Chris and Depression

[Green Nidoking]

Oh yeah. I mentioned the part-time job thing or even just volunteering earlier, I think. It's just that I think people have expected more from him, and I don't think it's really feasible.

And to be fair, did she ("she"? Know something the CWCki doesn't say?) ever really have a reason not to fold fairly quickly? Chris wasn't someone she ever met or had much of a reason to be personally involved with, especially when he appeared to be resisting change or not really doing that much to improve himself. She couldn't really have been expected to step up to mother him.

I know she isn't really a good example, but I'm not sure if there's a better one, frankly.

 

[Marvin]

Oh yeah. I mentioned the part-time job thing or even just volunteering earlier, I think. It's just that I think people have expected more from him, and I don't think it's really feasible.

Ah, well, Chris in his current state? No, it's silly to expect too much from him. Hell, it's silly to expect a job at all from him now, because Barb is responsible for almost all of his current situation nowadays. That includes him being a huge pussy. And because he's a huge pussy, he can't contradict her or decide to grow a pair and get a job and rebuild his life or anything like that. He's a huge pussy.

And to be fair, did she ("she"? Know something the CWCki doesn't say?) ever really have a reason not to fold fairly quickly? Chris wasn't someone she ever met or had much of a reason to be personally involved with, especially when he appeared to be resisting change or not really doing that much to improve himself. She couldn't really have been expected to step up to mother him.

I know she isn't really a good example, but I'm not sure if there's a better one, frankly.

Well, it just comes down to whether or not Chris is permanently resistant or if he's just obnoxious, but his wall is still penetrable (how my spell check spells it?). I think "she" folded too quickly because the popular notion that Chris is permanently resistant came from a long time of watching him. Like, long after her dealings with Chris. Although the less popular notion that he's obnoxious, but not necessarily impenetrable, came from a few recent, but not always public dealings that showed that Chris can accept other worldviews, mostly because he's so desperate about how shitty his life is.

("she"? Know something the CWCki doesn't say?)

I know everything.

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy]

And it's depressing. If he could manage to go out there and do a couple four-hour shifts volunteering at an animal shelter on weekends (hopefully in a way that would minimize his interaction with other people, all things considered) it'd probably do him a world of good.

But he'd had to stick to working for a while for the effects to work. As many people have said on this thread, getting out of depression is not easy. It takes a while with lots of effort which something Chris will refuse to put into.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

You can make points and he'll respond. I mean, at first with whines and shitty troll counterpoints, but those are trivial to shut down. And then he can try to give some better retorts, and you can react to those at well. I mean, ultimately, it's a genuine conversation and you can actually tell Chris what to do. He converses and it goes back and forth.

But to be fair, as soon as the conversation is over, he'll start gravitating back toward whatever insane idea he believed in the first place. You can drag him out of the quicksand of his bullshit, but unless you're constantly holding on, he'll start sinking back whenever you take a break.

 

[Marvin]

You can make points and he'll respond. I mean, at first with whines and shitty troll counterpoints, but those are trivial to shut down. And then he can try to give some better retorts, and you can react to those at well. I mean, ultimately, it's a genuine conversation and you can actually tell Chris what to do. He converses and it goes back and forth.

But to be fair, as soon as the conversation is over, he'll start gravitating back toward whatever insane idea he believed in the first place. You can drag him out of the quicksand of his bullshit, but unless you're constantly holding on, he'll start sinking back whenever you take a break.

Yeah, but I think you could get past that with persistence. Merely one conversation? Oh sure, he'll go back to his usual beliefs, of course. But if you really get on his ass, consistently, extract promises and frequently check up on those promises, I think you can get results from him. You've got to change Chris' views so that breaking a promise for you is the scariest thing in his mind. He needs to be so afraid of pissing you off. So his natural cowardice will take over.

Heh, really, that's the same theory behind why I think a caretaker with control of Chris would work. He'd listen to them because the alternative, jail or homelessness, is scarier to Chris and a better alternative than just obeying. That's how Barb gets her q-sands.

 

[Green Nidoking]

Yeah, but I think you could get past that with persistence. Merely one conversation? Oh sure, he'll go back to his usual beliefs, of course. But if you really get on his ass, consistently, extract promises and frequently check up on those promises, I think you can get results from him. You've got to change Chris' views so that breaking a promise for you is the scariest thing in his mind. He needs to be so afraid of pissing you off. So his natural cowardice will take over.

