CN China's Tibetan Buddhists urged to obey reincarnation rules - Dalai Lama, 89, mulls successor

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Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, speaks at an interactive session organised by Indian Chamber of Commerce on "Revival of Ancient Knowledge" in Kolkata, India, on Nov 23, 2017. (Photo: Reuters)

Senior Buddhist figures in China have emphasised the importance of government approval in the recognition of reincarnated Tibetan religious leaders, at a meeting this week less than a year before the Dalai Lama is expected to announce his succession plan.

More than 50 Tibetan Buddhist monks and religious experts attended a seminar in Lanzhou, Gansu province, on Tuesday about policies and regulations for the "reincarnation of living Buddhas in Tibetan Buddhism", according to Tibet.cn, an official Beijing-based website.

The Wednesday report said the attendees were from "related provinces and regions", referring to areas with significant Tibetan populations, including Tibet autonomous region and the provinces of Sichuan, Qinghai and Gansu.

Several elite monks from the official Buddhist Association of China gave speeches, followed by a discussion among monks and experts.

The report did not give details of the speeches and discussions, but said the meeting adhered to Xi Jinping Thought and "earnestly implemented" the ruling Communist Party's policies on religious work and Tibet, adding that the seminar would help "promote the healthy transmission" of Tibetan Buddhism and make it "compatible with socialist society".

It added that the seminar would "guide monks and [Tibetan Buddhism] followers to a more objective understanding of the historical customs, religious rituals, and policies and regulations of the reincarnation of living Buddhas".

Tibetan Buddhists would also "fully understand" that historical customs, including government approval, were "an important principle to be followed in the reincarnation", the report said.

These requirements are based on measures adopted in 2007 to regulate the reincarnation of living Buddhas, which state that the reincarnation must be recognised by Beijing.

The meeting was organised by the High-Level Tibetan Buddhism College of China, a Beijing-based school that trains officially recognised Tibetan Buddhist monks.

The article did not name the Dalai Lama, but controversy around the topic of his reincarnation has been a constant source of tension between Beijing and the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader.

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A man stands in front of a sign marking 70 years since Chinese rule over Tibet Autonomous Region, on the Potala Palace Square during a government-organised media tour to Lhasa, Tibet Autonomous Region, China, on June 1, 2021. (Photo: Reuters)

Beijing has accused the Nobel peace laureate of being a "separatist" and of inciting unrest among Tibetans in China in the 1980s and in 2008. There have long been concerns that his death could trigger social tensions.

The current Dalai Lama, who turned 89 in July, has indicated that he will address the issue of his reincarnation when he turns 90.

The Dalai Lama has disagreed with Beijing over the reincarnation of several other living Buddhas in Tibetan Buddhism. He previously proposed ending his reincarnation, which would avoid Beijing's involvement in the matter. But Beijing has insisted that his reincarnation must follow Chinese law.

According to Tibetan Buddhist tradition, when the Dalai Lama dies, he will be reincarnated as a young child. This child must be found through a series of searches and rituals.

The selection was traditionally made by respected Tibetan monks. A Qing dynasty (1644-1911) emperor tried to do it through a lottery-like ritual known as the Golden Urn starting in the late 18th century. But the tradition was disrupted by turmoil and wars in China in the early 20th century. The ritual was later endorsed by the Communist Party and incorporated into official regulations in 2007.

Following the death of another Tibetan religious leader, the Panchen Lama, in 1989, a government-led search team identified a child as his reincarnation through the Golden Urn ritual in 1995. But the Dalai Lama has refused to recognise him.

According to tradition, the next Dalai Lama must be recognised by the current Panchen Lama, who sits on the Standing Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the country's top political advisory body.

Tibet was seized by the People's Liberation Army in 1950, a year after the Communist Party won China's civil war. The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in India since fleeing a failed uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

State-backed religious figures and scholars have reaffirmed Beijing's stance on the Dalai Lama's reincarnation several times this year.

