Chris's Mainstreaming

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Various videos have shown that Chris is a strong proponent of mainstreaming. Even with his autism he managed to graduate high school and community college. I'm sure most of us know regular people who weren't able to do either of those things.

He receives his monthly tugboat because he claims his disability affects his ability to earn a living wage. That mental disability didn't keep him from graduating high school and community college. A lot of people who have graduated from four year universities are having difficulty finding a job that pays a living wage.

Where do you think Chris would be in his life if he wasn't mainstreamed? Or was mainstreaming, and getting the tugboat set up, just the paths that required the least amount of effort on behalf of Chris and his parents?



chris is watching you poop

 

[The Dude]

You also have to understand that Chris was probably under the auspices of the Special Ed programs each school offered. That means he was not held to the same standards as normal students. He was basically given a pass because his brain doesn't work right. I had/have ADD and difficulty with math. Because of that I was considered a Special Ed student and took remedial math in high school. They would take my elective credits and apply them to my academic credits when I fell behind. I'd be willing to bet money that this is how Chris got through school.

Ironically I went on to marry a math teacher.

 

[Long Sun]

It the lest issue now, mainstream took a lot of work at the start. The bigger issue is that Chris should be able to hold some kinda of job, many people with worst disabilities hold jobs. As for high school it offen holding out Til grad and as PVCC a number if weaker school will take anyone's money aka makes sure even the weakest students get a pass

 

[Henry Bemis]

Question: How exactly did the Chesterfield County school system, as theorized, come to regard Chris as a hot potato? Did Bob go straight away to their offices and say "mah boy has autism, 'cept when he doesn't, so watch it or I'll sue ya?" Did word spread from Greene County to Chesterfield through an educators' phone tree that a couple of rabble-rousers, the Chandlers, were headed up there, so watch out? Is there a mystery civil suit we don't know about?

 

[Coldgrip]

Where do you think Chris would be in his life if he wasn't mainstreamed? Or was mainstreaming, and getting the tugboat set up, just the paths that required the least amount of effort on behalf of Chris and his parents?

Well that depends, if he wasn't mainstreamed would he of been placed in an institution of some sort where he would of received help, or would all of his schooling of been left to Borb?

Institution scenario (best case): Chris receives the help he needs, is taught how to act and how not to act in society, doesn't tardrage when he doesn't get his way, is able to have friends, is able to be around women with out being a creep, and is able to be a functioning, or at least benign member of society.

Schooling left to Borb: Chris winds up pretty much the same only he never goes to collage and Mary Lee Walsh never has to deal with the autistic wonder.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

Various videos have shown that Chris is a strong proponent of mainstreaming. Even with his autism he managed to graduate high school and community college. I'm sure most of us know regular people who weren't able to do either of those things.

He receives his monthly tugboat because he claims his disability affects his ability to earn a living wage. That mental disability didn't keep him from graduating high school and community college. A lot of people who have graduated from four year universities are having difficulty finding a job that pays a living wage.

Where do you think Chris would be in his life if he wasn't mainstreamed? Or was mainstreaming, and getting the tugboat set up, just the paths that required the least amount of effort on behalf of Chris and his parents?

Mainstreaming an autistic child isn't the best idea, but it has merit if the parents actively try to pick up the slack where special education would have applied. Someone needs to reinforce rules, social norms, and academic expectations on the child, and that could be the parents, but they would have to be committed to the task and well-trained. Borb was neither. Their approach was to tell the school not to give Chris the help he needed, and they refused to give it to him on the other end. So in that end, I don't think mainstreaming was the key failure, since it could have worked if Borb were better parents. That said, it should have been obvious from very early on that mainstreaming Chris was a terrible idea.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris could have a job. Being lazy doesn't physically prevent him from working, nor does being unhirable due to a decade of bad decisions (and hygiene). I'm not saying he can have a career, but he's capable of grasping things like "broom goes this way" and "take boxes from cart and put them on shelf". It's not a difference between being mainstreamed or not, the problem is that ever since his HS graduation, he hasn't been told he needs to do anything, produce anything, or be responsible for anything. Sitting in front of the Playstation all day and watching Family Guy all night was perfectly acceptable to Borb. Chris got settled into the lifestyle and hasn't had a reason to leave it for 14 years.

 

[Marvin]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris could have a job. Being lazy doesn't physically prevent him from working, nor does being unhirable due to a decade of bad decisions (and hygiene). I'm not saying he can have a career, but he's capable of grasping things like "broom goes this way" and "take boxes from cart and put them on shelf". It's not a difference between being mainstreamed or not, the problem is that ever since his HS graduation, he hasn't been told he needs to do anything, produce anything, or be responsible for anything. Sitting in front of the Playstation all day and watching Family Guy all night was perfectly acceptable to Borb. Chris got settled into the lifestyle and hasn't had a reason to leave it for 14 years.

