Christmas at 14BC?

[Holdek]

The thing about those success stories is, that most of those people (if any) didn't get there on their own. They got real genuine help from their family. Chris has never had that luxury.

Like, people keep bringing this point about how Chris could totally live a happy and productive life "if he just wanted to and wasn't such a lazy ass", but they forget that the vast majority of Autistics still live less productive lives than regular people and virtually none of the success stories got there on their own. So I really don't understand why people expect Chris to achieve things that probably even the savants couldn't.

I can see where you are coming from here but how many folks have tried to reach out to Chris, how many white knight emails, phone calls and letters tried to offer real help?

Autistic success stories didn't get help from internet dweebs. They had family hold their hand and were forced and conditioned in to a more productive life. LIke that one guy on this forum who talked about that little brother of his and how he would force him out of stores screaming and sperging out loud.

Really, the actual help Chris has gotten is 0.

The last thing he needs is another ass-patter.

Nothing I've said is an ass-patt. Realizing that there are things that are simply out of his ability and recognizing that people like him don't just "grow the fuck up" =/= ass-patt.

Seriously, a person can't say anything that isn't "Chris is a complete moron who deserves X and Y" on this forum without being accused of being Anna

Seriously though, Chris has been asked several times by people he's trusted to go to a professional therapist and his response has ranged from, "Professional, NO" to, "Hmm yeah. Let me consider it. But anyways, about Pokemon..."

No one is suggesting that he could be "treated" by trolls but he doesn't even accept the suggestion to be treated by a mental health professional as legitimate. Even after being forced into assessments at least twice without the doctor strapping him in a straight jacket and electroshocking his temples until he cracked his teeth.

 

[sonichuis44]

Seriously though, Chris has been asked several times by people he's trusted to go to a professional therapist and his response has ranged from, "Professional, NO" to, "Hmm yeah. Let me consider it. But anyways, about Pokemon..."

No one is suggesting that he could be "treated" by trolls but he doesn't even accept the suggestion to be treated by a mental health professional as legitimate. Even after being forced into assessments at least twice without the doctor strapping him in a straight jacket and electroshocking his temples until he cracked his teeth.

That's because he's spent his entire life with the two people closest to him telling him "You don't need a shrink, you're not crazy!"

Chris has grown up paranoid of other people and the way they treat him, because his parents kept telling him "The teachers wanted to lock you up in an institution! The other kids are just jealous they never thought of Sonichu themselves! We wouldn't let them put you in special ed, because you're not retarded, you're super special!" He's never going to listen to a stranger, even a stranger offering him china, tell him to see a psychiatrist, because the two people closest to him his entire life taught him that he's just perfect as he is and everyone else is against him. Even when he ran someone over with his car, his mommy was right there to tell him "You're not the problem, it was that evil man's fault for running into your bumper!"

 

[3Yikes]

Seriously though, Chris has been asked several times by people he's trusted to go to a professional therapist and his response has ranged from, "Professional, NO" to, "Hmm yeah. Let me consider it. But anyways, about Pokemon..."

No one is suggesting that he could be "treated" by trolls but he doesn't even accept the suggestion to be treated by a mental health professional as legitimate. Even after being forced into assessments at least twice without the doctor strapping him in a straight jacket and electroshocking his temples until he cracked his teeth.

Seriously though, you don't yet understand what I am saying.

The Autistcs success stories were not asked to do anything, they didn't accept anything. They didn't need to. They were all forced in to it with consistency by the people who took care of them. Do you think that those autistics that can barely talk and wipe their own ass, who can nevertheless at lest hold a very basic job were like "yeah, i totally understood that I am and idiot and need to get my shit together"? No. They were conditioned by their caretakers in to said favorable situation. Left on their own with nothing but worthless, passive internet weens telling them how they should totally live their lives, they would all be just as bad, if not worse than Chris.

 

[RagtimeRoastBeefy]

So until group home saga happens lets all sit back and watch Chris freak out like normal over ridiculous shit. Cause let's face it, till group home saga, none of us are going to fix the guy with our super "legitimate" methods

I just don't see that happening. At least, it's a real long shot. Chris doesn't meet the diagnostic criteria for being put into a group home against his will, nor would he willingly admit himself to one while adhering to their rules. There are people far more disabled than Chris, who aren't committed to a group home.