The college held a seminar in Beijing on the same topic in March.

Laxianjia, deputy director of the Institute of Religious Studies at the semi-official China Tibetology Research Centre, told a forum in June that Beijing had "natural" authority to identify the Dalai Lama's reincarnation.

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The only way to escape samsara is to achieve nirvana. Only humans can do this, and it's basically just a state of mind. You have to not want to reincarnate. This is extremely difficult, because the alternative to reincarnation is parinirvana: not truly existing at all. No heaven, no self, nothing. You're gone. But you're also happy, somehow. It doesn't really make a lot of sense and, in general, you're encouraged not to think about it. The more you think about it the more likely you are to choose reincarnation for fear of not knowing what's "next".
This is not correct. Nirvana is a state of mind that can be achieved while alive. Parinirvana can only be achieved after death (the choice to not rebirth).

Reincarnation is not a thing in buddhism. It's called Rebirth. Nirvana is 'enlightenment' (no heaven, no self, no nothing), just as parinirvana is.

You ARE encouraged to think about it. It's not demonized to think about it. It should actually be a focal point of your goals, including during meditation. You don't "fear of not knowing what's next". That would mean you haven't reached nirvana. Thus you are unwillingly rebirthed. Nirvana is a state of mind. IIRC the only humans that can't reach nirvana is those who are mentally disturbed.

Now you may be wondering, if the Buddha achieved nirvana, why is he still reincarnating as the dalai lama? This is where it gets complicated and different sects believe different things. Most believe he's reincarnating by choice despite achieving nirvana. This is normally impossible because wanting to reincarnate means, by definition, that you haven't achieved nirvana, but he's the Buddha so he's special. He can somehow do things without wanting to do them.
Wrong. Anyone who achieves nirvana can choose WILLINGLY to rebirth. Those who have rebirthed willingly are called bodhisattvas, and they choose to teach others how to achieve enlightenment. You can also choose parinirvana, which is to escape samsara (aka never rebirth). If you have not reached nirvana, you are forced to rebirth until you reach nirvana.

The Dalai Llama chose to rebirth instead of parinirvana, but apparently he might choose this time to achieve parinirvana.

It just seems so nihilistic to me. Yes attachment leads to suffering, but it’s the flip side of the joy it gives you. Without suffering or boredom, joy is meaningless. That doesn’t mean any of us want suffering but it’s like saying that because you can’t eat chocolate for every meal you should starve yourself to death.
Better to have loved and lost and all that.
It's people who don't understand what buddhism is actually about that assumes this is what buddhism is about. Theravada buddhism is the most restrictive with the most obtuse shit that was added on here and there. Mahayana Buddhism follows the word of Siddhartha Gautama and his followers and their oral passingdown. It is the closest and most 'untainted' version of Buddhism that Siddhartha was aiming for. You can achive parinirvana whilst eating chocolate. Don't be a slave to your mind, your desires, your cravings. But you can enjoy satisfying those things in Buddhism. It's more complicated than I'm letting on but I mean I can eat these mozarella sticks because I want to and still reach parinirvana because it isn't gonna incur karma to dirty my soul.

Buddhism is really dark stuff when you really look at it, rather than the fluffy stuff the west sees it as.
It really isn't that dark. Different denominations can get pretty retarded with it, including those that incorporate stupid ass Jain ideology. But shit like Mahayana Buddhism is very cool.
 
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This is not correct. Nirvana is a state of mind that can be achieved while alive. Parinirvana can only be achieved after death (the choice to not rebirth).

Reincarnation is not a thing in buddhism. It's called Rebirth. Nirvana is 'enlightenment' (no heaven, no self, no nothing), just as parinirvana is.