I don't really have an opinion either way about whether Chris can work or not, but whatever you think, the physical aspect isn't the issue. People frequently say Chris is just being lazy because he is physically capable of working, which is ridiculous. And sure, he could get some sort of warehouse job, but Chris comes with strings attached. He's not just a tard-mule for the person who could potentially hire him, he has costs too. And the potential employer might not want to take that chance.

(Now, he is lazy as shit, but that wouldn't be the only thing keeping him from working.)

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris could have a job. Being lazy doesn't physically prevent him from working, nor does being unhirable due to a decade of bad decisions (and hygiene). I'm not saying he can have a career, but he's capable of grasping things like "broom goes this way" and "take boxes from cart and put them on shelf". It's not a difference between being mainstreamed or not, the problem is that ever since his HS graduation, he hasn't been told he needs to do anything, produce anything, or be responsible for anything. Sitting in front of the Playstation all day and watching Family Guy all night was perfectly acceptable to Borb. Chris got settled into the lifestyle and hasn't had a reason to leave it for 14 years.

I don't really have an opinion either way about whether Chris can work or not, but whatever you think, the physical aspect isn't the issue. People frequently say Chris is just being lazy because he is physically capable of working, which is ridiculous. And sure, he could get some sort of warehouse job, but Chris comes with strings attached. He's not just a tard-mule for the person who could potentially hire him, he has costs too. And the potential employer might not want to take that chance.

(Now, he is lazy as shit, but that wouldn't be the only thing keeping him from working.)

Not to agree or disagree with this, but I try to put myself in Borb's shoes, circa 2001. High school is over, now Chris thinks he can just spend his time in front of the TV. Any semi-intelligent adult has to know that having a recent high school grad do nothing for weeks at a time is a recipe for disaster. Bob should have said "Ahhright, boy. Yer outta school now. You used to go there every day for 8 hours, now you gotta work for 8 hours every day. That's what grownups do. You put in your 8 hours, you can do what you want at night." If an actual job wasn't an option, then yard work, bathroom scrubbing, vacuuming, and other housework could substitute. And if Chris threw a tardrage or didn't put in his time, then no vidya. Worst case scenario, Bob could go to the power breaker for Chris's room and CUT IT DOWN.

Hell, if they'd actually hammered in the idea that "no work = no vidya", Chris might have had a reason not to fuck up at PVCC. Instead, he got to treat it like another nap zone / ladyfishing hole. And we all know how things went from there.

An actual paying job would be ideal, but Borb's biggest failure was to just never tell Chris that something, anything was expected of him. Having him playing in his room was a relief, and maybe even sort of cute and funny in his late teens, but now we have someone who's close to being all alone in the world and no means of supporting himself. Marvin, maybe you can tell me something different, but to me it seems like even if Chris couldn't be employed, he could at least have been responsible and productive, and it was in Borb's own best interest to make him such. But they didn't.

 

[___]

You also have to understand that Chris was probably under the auspices of the Special Ed programs each school offered. That means he was not held to the same standards as normal students. He was basically given a pass because his brain doesn't work right. I had/have ADD and difficulty with math. Because of that I was considered a Special Ed student and took remedial math in high school. They would take my elective credits and apply them to my academic credits when I fell behind. I'd be willing to bet money that this is how Chris got through school.

Ironically I went on to marry a math teacher.

I'm sure that was the case in high school, but community college has no such responsibility. It would be interesting to see Chris's transcripts to see what classes he took and what grades he had.

 

[Marvin]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris could have a job. Being lazy doesn't physically prevent him from working, nor does being unhirable due to a decade of bad decisions (and hygiene). I'm not saying he can have a career, but he's capable of grasping things like "broom goes this way" and "take boxes from cart and put them on shelf". It's not a difference between being mainstreamed or not, the problem is that ever since his HS graduation, he hasn't been told he needs to do anything, produce anything, or be responsible for anything. Sitting in front of the Playstation all day and watching Family Guy all night was perfectly acceptable to Borb. Chris got settled into the lifestyle and hasn't had a reason to leave it for 14 years.

I don't really have an opinion either way about whether Chris can work or not, but whatever you think, the physical aspect isn't the issue. People frequently say Chris is just being lazy because he is physically capable of working, which is ridiculous. And sure, he could get some sort of warehouse job, but Chris comes with strings attached. He's not just a tard-mule for the person who could potentially hire him, he has costs too. And the potential employer might not want to take that chance.

