Chris vs Reality

[renomakicwc]

I honestly wonder just how deep into fantasy world he is nowadays?

What with all the shit he has been through, I wonder if it has become harder for him to dive into his happy place, what with reality constantly shoving it's junk in his face more and more.

 

[CatParty]

I honestly wonder just how deep into fantasy world he is nowadays?

What with all the shit he has been through, I wonder if it has become harder for him to dive into his happy place, what with reality constantly shoving it's junk in his face more and more.

his fantasy world is no longer a happy place. it's all just fantasies of paranoia.

 

[BillRiley]

I honestly wonder just how deep into fantasy world he is nowadays?

What with all the shit he has been through, I wonder if it has become harder for him to dive into his happy place, what with reality constantly shoving it's junk in his face more and more.

I'd guess just the opposite. Cwcville is Chris's safe place, a refuge from a world that doesn't makes sense. I'd expect him to spend more time there as his real world life becomes more difficult.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

his fantasy world is no longer a happy place. it's all just fantasies of paranoia.

A fantasy world doesn't have to be objectively pleasant, just preferable to whatever reality presents. He is drawn to his paranoia because it makes him feel like he understands what's going on when he doesn't, and like he's significant to someone (even if it's just enemies) when he really isn't. The imaginary war he's fighting is unpleasant to him, but reality is far more terrifying.

Chris doesn't actually believe he's seeing Sonichu or anything like that. He doesn't hallucinate. His imagination is like that of a little kid - there's a good chunk of his cognitive process that knows what reality is, but he hasn't been trained to ingrain himself into reality like normal adults have, so he just decides to act as if his fantasy is true because he likes that better. He knows it's a fantasy but doesn't care, I guess. The difference is not important to him. It's a lot more difficult for a mentally healthy adult to call reality unimportant even if they wanted to dive head first into a fantasy realm.

 

[Uzumaki]

his fantasy world is no longer a happy place. it's all just fantasies of paranoia.

A fantasy world doesn't have to be objectively pleasant, just preferable to whatever reality presents. He is drawn to his paranoia because it makes him feel like he understands what's going on when he doesn't, and like he's significant to someone (even if it's just enemies) when he really isn't. The imaginary war he's fighting is unpleasant to him, but reality is far more terrifying.

Chris doesn't actually believe he's seeing Sonichu or anything like that. He doesn't hallucinate. His imagination is like that of a little kid - there's a good chunk of his cognitive process that knows what reality is, but he hasn't been trained to ingrain himself into reality like normal adults have, so he just decides to act as if his fantasy is true because he likes that better. He knows it's a fantasy but doesn't care, I guess. The difference is not important to him. It's a lot more difficult for a mentally healthy adult to call reality unimportant even if they wanted to dive head first into a fantasy realm.

I'm surprised you take such a conservative view on this, given you're literally the man who was called naive for not believing in Who Frame Roger Rabbit.

Edit: Not that I don't agree for the most part; the comparison to a child is probably the best way to understand Chris's imagination. Sonichu is like a 2-year-old's imaginary friend.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

I'm surprised you take such a conservative view on this, given you're literally the man who was called naive for not believing in Who Frame Roger Rabbit.

Well, that fits into the whole "my immediate goal supercedes reality" thing. He always knew on a cognitive level that what he was saying wasn't really real. But that didn't matter - beating me mattered. To that end, he dedicated himself to professing an idea that he knew was wrong, but didn't care that it was wrong, because acting as if it were right made him feel good.

 

[BillRiley]

his fantasy world is no longer a happy place. it's all just fantasies of paranoia.

A fantasy world doesn't have to be objectively pleasant, just preferable to whatever reality presents. He is drawn to his paranoia because it makes him feel like he understands what's going on when he doesn't, and like he's significant to someone (even if it's just enemies) when he really isn't. The imaginary war he's fighting is unpleasant to him, but reality is far more terrifying.

Chris doesn't actually believe he's seeing Sonichu or anything like that. He doesn't hallucinate. His imagination is like that of a little kid - there's a good chunk of his cognitive process that knows what reality is, but he hasn't been trained to ingrain himself into reality like normal adults have, so he just decides to act as if his fantasy is true because he likes that better. He knows it's a fantasy but doesn't care, I guess. The difference is not important to him. It's a lot more difficult for a mentally healthy adult to call reality unimportant even if they wanted to dive head first into a fantasy realm.