You ARE encouraged to think about it. It's not demonized to think about it. It should actually be a focal point of your goals, including during meditation. You don't "fear of not knowing what's next". That would mean you haven't reached nirvana. Thus you are unwillingly rebirthed. Nirvana is a state of mind. IIRC the only humans that can't reach nirvana is those who are mentally disturbed.
Pretty much all of this is what I said, just worded differently. Except for the part about thinking about parinirvana. I was told that it's impossible to even comprehend it so it's not worth thinking about. We know it's good somehow, but beyond that it's something that you don't come back from so there's no actual information about it, thus there's no real reason to worry about it.

I didn't mean it's somehow a forbidden topic, I meant there's just no reason to think about it. It's like Christians asking what came before God. The answer is incomprehensible to a human being, so we just leave it at "nothing" and try not to worry about it.

Anyone who achieves nirvana can choose WILLINGLY to rebirth.
But if you're choosing to rebirth, then it's because you want to. And if you want to, you're still fettered by desire. Thus you haven't reached nirvana. At least, that's what some would say.

I did say that the specifics here depend on which branch of Buddhism you're talking about. Some believe that anyone can be a bodhisattva. Some believe there have only been a few, ever.
 
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But if you're choosing to rebirth, then it's because you want to. And if you want to, you're still fettered by desire. Thus you haven't reached nirvana. At least, that's what some would say.
You're misconstruing wants to karma. Wanting alone doesn't accrue karma. It's the type of desire that does. Even in the eightfold sutra the desire to treat everyone as though they were your mother is a desire that is cherished.

If you're choosing rebirth, it's due to a selfless need to help others achieve nirvana (even if you personally consider it a "want" and not a "need" to help others save themselves). It will incur no karma upon your soul to do so. You are willingly choosing to return to suffering in your next life in order to save others. That is truly selfless because you gain nothing from it in the end since you've already reached nirvana.

If I were a buddhist I'd rather just parinirvana because I know I'm not the right type of person to teach others. I don't believe everyone can be a bodhisattva because most people aren't good teachers.
 
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You're misconstruing wants to karma. Wanting alone doesn't accrue karma. It's the type of desire that does. Even in the eightfold sutra the desire to treat everyone as though they were your mother is a desire that is cherished.
I guess it depends on how you look at it and why you want to come back. According to the four noble truths, suffering is caused by desire. Only by letting go of all desire can you escape samsara. However, the four truths are pretty vague, hence all the different branches of Buddhism. I was taught that any sort of desire at all leads to suffering. But I can see why it might make more sense to say that attachment to samsara itself is the real root cause of suffering.
 
suffering is caused by desire
The Four Noble Truths elaborate that suffering is caused by a multitude of things. Not just desire. Dukkha is more a desire for bettering of your own circumstances rather than that of others. Turning away from parinirvana to rebirth as a bodhisattva is the biggest thing you could do to show you have overcome dukkha in your current life. Having a craving for chocolate is not you being attached to life. It is not being able to control your craving that takes away nirvana from you.

Achieving nirvana does not mean you have a great life. It means you've let go of everything whilst still being functional member of society. Some Japanese sects practice Sallekhana, though Japanese Buddhism tends to be corrupted mashups of multiple religions including Jainism (which sallekhana is from).
I was taught that any sort of desire at all leads to suffering
I hate that Theravada was basically the 'face' of Buddhism even though it wasn't explicitly what Siddhartha was preaching. It's like catholicism compared to the original Christianity as jesus taught it. It's been corrupted by Jains. Why fucking bother living if you're a Jainist. Just fuckin sallekhana yourself at that point, all that fuckin starvation and torture you have to do to yourself just to lose karma every single day of your life. If you so much as step on a bug you're going to be reborn as a sheep who will be raped by her own son and then as a chicken that fights to the death with her son and rebirthed over and over in these horrific situations until you can finally get rebirthed as a human to fuck up all over again. Fuck Jainism and I'm not a fan of Theravada Buddhism.
 
