Chris vs. Barb - Fuck vs. Kill

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Which crime do you feel more strongly about in this situation?

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I am genuinely curious to know whether people would be more or less horrified had Chris murdered Barb instead. Obviously both are awful, but is Barb having to live with what's happened in her current addled state really better than if Chris had killed her?

As it's an important point to make when it comes to any potential discussion, I'm talking premeditated, just as the rape was. No accidental death or crime of passion or anything like that.

And as a disclaimer - Barb, despite her many flaws, obviously deserves neither. As I said - I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks on this hypothetical matter.
 
powerlevel, but having witnessed the progression of dementia, I could see death as being merciful.

Raping someone in that condition is absolutely loathesome.
 
I don't know if I can make a case for which is more immoral, but murder would've been more shocking. You could see Chris getting progressively more fed-up with his mother, but no one would've seen murder coming, given the weird parasitic relationship they have.
 
murder because it's more unbelievable

i've been able to comprehend the idea of chris raping barb for years because of how close they are and how possessive she is but i couldn't see him plunging the knife in
 
In a sense, yeah, murder is more shocking at first, but when you think about, I think it would be less shocking: he is her primary caregiver 24/7, that puts a lot of stress on a person and he is short tempered and violent, he only needs to lose his temper for a couple of minutes to kill her, on the other hand, he has been raping her for at least a month, covering his tracks and only got caught because he blindly trust women. This points to a complete lack of empathy of any kind, even for his mother, and the calculating mind of a truly deranged person, luckly for everyone, Chris is not a criminal genious, this is not "he lost his cool for a few moments" this is he was planning to keep her as his own personal sex toy for who knows how long.
Edit: imagine this scenario: five years from now, chris hasnt been discovered. A random wellness check is performed. The social worker smells something awful and finds Barbs corpse crudly preserved. Chris babbles on about how having sex with her dead corpse connects him to her spirit. Forensic analisis reveal he was raping her for the last four years until she died and then, having sex with her dead body.
 
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I think incestous rape is worse by a landslide.
But I genuinely thought for the past 3 years he was going to kill her and then rape her while screaming "BARBAAAAAYYYY". And we'd find out by the time neighbors would've reported a horrible, putrid smell to the cops.
 
she's like 80, that shit would be so dusty. I feel like at her age that she's getting the pillow
 
usually i'd just say murder is worse, but it is kinda complicated by barb's brain basically being mush. chris was repeatedly inflicting hell on a woman who likely can not fully understand what is happening and who can not resist. murder would be more shocking for chris, but what he did is kinda so disgustingly evil it's hard to think about, for me at least.
 
He wouldn't have murdered her. He would have continued to neglect her and in the end would probably complain about the smell of her rotting corpse and that the cats get diarrhea from nibbling on Barb's dead body.
 
Murder just has so many more ways of it being excusable and mitigatable in court or in public opinion. There's the possibility that he lost his temper and did it in a fit of rage and it could be manslaughter rather than murder. There's the euthanasia argument in that it could be reasonably posited that he believed his mother was suffering and death would release her from that. An autopsy can prove she was murdered, but can't prove what her state of mind was at the time and if she consented to it. It doesn't change that it's murder, but it does affect things like sentencing leniency and how other inmates and staff treat the perpetrator in prison.

With what happened, it just isn't and it's much more clear cut. A psychological assessment of her will give information on how compos mentis she was at the time. A sex act with someone who's incapable of consent just isn't excusable. It's in the same sort of league as abusing kids.
 
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