Do you know how much time Chris spends stimming these days? An increase in stim would indicate an increase in daydreaming his safe place.

 

[Bugaboo]

I think Bridechu has got it figured out.
Bridechu says handicapped kids like to make up fantasy worlds for themselves and will retreat there in times of DA STRESS. Lots of regular kids do that to, but the difference is they learn that reality is really the only place for them and move away from fantasy world. Chris is still emotionally and mentally very young because his parents didn't bother getting him any sort of therapy or classes to help him deal with the real world (and he slept through coping class) so he's perpetually a child stuck in a man's body.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Really, I think it was always obvious Chris never genuinely believed in Roger Rabbit. He's not a complete monster, and if he truly thought he'd have the blood of a real person on his hands by killing Simonla, he wouldn't have done it.

 

[random_pickle]

I remember something that was mentioned a while back. The poster talked about how Chris lived in the "now". He didn't think too much on the future. With this in mind, he could constantly contradict himself without actually being a hypocrite in his mind because that was then and this is now. Chris doesn't take into consideration what his morals should be, he'll just change them to what benefits him most at the present.

I think the same could be said for his outlook on reality. In his comics Chris constantly kills his enemies from real life, if I recall he mentioned that it was only a parody, it didn't count. This implies that Chris didn't believe in his toonverse theory. But when Leary came onto the scene, Chris changed his outlook on reality to make Leary look like a bad guy for hurting toons in Asperchu.

 

[Anchuent Christory]

I'll let Chris speak for himself on this issue. My sig is taken from the records of Chris' eternal battle against Aspergers, and those who "defend" it.

It's pretty self explanatory. Basically, Chris knows when he's bullshitting, he just doesn't give a fuck. It's no different than sticking your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA LA LA LA

 

[GFYS]

I remember something that was mentioned a while back. The poster talked about how Chris lived in the "now". He didn't think too much on the future. With this in mind, he could constantly contradict himself without actually being a hypocrite in his mind because that was then and this is now. Chris doesn't take into consideration what his morals should be, he'll just change them to what benefits him most at the present.

I think the same could be said for his outlook on reality. In his comics Chris constantly kills his enemies from real life, if I recall he mentioned that it was only a parody, it didn't count. This implies that Chris didn't believe in his toonverse theory. But when Leary came onto the scene, Chris changed his outlook on reality to make Leary look like a bad guy for hurting toons in Asperchu.

This aspect of Chris - the ability for his mental reality to shift second-to-second, as the situation or his mood dictates - is what seems to make all of our opinions of him vary so widely. Sometimes I think it might be necessary, whenever we discuss Chris, to clarify which Chris we're talking about. Angry Chris' understandings and beliefs are completely different from that of Hungry Chris, Horny Chris, Sad Chris, Numb Chris, Desperate Chris, Happy Chris, Vengeful Chris, Whipped Chris, etc.

Having had time to reflect on insight Alec and Marvin have shared with us, I'm inclined to believe that most of the time Chris has as reasonable a separation between fantasy and reality as you might expect from an average 10 year old child. It seem like only occasionally - seemingly under particular duress of grief - does he slip the other direction out of necessity (either as a cop out argument) or desire (personal escape from da stress or masturbatory fantasy).

 

[Anchuent Christory]

I remember something that was mentioned a while back. The poster talked about how Chris lived in the "now". He didn't think too much on the future. With this in mind, he could constantly contradict himself without actually being a hypocrite in his mind because that was then and this is now. Chris doesn't take into consideration what his morals should be, he'll just change them to what benefits him most at the present.

I think the same could be said for his outlook on reality. In his comics Chris constantly kills his enemies from real life, if I recall he mentioned that it was only a parody, it didn't count. This implies that Chris didn't believe in his toonverse theory. But when Leary came onto the scene, Chris changed his outlook on reality to make Leary look like a bad guy for hurting toons in Asperchu.

This aspect of Chris - the ability for his mental reality to shift second-to-second, as the situation or his mood dictates - is what seems to make all of our opinions of him vary so widely

Think you've hit the nail squarely on the head there GFYS.

Here... Have a doctorate in Christory!

 

[QI 541]

Really, I think it was always obvious Chris never genuinely believed in Roger Rabbit. He's not a complete monster, and if he truly thought he'd have the blood of a real person on his MANOS by killing Simonla, he wouldn't have done it.