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It's people who don't understand what buddhism is actually about that assumes this is what buddhism is about.
Explain? Genuinely, I am interested. I get the attachment leading to suffering thing.
The reason I ask is because personality wise, I’m an anxious worrier. Especially over my family. And the most peaceful thing would have been to never have a family, or to reach some kind of state that means that I can deal with anything happening to them. Yet the flip side of that is that if I attained that state I would be lesser. My love for them would be lesser.

I’m trying (badly I feel) to point out that the idea of Christian ‘agape’ love (the Greek word, meaning a kind of charitable love which is always mistranslated) is completely central to Christian doctrine. Without it we are as empty vessels. And that requires the ability to suffer. The lack of suffering is not, IMO, a state to be aimed at. It’s a process to endure and learn from. Without suffering there is no learning. Without love, real love, not lust, there is no point. To have progressed beyond the need for either is not something I think is positive,

Just my thoughts any way. I think the idea of nothingness as hell is also central, the idea of a frozen lake or being erased from the book of life, all that is very central to European doctrine and culture.
There is something appealing in the surface about Buddhism but when I look deeper I find it very dark somehow.
 
I hate that Theravada was basically the 'face' of Buddhism even though it wasn't explicitly what Siddhartha was preaching. It's like catholicism compared to the original Christianity as jesus taught it. It's been corrupted by Jains. Why fucking bother living if you're a Jainist. Just fuckin sallekhana yourself at that point, all that fuckin starvation and torture you have to do to yourself just to lose karma every single day of your life. If you so much as step on a bug you're going to be reborn as a sheep who will be raped by her own son and then as a chicken that fights to the death with her son and rebirthed over and over in these horrific situations until you can finally get rebirthed as a human to fuck up all over again. Fuck Jainism and I'm not a fan of Theravada Buddhism.
Yeah, pretty much. Most of my familiarity with Buddhism comes from over two decades ago and is very dark and dreary. Nihilism: the religion. I know not all Buddhism is like that, but it's probably the form most westerners are familiar with. That or the made up form that college aged women adopted that's basically "if you're nice then the universe will make your life better" with no further depth or teachings.
 
Explain? Genuinely, I am interested. I get the attachment leading to suffering thing.
The reason I ask is because personality wise, I’m an anxious worrier. Especially over my family. And the most peaceful thing would have been to never have a family, or to reach some kind of state that means that I can deal with anything happening to them. Yet the flip side of that is that if I attained that state I would be lesser. My love for them would be lesser.

I’m trying (badly I feel) to point out that the idea of Christian ‘agape’ love (the Greek word, meaning a kind of charitable love which is always mistranslated) is completely central to Christian doctrine. Without it we are as empty vessels. And that requires the ability to suffer. The lack of suffering is not, IMO, a state to be aimed at. It’s a process to endure and learn from. Without suffering there is no learning. Without love, real love, not lust, there is no point. To have progressed beyond the need for either is not something I think is positive,

Just my thoughts any way. I think the idea of nothingness as hell is also central, the idea of a frozen lake or being erased from the book of life, all that is very central to European doctrine and culture.
There is something appealing in the surface about Buddhism but when I look deeper I find it very dark somehow.
 
Explain? Genuinely, I am interested. I get the attachment leading to suffering thing.
The reason I ask is because personality wise, I’m an anxious worrier. Especially over my family. And the most peaceful thing would have been to never have a family, or to reach some kind of state that means that I can deal with anything happening to them. Yet the flip side of that is that if I attained that state I would be lesser. My love for them would be lesser.

