Chris's Mental Contradictions

[Batman]

I dunno. She's kinda wiry. Plus she's got that awkward smile, and that chin which is...ugh. I'm also not a fan of her hair.

In all fairness, the awkward smile could have been because Chris was around.

Really?

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

I dunno. She's kinda wiry. Plus she's got that awkward smile, and that chin which is...ugh. I'm also not a fan of her hair.

In all fairness, the awkward smile could have been because Chris was around.

Really?

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The first photo looks like someone who didn't want their picture taken, but went along with it anyway to humor someone else. (This could just be me projecting; I'm not very photogenic.) The second photo doesn't look awkward to me.

But, as was said before, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think she looks kind of cute; not drop-dead gorgeous, just cute.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

I have to admit that there's something about Fräulein Schröder in the second picture which pushes all the right buttons. I can't say what it is and I don't want to analyze it. Aparently, I have the hots for an average 'murrican with obvious self-esteem issues.

 

[CatParty]

let's not forget chris liked her pretty or not pretty, but only because she talked to him.

 

[Batman]

let's not forget chris liked her pretty or not pretty, but only because she talked to him.

So what are you saying? That Chris liking a woman has or should have a Newman-type effect on normal people?

 

[CatParty]

[cwc]Alec_Benson_Leary_Phone_Call_2[/cwc]

today is the anniversary of chris revealing that he believes in a cartoon universe.

Chris: I mean- as- as-as an individual, within his own world, outside of your control, Asperchu would not want that name, he would be in agreement with me, and would probably want to change his name to something like "Mitch."

Alec: Ah, but the thing there is, Asperchu is not outside of my control because it's a comic, and I am the creator and, y'know, manager of his comic universe. So, I- as his creator I decide what Asperchu wants and what he doesn't want, and what his personality is like.

Chris: Hmm.

Alec: I mean, don't you think?

Chris: Fairly. I mean, have you ever watched the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

Alec: Yes I have, it was a good movie.

Chris: Yeah, yeah, you got the whole toon world there, and within that, it coincides with the comic as well, and every individual comic, published or unpublished, drawn altogether. And within the world, actually, would reside your Asperchu, but he would be with his individual thoughts since you gave him an adult attitude within his, within his individual thoughts, he would- he would hate having the name of Asperchu 'cause it emphasizes his mental problem.

Alec: Umm...

Chris: His special condition. And he's like, his process of wanting to move from that, and become more acceptable in society, that he would not want a name that would make him feel...

Alec: Okay...

Chris: Like as if he's still living it, even after he's fully recovered from it.

Alec: Okay, but Chris, um, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, that was still a movie, and everything in it was predetermined by the movie writers and director, and there is no alternate cartoon world in reality, I mean, cartoon characters don't actually think and feel things. Okay, here's a question-

Chris: Well, you obviously are naïve about that, cause you're not fully underst-, you're not understanding that possibility of that universe actually existing.

Alec: So you do believe that, um, when an artist creates a cartoon character, that character becomes real? That what you're saying to me?

Chris: Within that universe, yes.

[Raucous laughter can be heard in the background]

Alec: But the universe is fake. I mean, the Asperchu universe exists on paper and in my computer. It's just, it's whatever I write it to be. Oh, here's a question for you. Okay, so if you think a character would want, you know, and appropriate name, a good name, not a name that calls them out on something, or sets them back, um... "Sonichu" is the name of a species, correct? I mean, there's Sonichus and Rosechus, those are a species, right?

Chris: Yeah, but, he was the first one, the first original Sonichu, and she was the original Rosechu-

Alec: So, wouldn't they want their own-

Chris: [indignant] And-and they each came up with their name, on their own, [contradicting Sonichu #0, where Kel gives Rosechu her name] and they did not need a nickname to go with that.

 

[garbageraider]

I promise I would not lay a finger on you.

Wow, what girl could turn down an offer like that, right?

 

[CatParty]

I promise I would not lay a finger on you.

Wow, what girl could turn down an offer like that, right?

it's like i know the girl has know idea what chekhov's gun is, but seriously the first thing one would think when they heard that is that he'd be all over her.

 

[Silver]

I can't get over how he says "I would not want to take advantage of a possible minor" and, ignoring the implication that he'd be fine with taking advantage of an 18-year-old, but like he'd be willing to date an 18-year-old who's still in high school. He was 27.

 

[Batman]

I can't get over how he says "I would not want to take advantage of a possible minor" and, ignoring the implication that he'd be fine with taking advantage of an 18-year-old, but like he'd be willing to date an 18-year-old who's still in high school. He was 27.

I think even if this random girl did agree to go out with him, he'd try to do everything to her that didn't technically count as sexual intercourse (or in his case, sexual molestation). We'd also probably see many more repetitions of the ShecameforCWC incident.

 

[Silver]

I can't get over how he says "I would not want to take advantage of a possible minor" and, ignoring the implication that he'd be fine with taking advantage of an 18-year-old, but like he'd be willing to date an 18-year-old who's still in high school. He was 27.

I think even if this random girl did agree to go out with him, he'd try to do everything to her that didn't technically count as sexual intercourse (or in his case, sexual molestation).

Well, it's not like he knows what is and isn't appropriate for a 27-year-old to do to an 18/17-year-old. What he did was Megan was technically sexual harassment, but hell if he knew that.

 

[garbageraider]

I can't get over how he says "I would not want to take advantage of a possible minor" and, ignoring the implication that he'd be fine with taking advantage of an 18-year-old, but like he'd be willing to date an 18-year-old who's still in high school. He was 27.