Not really. The only thing that prevents Chris from actually killing someone in real life is fear of punishment. He wishes death upon his enemies, and he wishes someone would blow up the game store, but he knows that if he tries to do it himself, he'll go to prison.

Think, if Chris was given a real life Death Note, would he use it on his enemies?

 

[Judge Holden]

^ I suspect he has tried to make his own "Death note" type thing before (i.e. a voodoo doll or the like)

As for his "toon" delusions, i am of the opinion he does believe to a significant extent that his creations and all toons he likes are "real" in some parallell universe or something, and that he sees the "dark parodies" he has been whining about all last year as being able to hurt or corrupt his beloved characters to a degree.

Thats why he was so infuriated above all else that in asperchu, alec SETS HIM ON FIRE!!!!, and most damningly during Chris's "liberation" of Alec's creations his version of asperchu was desperate to atone for setting Chris on fire. He definitely views his own presence in the toon-verse as being real, and thus its no small leap to assume he sees the rest of the toon-verse as real

 

[BillRiley]

^ I suspect he has tried to make his own "Death note" type thing before (i.e. a voodoo doll or the like)

As for his "toon" delusions, i am of the opinion he does believe to a significant extent that his creations and all toons he likes are "real" in some parallell universe or something, and that he sees the "dark parodies" he has been whining about all last year as being able to hurt or corrupt his beloved characters to a degree.

Thats why he was so infuriated above all else that in asperchu, alec SETS HIM ON FIRE!!!!, and most damningly during Chris's "liberation" of Alec's creations his version of asperchu was desperate to atone for setting Chris on fire. He definitely views his own presence in the toon-verse as being real, and thus its no small leap to assume he sees the rest of the toon-verse as real

^Pretty much this. Somewhere in the back of Chris's autistic noodle he appears to have formed the conviction that the more he creates and recreates Cwcville, the more "real" it becomes. After all, if he wasn't convinced of the reality of his "tooniverse" then why would he have gone batshit crazy over the Asperchu parody?

 

[CatParty]

^ I suspect he has tried to make his own "Death note" type thing before (i.e. a voodoo doll or the like)

As for his "toon" delusions, i am of the opinion he does believe to a significant extent that his creations and all toons he likes are "real" in some parallell universe or something, and that he sees the "dark parodies" he has been whining about all last year as being able to hurt or corrupt his beloved characters to a degree.

Thats why he was so infuriated above all else that in asperchu, alec SETS HIM ON FIRE!!!!, and most damningly during Chris's "liberation" of Alec's creations his version of asperchu was desperate to atone for setting Chris on fire. He definitely views his own presence in the toon-verse as being real, and thus its no small leap to assume he sees the rest of the toon-verse as real

he did beat up a bunch of his stuffed toys as a stand in for clyde cash

 

[Kosher Dill]

After all, if he wasn't convinced of the reality of his "tooniverse" then why would he have gone batshit crazy over the Asperchu parody?

When I was a little kid and I played make-believe sort of things with other kids, I totally got mad when they "didn't play right" or started making up things I didn't want to "happen", even though I knew it wasn't real. It's stupid looking back on it as an adult, but I think when you're a kid that sort of stuff just REALLY bugs you.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

After all, if he wasn't convinced of the reality of his "tooniverse" then why would he have gone batshit crazy over the Asperchu parody?

When I was a little kid and I played make-believe sort of things with other kids, I totally got mad when they "didn't play right" or started making up things I didn't want to "happen", even though I knew it wasn't real. It's stupid looking back on it as an adult, but I think when you're a kid that sort of stuff just REALLY bugs you.

None of this is helped by the fact that My Little Ponies enjoy beating up Sonichus.

 

[Bugaboo]

After all, if he wasn't convinced of the reality of his "tooniverse" then why would he have gone batshit crazy over the Asperchu parody?

When I was a little kid and I played make-believe sort of things with other kids, I totally got mad when they "didn't play right" or started making up things I didn't want to "happen", even though I knew it wasn't real. It's stupid looking back on it as an adult, but I think when you're a kid that sort of stuff just REALLY bugs you.

None of this is helped by the fact that My Little Ponies enjoy beating up Sonichus.

Everyone enjoys beating up Sonichus