Chris Chan Documentary 2 (Sequel)

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Do you want the story to be told in sagas in the sequel?


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I'm being really nitpicky, but I feel like instead of Mozart's "Eine Kleine Nacht Musik" for the Leonard Bearstein section, something by Leonard Bernstein should be put in if copyright is no object. For example, he has an orchestral suite comprised of dances from "West Side Story" that would still match the cheerful/benign tone you were going for.
 
The original doc was good, but, felt rushed, you tried to cram too much into a short time frame, If you extended the time to 1:30 to 2:00 and elaborated on the motivations behind the sagas the doc would be solid. I second the suggestion of trying to contact Chris, if you could do a skype interview with him I'm sure a lot of Kiwi's have some questions you could ask him, just screen out the ween crap. Interviews from Christorical figures would be nice, but, outside of ABL I don't know who would go along. MLW and Snyder I'm sure would be happier never to hear Chris' name again.
 
I put the animated series at the end because I thought most of the people would be able to identify the references after being learnded on christory. But there were some parts that were not taught yet so I was a little sad about not all references mentioned.

I think overall viewers would get most of the references in the context of what they learned about Chris. I'd say a very brief rundown of the characters in Sonichu (seriously, a whole nother documentary could be made just about that). Basically explaining that all his characters were knockoffs of Sonic characters.

As for things like "China", yeah that might have to take a portion just on describing various CWC-isms, as I've seen another user reference on the other thread. But that would take up way too much time for a feature-length doc, so no worries there.

Including any fanmade stuff about Chris is a pretty cool idea, definitely shows how much dedication people put into this, especially in contrast to the quality of Chris's own artwork.
 
The original doc was good, but, felt rushed, you tried to cram too much into a short time frame, If you extended the time to 1:30 to 2:00 and elaborated on the motivations behind the sagas the doc would be solid. I second the suggestion of trying to contact Chris, if you could do a skype interview with him I'm sure a lot of Kiwi's have some questions you could ask him, just screen out the ween crap. Interviews from Christorical figures would be nice, but, outside of ABL I don't know who would go along. MLW and Snyder I'm sure would be happier never to hear Chris' name again.
As much as I would like to interview Chris I think it would end up not that good. If I ever interviewed him there would have to be a lot of insurance that it would turn out spectacular because it would basically be the center heart of everything. And if the heart is shitty everything else dies.

I think overall viewers would get most of the references in the context of what they learned about Chris. I'd say a very brief rundown of the characters in Sonichu (seriously, a whole nother documentary could be made just about that). Basically explaining that all his characters were knockoffs of Sonic characters.

As for things like "China", yeah that might have to take a portion just on describing various CWC-isms, as I've seen another user reference on the other thread. But that would take up way too much time for a feature-length doc, so no worries there.

Including any fanmade stuff about Chris is a pretty cool idea, definitely shows how much dedication people put into this, especially in contrast to the quality of Chris's own artwork.
Yes, I wanted to put a lot of fan art into it because I know I talk about that he has a big following I have to at least show some subtle hints throughout the whole thing to kind of set the tone.

I'm being really nitpicky, but I feel like instead of Mozart's "Eine Kleine Nacht Musik" for the Leonard Bearstein section, something by Leonard Bernstein should be put in if copyright is no object. For example, he has an orchestral suite comprised of dances from "West Side Story" that would still match the cheerful/benign tone you were going for.
Copyright issues mang. I searched everywhere to find eine kleine nacht musik in a royalty free version because I felt it fit. I will look into it in the future.
 
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Interviews with as many Christorical figures as possible (Marvin, ABL, Thetan, Skyraider, Judge Dredd, etc)

I'd agree but getting them to be interested in doing so may be hard. Wonder if Clyde and/or Vivian would be willing also. More likely than not they'd only agree over text. @Alec Benson Leary what about you? Would you do an interview?
 
For the love of GodBear, explain Q-Sand in the documentary, in case of you making zounds of newcomers in here, i think the forums had enough of explaining it.

EDIT: Oh, and interviewing Christorical figures is a neat idea, it doesn't have to be face to face, a dramatic read of a mail-interview should be plenty (?)
 
Good critique. In the first film, you are in love with your own images and words and can't be brutal in the editing to tighten it up. The more experience, the more you see it from the audience's point of view.
 
I am still iffy on interviews. Even if they wanted to do it I don't know the full story about them personally. And another problem would be if I only got like one person doing an interview it would kind of be like the special ed teacher something kind of thrown in, although at the start of the original I had plans on interviewing more people.
 
I know it would be a unpopular opinion but I don't think It would be a good idea. I mean I stated in earlier threads that If I interviewed someone like julie it would be like me justifying what they did. Like as if they were on our team and chris is by himself. I wanted it to be me,chris,and the trolls all separate groups.

Unless I was actually able to interview Chris. Its like a group of African soldiers in the Congo. One side is called A and the other B, they both kill children and rape villages. If I were to interview B and have them talk about the dirty A's then it would be me siding with them. To have true balance would be to interview Chris and trolls. Neutrality.