Heh, really, that's the same theory behind why I think a caretaker with control of Chris would work. He'd listen to them because the alternative, jail or homelessness, is scarier to Chris and a better alternative than just obeying. That's how Barb gets her q-sands.

Respect would probably work as a motivator, almost as much as being afraid of pissing someone off.

Unfortunately, Chris doesn't seem to respect many people, even the ones he likes. When Anna (of all people) called him out on his homophobic comment, he just brushed her off entirely. Last time a friend of mine said something like that to me, I immediately felt like a massive douche for not thinking through what I'd said and apologized.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, but I think you could get past that with persistence. Merely one conversation? Oh sure, he'll go back to his usual beliefs, of course. But if you really get on his ass, consistently, extract promises and frequently check up on those promises, I think you can get results from him. You've got to change Chris' views so that breaking a promise for you is the scariest thing in his mind. He needs to be so afraid of pissing you off. So his natural cowardice will take over.

Heh, really, that's the same theory behind why I think a caretaker with control of Chris would work. He'd listen to them because the alternative, jail or homelessness, is scarier to Chris and a better alternative than just obeying. That's how Barb gets her q-sands.

Respect would probably work as a motivator, almost as much as being afraid of pissing someone off.

Unfortunately, Chris doesn't seem to respect many people, even the ones he likes. When Anna (of all people) called him out on his homophobic comment, he just brushed her off entirely. Last time a friend of mine said something like that to me, I immediately felt like a massive douche for not thinking through what I'd said and apologized.

Yeah... I guess, hypothetically. But in practice, I don't believe there's anyone that Chris could respect. Really, not even Barb. He just fears Barb.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Yeah... I guess, hypothetically. But in practice, I don't believe there's anyone that Chris could respect. Really, not even Barb. He just fears Barb.

Which is a big part of why he's lonely and depressed - you can't truly be friends or have a healthy romantic relationship with someone unless you consider them to be a peer. But Chris doesn't consider anyone his peer. He thinks he's better than everyone, and he only toes the line when those lesser people unfairly have (for reasons he can't figure out) the power to threaten him.

 

[milkshark]

Yeah... I guess, hypothetically. But in practice, I don't believe there's anyone that Chris could respect. Really, not even Barb. He just fears Barb.

Which is a big part of why he's lonely and depressed - you can't truly be friends or have a healthy romantic relationship with someone unless you consider them to be a peer. But Chris doesn't consider anyone his peer. He thinks he's better than everyone, and he only toes the line when those lesser people unfairly have (for reasons he can't figure out) the power to threaten him.

Yeah, he's the "creator" of Sonichu. He wants to be Matt Groening, the guy who doesn't write, draw, animate, or voice any of the characters on his show, just the one who created it and oversees the show while taking a paycheck. He was eager to stop making comics and drop his creation onto the lesser people to make games and whatever.

 

[MayMay]

Yeah... I guess, hypothetically. But in practice, I don't believe there's anyone that Chris could respect. Really, not even Barb. He just fears Barb.

Which is a big part of why he's lonely and depressed - you can't truly be friends or have a healthy romantic relationship with someone unless you consider them to be a peer. But Chris doesn't consider anyone his peer. He thinks he's better than everyone, and he only toes the line when those lesser people unfairly have (for reasons he can't figure out) the power to threaten him.

Yeah, he's the "creator" of Sonichu. He wants to be Matt Groening, the guy who doesn't write, draw, animate, or voice any of the characters on his show, just the one who created it and oversees the show while taking a paycheck. He was eager to stop making comics and drop his creation onto the lesser people to make games and whatever.

Heh, quite like that. Though with two fatal mistakes. A) He basically didn't create anything, Sonichu hardly counts as a creation rather than a mishmash of two ideas. B) He didn't quite get the idea of what "lesser" meant, trying to drop his creation onto Miyomoto (or a troll [pretending to be him anyway...)

He's kinda like the people on deviantart who pester everyone to draw their very slightly altered recolour... except he tried to pester professionals instead.

 

[DangDirtyTrolls]

Which is a big part of why he's lonely and depressed - you can't truly be friends or have a healthy romantic relationship with someone unless you consider them to be a peer. But Chris doesn't consider anyone his peer. He thinks he's better than everyone, and he only toes the line when those lesser people unfairly have (for reasons he can't figure out) the power to threaten him.

Half the comedy value of Chris for me is that he's some retarded man who can barely understand how the world around him works yet he thinks he's some unparalleled savant in every field he touches.