(Now, he is lazy as shit, but that wouldn't be the only thing keeping him from working.)

Not to agree or disagree with this, but I try to put myself in Borb's shoes, circa 2001. High school is over, now Chris thinks he can just spend his time in front of the TV. Any semi-intelligent adult has to know that having a recent high school grad do nothing for weeks at a time is a recipe for disaster. Bob should have said "Ahhright, boy. Yer outta school now. You used to go there every day for 8 hours, now you gotta work for 8 hours every day. That's what grownups do. You put in your 8 hours, you can do what you want at night." If an actual job wasn't an option, then yard work, bathroom scrubbing, vacuuming, and other housework could substitute. And if Chris threw a tardrage or didn't put in his time, then no vidya. Worst case scenario, Bob could go to the power breaker for Chris's room and CUT IT DOWN.

Hell, if they'd actually hammered in the idea that "no work = no vidya", Chris might have had a reason not to fuck up at PVCC. Instead, he got to treat it like another nap zone / ladyfishing hole. And we all know how things went from there.

An actual paying job would be ideal, but Borb's biggest failure was to just never tell Chris that something, anything was expected of him. Having him playing in his room was a relief, and maybe even sort of cute and funny in his late teens, but now we have someone who's close to being all alone in the world and no means of supporting himself. Marvin, maybe you can tell me something different, but to me it seems like even if Chris couldn't be employed, he could at least have been responsible and productive, and it was in Borb's own best interest to make him such. But they didn't.

I would take this route myself if I was in Bob's shoes. But I'm not in Bob's shoes. And hell, the part about not telling Chris that something was expected of him? Shit, there's a good possibility that Bob and Barb didn't expect anything of Chris. And they're the people who knew Chris the best.

I (and a lot of other people) seem to think that work develops character. Staying productive helps you be a down-to-earth person. I guess Bob didn't really consider the effect of letting Chris do nothing for the rest of his life. Or maybe he thought Chris would be a tard forever and there was nothing he could do about it. Who knows.

Although, Chris might occasionally do yardwork or things like that though, but I don't know if there's enough yardwork or things around the house (that Barb will let him work on, anyway) to keep Chris productive consistently.

 

[BigAltheGreat921]

Chris would have turned out OK if more special Ed was integrated into his regular K-12 schooling. He could've turned out much better than he is now, but still have many of his autistic quirks.

 

[DJAndyMD]

Chris would have been better if Bob and Barb were more open enough to listen to the benefits of Chris not being mainstreamed. Of course in high school, he would get an easy pass but in college its a different question. At my community college, there is a center for students with disabilities where they are assisted while taking regular courses. Wonder if PVCC had any sort of center like that, though it would have taken Chris to investigate it.

 

[CalmMyTits]

Mainstreaming is not for everyone. Some people are just too retarded to be able to function in normal society and need special education classes. When I was in high school we had a variety of special needs children (my high school had the only Sped program out of the 3 high schools in the area so all special needs kids were sent there by default) and like in elementary school, some of them spent all day in Sped, some were mainstreamed partly, and some were mainstreamed almost entirely, with an occasional meeting with the Sped teacher to make sure things were going fine.

I'm for mainstreaming - as much as is appropriate for each individual. Chris did spend some time in Sped in high school, but not as much as he needed, I think. If all of his art classes had been replaced with more Sped time, I think Chris would be better off, and the world would not be subject to his artistic miscarriages.

 

[Bridechu]

From the scant evidence we have, it really sounds like Chris was in a few special ed classes like "coping", but he probably didn't learn shit from them. He likely dismissed them as for "slow in the minds", of which he wasn't one, and slept or read Goosebumps through them.

If Chris had learned to behave like a normal human being from a young age and to have normal expectations, I don't think his autism would have been a huge barrier in his life. I volunteered a lot with special needs kids and saw people far lower on the scale function independently or at least hold down a job. This is a failure for both the parents and the school system. If it weren't for his shitty attitude and hygiene, Chris would be intellectually capable of a job like mail sorter or possibly even data entry. What held him back was the deadly combination of autism and narcissism.

 

[CalmMyTits]

What also holds Chris back is how little attention he received in the first place. As evinced by a phone call from a troll, Bob only had a vague idea of what Sonichu was. If he had sat down and took the time to look at the comics, as well as what Chris was actually doing on the computer, he would have realized how little his son knows or had accomplished in his entire public school career.