I’m trying (badly I feel) to point out that the idea of Christian ‘agape’ love (the Greek word, meaning a kind of charitable love which is always mistranslated) is completely central to Christian doctrine. Without it we are as empty vessels. And that requires the ability to suffer. The lack of suffering is not, IMO, a state to be aimed at. It’s a process to endure and learn from. Without suffering there is no learning. Without love, real love, not lust, there is no point. To have progressed beyond the need for either is not something I think is positive,

Just my thoughts any way. I think the idea of nothingness as hell is also central, the idea of a frozen lake or being erased from the book of life, all that is very central to European doctrine and culture.
There is something appealing in the surface about Buddhism but when I look deeper I find it very dark somehow.
At least with Mahayana Buddhism, there are some themes that tie with Christianity (though they were conceived about 500BCE before Christianity was formed). We must love everyone as though they were our own mothers. That agape is so different from eros. You know that feeling of agape. It's the same that we should feel for everyone. Philia if nothing else. That is what is spoken of in the Noble Eightfold Path. Of course, we worry for others. Meditation is supposed to assuage us outside of the immediate situation. You should not let it take control of you and run your life for you. That is the same with every emotion. If you let lust run your life, you're gonna fuck yourself over eventually. If you let anxiety run your life, you'r gonna fuck yourself over eventually. If you meditate, you become master of your emotions in time. Buddhism is becoming friends with yourself. You see yourself as though you're the lowest among all and respectfully hold others to be supreme.

As you get older, it becomes easier to control your reactions and the emotions that arise. That's why most people who achieve nirvana are older.

From the Eightfold Path: "I want all my mothers to be happy and hopeful and take upon myself (secretly) all the pain and suffering they feel." So your anxiety is not misplaced. If you want to be Buddhist, you'll have to learn not to let that anxiety control you. Don't let it prevent you from doing things you need to get done. Just as Christians must sacrifice to love all people unconditionally, so too must Buddhists.

I think Buddhism is a great companion to Christianity. It doesn't worship a god so it doesn't violate Christian beliefs. The only issue is the become nothingness part, but it teaches you greatly how to be friends with yourself and control yourself emotionally whereas Christianity much less so. Christianity teaches you how to be good to others but only tells you to be good to yourself (not much so how).
 
What is the difference between Taoism and Buddhism?

Daoism is tied to ancient Chinese philosophies of a hidden natural order that is in all things. It was a theory that everything in the universe functions according to the principles of duality - two opposing forces / concepts / matter and their relation to one another. The I-Ching is the book that laid the foundation for what would eventually become Daoism. The concepts of yin and yang can be seen as a way to explore the relationship between two things and divine how they interact.

For example, we can put the Sun and the Moon as Yin and Yang. The sun is larger, vastly more powerful, everything orbits around it in the solar system and it is older. The moon is smaller, has very little power by comparison, orbits around the earth primarily and is younger.

We can see how they form a yin / yang relationship in the way they complement each other and differ from one another. The secret that most people don't get about Daoism is that it isn't just a binary system but it actually uses two binary extremes to create a multitude of things. This is seen in the I-Ching.

The sun is Yin, the moon is Yang, and the Earth would be considered the "middle ground" or the Tai Chi.

This is just a very short description of a complex religion that Im writing while taking a shit.
 
Daoism is tied to ancient Chinese philosophies of a hidden natural order that is in all things. It was a theory that everything in the universe functions according to the principles of duality - two opposing forces / concepts / matter and their relation to one another. The I-Ching is the book that laid the foundation for what would eventually become Daoism. The concepts of yin and yang can be seen as a way to explore the relationship between two things and divine how they interact.

For example, we can put the Sun and the Moon as Yin and Yang. The sun is larger, vastly more powerful, everything orbits around it in the solar system and it is older. The moon is smaller, has very little power by comparison, orbits around the earth primarily and is younger.

We can see how they form a yin / yang relationship in the way they complement each other and differ from one another. The secret that most people don't get about Daoism is that it isn't just a binary system but it actually uses two binary extremes to create a multitude of things. This is seen in the I-Ching.

The sun is Yin, the moon is Yang, and the Earth would be considered the "middle ground" or the Tai Chi.

This is just a very short description of a complex religion that Im writing while taking a shit.
Thank you LOL
 
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