As much as I would like to interview Chris I think it would end up not that good. If I ever interviewed him there would have to be a lot of insurance that it would turn out spectacular because it would basically be the center heart of everything. And if the heart is shitty everything else dies.

Why are you denying us what we really want from this documentary? some of these guys are pretty active on this forum. You don't have to condone what they think, just report it.
 
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Why are you denying us what we really want from this documentary? some of these guys are pretty active on this forum. You don't have to condone what they think, just report it.
Well the thing you don't realise is that even if I can get them to interview morals and all stuff aside. The quality would be extremely lacking unless all of them have very good microphones and or video cameras and are willing to do tons of work for a random person. I think it would stick out like a soar thumb just like the reading I had a friend do of one of the gal pal emails. Unless I could fly to they're state and have a sit down Barbara Walters styles. I am a little confused as too how I would interview them without it just being a Skype call as much as I want something to happen I have to keep in mind if its even possible in terms of quality standard. And I don't think I would settle for whatever I could get to be honest I would just find a way to work around it.
 
Well the thing you don't realise is that even if I can get them to interview morals and all stuff aside. The quality would be extremely lacking unless all of them have very good microphones and or video cameras and are willing to do tons of work for a random person. I think it would stick out like a soar thumb just like the reading I had a friend do of one of the gal pal emails. Unless I could fly to they're state and have a sit down Barbara Walters styles. I am a little confused as too how I would interview them without it just being a Skype call as much as I want something to happen I have to keep in mind if its even possible in terms of quality standard. And I don't think I would settle for whatever I could get to be honest I would just find a way to work around it.

Fair enough, but who do you want to be your audience? People who don't know about CWC? If so okay I get that. But like people who follow CWC, pretty sure we've sat through poorly recorded footage before...
 
Yup... as people mentioned, it makes no sense to do this one for people who don't know about CWC, since it'll be a sequel. I think you have to assume that your audience already knows (at least) the basics about OPL.

With that said, I believe some interviews would do wonders for this project (If Alec agrees, it would be very nice to see him talk about the whole Asperchu thing), but I do understand your worries about technical quality.


(Oh, and nice singing, @Sigyn )
 
Suggestions for a sequel, reworking?

The true and honest answer is that directly repeating your ideas and conclusions isn't going to work well. The original idea--introducing a newcomer to Christian Chandler--was done and done pretty well.

I don't think edits and clarifications really deserve a sequel. A second draft that addresses some of the factual errors would be an obvious upgrade...but I suspect that redrafting the documentary isn't quite what you had in mind.

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There are certainly lots of ways for a second documentary to go:

How and why did Christian W. Chandler become a repeat offender lunatic tomgirl? The prior documentary largely excluded Bob and Barb ("Borb"), and completely took Chris at his word.

Who are the Trolls? Alec Benson Leary and Thetan might be willing to help with that and offer some insight. I'm not sure if you'd get a holistic perspective, but I think you'd be able to find a few people to answer those questions--and I strongly suspect you'd learn a great deal from that direction. In a world with shrill shills out to swindle and play the victim card, giving form to the amorphous "Cyberbullies" might be very positive.

Go to a more general lolcow analysis. Jace Connors and Deagle Nation, Brianna Wu and her Victim Industrial Complex, Gloria Tesch, Nick Bate and so many others--the Kiwi Farms has started to gain more information about the most dysfunctional people on the information superhighway. I'm sure there's a doctorate in sociology to anyone who can figure out how to shift society subtlety to help these people at a reasonable cost before they decide to go on a shooting rampage in Halifax.

Promoting a solution. Risky. Chris won't listen; and while Chris is very likely to be receiving some kind of treatment in the near future, it will not be voluntary or desired by Chris. The rest of the world might at least listen to what you have to say, if its interesting enough and reasonable enough to consider.

The obvious problem with promoting a solution is that you wander into the realm of politics. Should Chris be institutionalized? Welcome to a long debate on the role of mental health services that people don't want the government to provide. Should Chris somehow be compelled into some kind of Conservatorship? Barb is staggeringly negligent and defective in her own way. Should Chris have been taken away by Child Services? Oh boy...

A well written "solution" may well change the world in a small way. Much more likely, you'll offend the 30% of people who disagree with the idea by ideological or political reasons--and it's hard to remain liked after you've offended those individuals. Don't get into politics unless you are ready for that 30%, and I'd suggest trying something else instead.

Go Deep. Focusing heavily on one aspect of Chris' life or one saga might be very illuminating and raise very different questions and concerns than the original documentary. The obvious problem is that Chris is an unreliable narrator, people who Chris has screwed with don't necessarily want to come forward to tell their story, and Chris has legitimate reason to lie. A Sonichu documentary would probably work, given the material that's on the Cwcki. It might be possible to turn 10/28/11 into a documentary, given all of the documented motives and eyewitness reporting. Otherwise, there's going to be a lot of gaps in coverage--but you've proven yourself pretty resourceful at filling some of those.