 

[Henry Bemis]

What also holds Chris back is how little attention he received in the first place. As evinced by a phone call from a troll, Bob only had a vague idea of what Sonichu was. If he had sat down and took the time to look at the comics, as well as what Chris was actually doing on the computer, he would have realized how little his son knows or had accomplished in his entire public school career.

"I don't care what you do..."

-Bob Chandler's award-winning advice on parenting

 

[CalmMyTits]

What also holds Chris back is how little attention he received in the first place. As evinced by a phone call from a troll, Bob only had a vague idea of what Sonichu was. If he had sat down and took the time to look at the comics, as well as what Chris was actually doing on the computer, he would have realized how little his son knows or had accomplished in his entire public school career.

"I don't care what you do..."

-Bob Chandler's award-winning advice on parenting

This was after Chris had already proven he could not hold down a job or be a functioning member of society. in 2000 though... no wait, fuck it, never mind. The fact that he didn't get on well with his other children (from what we have seen) already shows that he wasn't prime parenting material in the first place.

 

[Marvin]

What also holds Chris back is how little attention he received in the first place. As evinced by a phone call from a troll, Bob only had a vague idea of what Sonichu was. If he had sat down and took the time to look at the comics, as well as what Chris was actually doing on the computer, he would have realized how little his son knows or had accomplished in his entire public school career.

"I don't care what you do..."

-Bob Chandler's award-winning advice on parenting

This was after Chris had already proven he could not hold down a job or be a functioning member of society. in 2000 though... no wait, fuck it, never mind. The fact that he didn't get on well with his other children (from what we have seen) already shows that he wasn't prime parenting material in the first place.

Well we really don't know anything about that. People assume a bunch of things incorrectly about Chris based on incomplete information and we have a lot less information on Bob.

 

[JULAY]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris could have a job. Being lazy doesn't physically prevent him from working, nor does being unhirable due to a decade of bad decisions (and hygiene). I'm not saying he can have a career, but he's capable of grasping things like "broom goes this way" and "take boxes from cart and put them on shelf". It's not a difference between being mainstreamed or not, the problem is that ever since his HS graduation, he hasn't been told he needs to do anything, produce anything, or be responsible for anything. Sitting in front of the Playstation all day and watching Family Guy all night was perfectly acceptable to Borb. Chris got settled into the lifestyle and hasn't had a reason to leave it for 14 years.

I don't really have an opinion either way about whether Chris can work or not, but whatever you think, the physical aspect isn't the issue. People frequently say Chris is just being lazy because he is physically capable of working, which is ridiculous. And sure, he could get some sort of warehouse job, but Chris comes with strings attached. He's not just a tard-mule for the person who could potentially hire him, he has costs too. And the potential employer might not want to take that chance.

(Now, he is lazy as shit, but that wouldn't be the only thing keeping him from working.)

Marvin, I have to solicit more info about your perspective here. Yes, any employer who does a BG check on him (particularly one that uses a basic Google search) would reject him outright, but what other barriers do you foresee to Fatty getting a job stocking shelves or scrubbing toilets or doing some other menial task?

 

[Marvin]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Chris could have a job. Being lazy doesn't physically prevent him from working, nor does being unhirable due to a decade of bad decisions (and hygiene). I'm not saying he can have a career, but he's capable of grasping things like "broom goes this way" and "take boxes from cart and put them on shelf". It's not a difference between being mainstreamed or not, the problem is that ever since his HS graduation, he hasn't been told he needs to do anything, produce anything, or be responsible for anything. Sitting in front of the Playstation all day and watching Family Guy all night was perfectly acceptable to Borb. Chris got settled into the lifestyle and hasn't had a reason to leave it for 14 years.

I don't really have an opinion either way about whether Chris can work or not, but whatever you think, the physical aspect isn't the issue. People frequently say Chris is just being lazy because he is physically capable of working, which is ridiculous. And sure, he could get some sort of warehouse job, but Chris comes with strings attached. He's not just a tard-mule for the person who could potentially hire him, he has costs too. And the potential employer might not want to take that chance.

(Now, he is lazy as shit, but that wouldn't be the only thing keeping him from working.)

Marvin, I have to solicit more info about your perspective here. Yes, any employer who does a BG check on him (particularly one that uses a basic Google search) would reject him outright, but what other barriers do you foresee to Fatty getting a job stocking shelves or scrubbing toilets or doing some other menial task?

Oh, the background check excuse is Chris' excuse and I really don't buy it. Most minimum wage, fast-food type places wouldn't do a background check on someone.

Mostly, I think Chris could get a job if he cleaned himself up and practiced for a week on how to not look/act like a tard. The problem is that he couldn't do this on his own and he doesn't have anyone who'd help him.