I think even if this random girl did agree to go out with him, he'd try to do everything to her that didn't technically count as sexual intercourse (or in his case, sexual molestation).

Well, it's not like he knows what is and isn't appropriate for a 27-year-old to do to an 18/17-year-old. What he did was Megan was technically sexual harassment, but hell if he knew that.

Well, Chris' case is interesting, because his mental age is about 6 years old, and his physical age is about 40, or older. So, what are the acceptable age limits for him to date?

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Are there any circumstances under which Chris would feel guilt over having caused pain to another human being?

No.

To go further into that, I do believe that Chris would feel an instinctual pang of remorse/sadness/shame whenever he causes suffering he doesn't mean to, because I think that sort of thing is normal to the human brain.

However, I believe he's dumb enough that he could only interpret those things as "I feel uncomfortable". And because his mind has two other rules always in place - "I don't like to be uncomfortable" and "I deserve to have what I like and reject what I don't like" - his knee-jerk reaction is to cast enough blame on someone else until his own is all but forgotten. Even if this requires rewriting history.

So maybe for a little while he felt bad about touching Megan, but... my idea would explain why she suddenly became "queen of the trolls" without preamble.

 

[Batman]

Well, Chris' case is interesting, because his mental age is about 6 years old, and his physical age is about 40, or older. So, what are the acceptable age limits for him to date?

40's a bit generous. With the way his muscles are deteriorating, and his gut, his hair and his bowel control, I'd say there's no way Chris' physical age could be below 60.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

^Nah, he's at least 120. He's like an Ent, but covered in grease instead of bark.

 

[timtommy]

Well, Chris' case is interesting, because his mental age is about 6 years old, and his physical age is about 40, or older. So, what are the acceptable age limits for him to date?

I think that is a surprisingly fascinating question.

Let us ignore for now Chris' other negative characteristics, and picture a very naive, very immature, yet likeable autistic man in his early 30's. Suppose he has a mental age of 13.

If he dates a 13 year old, the reaction we all have is "statutory rape!", "harassment!".

If he dates a 30 year old neurotypical, a lot of us are uncomfortable with the actions of the neurotypical. She is taking advantage of a man who can't fully understand the consequences (switch the gender roles if you want to reinforce this point)

If he dates another 30 year old with the same condition, most of us approve.

So I suppose that is the answer. People need to match with people who are age appropriate, both physically and mentally. If the physical and mental age don't match, he needs to find someone else with a similar mismatch.

 

[CatParty]

Well, Chris' case is interesting, because his mental age is about 6 years old, and his physical age is about 40, or older. So, what are the acceptable age limits for him to date?

I think that is a surprisingly fascinating question.

Let us ignore for now Chris' other negative characteristics, and picture a very naive, very immature, yet likeable autistic man in his early 30's. Suppose he has a mental age of 13.

If he dates a 13 year old, the reaction we all have is "statutory rape!", "harassment!".

If he dates a 30 year old neurotypical, a lot of us are uncomfortable with the actions of the neurotypical. She is taking advantage of a man who can't fully understand the consequences (switch the gender roles if you want to reinforce this point)

If he dates another 30 year old with the same condition, most of us approve.

So I suppose that is the answer. People need to match with people who are age appropriate, both physically and mentally. If the physical and mental age don't match, he needs to find someone else with a similar mismatch.

how about he just resigns himself to the fact that he'll be forever alone

 

[timtommy]

Let us ignore for now Chris' other negative characteristics, and picture a very naive, very immature, yet likeable autistic man in his early 30's. Suppose he has a mental age of 13.

But we're talking about Chris.

True. I thought that that thought experiment is useful in thinking about the question "Who is it morally OK for Chris to date." I wanted to separate it from questions like "Who would ever want to date Chris?".

I have to admit to that it pushes my main bias about Chris. I think he should not have been mainstreamed. His bias against other autistics is, in my mind, the worst thing about him. Both because I find it repugnant, and because I think it has ruined his life more than anything else.

 

[Batman]

I have to admit to that it pushes my main bias about Chris. I think he should not have been mainstreamed. His bias against other autistics is, in my mind, the worst thing about him. Both because I find it repugnant, and because I think it has ruined his life more than anything else.

As far as biases go, it's up there. I personally find his racism more repugnant, although I do agree that Chris' bias against other autistics probably has ruined his life.

 

[timtommy]

As far as biases go, it's up there. I personally find his racism more repugnant, although I do agree that Chris' bias against other autistics probably has ruined his life.

I tend to not be as offended by his "racism" as I am with his autismism.

It tends to take one of two forms. One is "I don't want to date black people". It is fine to be more attracted to people of one race than another. I think it is more that he is and overly open, so instead of just not dating black girls, he puts it on a sign or yells it into a camera, not realizing that will put people off.

The second way he is racist is similar to his homophobia. He has some fairly old-school views that probably come from his father, but a lot of the time he is careful to couch them with some dumbass phrasing, like "I respect black people/homosexuals as individuals." I don't think it this is ok by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems to be more the product of ignorance, little interaction with black people, and . I don't think he has any thought out racist views.

On the other hand his autismism is much more of a consistent philosophy. His comments like "windows into hell" seem like much more concrete parts of his personality.

The level of hypocrisy in being able to say "I don't want to interact with other autistics" and "I would never date someone who is autisitic" and at the same time whine about Kick the Autistic or saying that his autism shouldn't prevent anyone from dating him is truly mindblowing. And when he whines about being lonely and misunderstood, while actively shunning the portion of the population who might understand him I want to tear my hair out.

He has autism, and expresses the most autismism I have ever heard. It is really one of the most incredible things about him.