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Without at least a general idea of what the framework is going to be, it's kind of hard to offer more advice than that. Pick a focus of some kind to go beyond the documentary, and I'm sure a workable draft can be made fairly quickly.
 
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The true and honest answer is that directly repeating your ideas and conclusions isn't going to work well. The original idea--introducing a newcomer to Christian Chandler--was done and done pretty well.

I don't think edits and clarifications really deserve a sequel. A second draft that addresses some of the factual errors would be an obvious upgrade...but I suspect that redrafting the documentary isn't quite what you had in mind.

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There are certainly lots of ways for a second documentary to go:

How and why did Christian W. Chandler become a repeat offender lunatic tomgirl? The prior documentary largely excluded Bob and Barb ("Borb"), and completely took Chris at his word.

Who are the Trolls? Alec Benson Leary and Thetan might be willing to help with that and offer some insight. I'm not sure if you'd get a holistic perspective, but I think you'd be able to find a few people to answer those questions--and I strongly suspect you'd learn a great deal from that direction. In a world with shrill shills out to swindle and play the victim card, giving form to the amorphous "Cyberbullies" might be very positive.

Go to a more general lolcow analysis. Jace Connors and Deagle Nation, Brianna Wu and her Victim Industrial Complex, Gloria Tesch, Nick Bate and so many others--the Kiwi Farms has started to gain more information about the most dysfunctional people on the information superhighway. I'm sure there's a doctorate in sociology to anyone who can figure out how to shift society subtlety to help these people at a reasonable cost before they decide to go on a shooting rampage in Halifax.

Promoting a solution. Risky. Chris won't listen; and while Chris is very likely to be receiving some kind of treatment in the near future, it will not be voluntary or desired by Chris. The rest of the world might at least listen to what you have to say, if its interesting enough and reasonable enough to consider.

The obvious problem with promoting a solution is that you wander into the realm of politics. Should Chris be institutionalized? Welcome to a long debate on the role of mental health services that people don't want the government to provide. Should Chris somehow be compelled into some kind of Conservatorship? Barb is staggeringly negligent and defective in her own way. Should Chris have been taken away by Child Services? Oh boy...

A well written "solution" may well change the world in a small way. Much more likely, you'll offend the 30% of people who disagree with the idea by ideological or political reasons--and it's hard to remain liked after you've offended those individuals. Don't get into politics unless you are ready for that 30%, and I'd suggest trying something else instead.

Go Deep. Focusing heavily on one aspect of Chris' life or one saga might be very illuminating and raise very different questions and concerns than the original documentary. The obvious problem is that Chris is an unreliable narrator, people who Chris has screwed with don't necessarily want to come forward to tell their story, and Chris has legitimate reason to lie. A Sonichu documentary would probably work, given the material that's on the Cwcki. It might be possible to turn 10/28/11 into a documentary, given all of the documented motives and eyewitness reporting. Otherwise, there's going to be a lot of gaps in coverage--but you've proven yourself pretty resourceful at filling some of those.

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Without at least a general idea of what the framework is going to be, it's kind of hard to offer more advice than that. Pick a focus of some kind to go beyond the documentary, and I'm sure a workable draft can be made fairly quickly.


Just FYI, yellow is pretty much completely illegible on the standard Kiwi Farms layout. You probably want to avoid using it as much as possible.
 
@spylobster I felt like your teacher spoke well about your project and am happy for that. You did do well. Good luck in your new projects, whether they be about Chris or anything else. he obviously sees a lot of heart in you and wouldn't give you such attention, advice or an interview if he didn't see merit. Just wishing you well, i'd like to see more features out of you, Chris or not.
 
Things that I noticed that were missing from the doc:
More details on Sonichu - how did the stories tie into his real life events? Characters, plot, etc.
Chris the ebay entrepreneur
Lego Manchester High
The Wallflower
Chris' homophobia/racism
THIS IS MY HOUSE (and more on 14 BLC)
SonChu
Chris' wardrobe
Chris deciding to become a male lesbian
Borb and Cole
Chris' random access humor
Chris and his mastery of the English language
Robert Simmons V and their real life meeting
The Emily date
Failed trolling attempts (pumpkinswirl, batman, JULAY)
White Knights :anna:
A-Logging

I would advise against contacting Christorical characters like Lucas, Mimms, Snyder, MLW, Megan, etc. but I'm sure people like Marvin or ABL could share something.
 
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...It's not a big deal but i would not claim to tell us "just the objective facts" I often found myself thinking, gee this is really only showing this aspect of chris/saga in one light, or feeling I was being led to feel a certain way about events.

Yeah, I feel a neutral/impersonal tone in the presentation would give the documentary a somewhat more professional shine. Something like how the CWCki entries were written.

That's all I have to add for now, good luck with the project!
 
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