts Maos genocide of the Tibetians.
 
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