I think Chris could be trained to mimic independence, like a dog. Drill a behavior into his head, until it becomes a mechanical routine... Basically Pavlovian conditioning. There would be little-to-no conscious thought, just a conditioned response to a spicific set of stimulus. However, that would require a person with the necessary authority to force him to learn these responses, and that opportunity is loooong gone except in a prison setting.

Zoltar sees bad things ahead for Chris, and one of them is the Prison Saga. My parlay bet is that Anna will somehow be involved in the commission of the crime, or his conviction.

Definitely a possibility. Group home saga is the most positive scenario out of a set of three possibilities. Homeless saga, group home saga, or prison saga.

 

[CatParty]

And out of those three, group home is the least likely.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Homeless saga and prison saga seem most likely. There are Chris-like people who are on the streets and in prison. Chris isn't special, like his parents and elementary school teachers told him.

 

[CatParty]

He's definitely "special"

 

[Lux]

I have to wonder how people here would react in the eventuality of a "Homeless Saga"
How long would he last on the street?
Where would he go?
Do you think he would seek help?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Where would he go?

"Go"? He'd load up the internet on his Vita and post: "HELP! HELP!! HELP!!!". Then, help would pretty much have to come.

 

[Lux]

Where would he go?

"Go"? He'd load up the internet on his Vita and post: "HELP! HELP!! HELP!!!". Then, help would pretty much have to come.

Maybe he'll move in with Anna. Wouldn't that be a sight?

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

The sad thing is we know he's going to have a hard time when Barb dies, and most likely won't stay in 14BC for long.

But Chris thinks he'll just play vidya, fight trolls and go on q-sand runs for the rest of his life. He has no idea how hard his life will be in the near future. To put it simply, the hardships he's faced so far will be potatoes compared to what he'll go through when he ends up on the mean streets of Charlottesville or in a prison.

 

[RagtimeRoastBeefy]

Or maybe all three happen. Homeless jail then halfway house

After barb dies he moves all of the horde he feels like to the lawn only to make room for a new horde of children's toys

 

[BALLZ-BROKEN]

Where would he go?

"Go"? He'd load up the internet on his Vita and post: "HELP! HELP!! HELP!!!". Then, help would pretty much have to come.

Maybe he'll move in with Anna. Wouldn't that be a sight?

But Chris doesn't like Call of Duty...

 

[Holdek]

I didn't mean when she dies though. Just that regardless if Barb is alive or dead Chris isn't in any circumstance to be sent to a group home at this time, and won't be unless it's a court order. And that would require another October 28th incident as it were.

I don't think that people get sent to group homes by court order against their will for violating the law. Rather, they get committed to psychiatric hospitals.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Well, there's the fourth option. He gets sent to a mental hospital when he goes bezerk and demands Mike Snyder give him a sweetheart from the ground-up for being the troll mastermind.

 

[Marvin]

Well, there's the fourth option. He gets sent to a mental hospital when he goes bezerk and demands Mike Snyder give him a sweetheart from the ground-up for being the troll mastermind.

Chris isn't going to violate the law to the extent where he'll reach a court capable of sentencing him to a mental hospital.

 

[Resetchu]

the fifth one, somehow and knowing Chris' luck, he manages to stay on his house, doing fine the first year without incidents so won't end up in jail and he will be selling via craigslist that that is still functional of all the hoard in the house

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Well, there's the fourth option. He gets sent to a mental hospital when he goes bezerk and demands Mike Snyder give him a sweetheart from the ground-up for being the troll mastermind.

Chris isn't going to violate the law to the extent where he'll reach a court capable of sentencing him to a mental hospital.

True, I was just being ridiculous.

If Chris goes to jail, like I've said before, he'll be a nuisance criminal who spends his life sentence a few days or weeks at a time.

 

[Silver]

The Autistcs success stories were not asked to do anything, they didn't accept anything. They didn't need to. They were all forced in to it with consistency by the people who took care of them. Do you think that those autistics that can barely talk and wipe their own ass, who can nevertheless at lest hold a very basic job were like "yeah, i totally understood that I am and idiot and need to get my shit together"? No. They were conditioned by their caretakers in to said favorable situation. Left on their own with nothing but worthless, passive internet weens telling them how they should totally live their lives, they would all be just as bad, if not worse than Chris.

Are you trying to suggest that all untreated autistics will inevitably turn out like Chris and that an autistic who, as you so eloquently put it, "can barely talk and wipe their own ass" is an idiot? If you do then that's just beyond fucked up, dude.

 

[3Yikes]

Are you trying to suggest that all untreated autistics will inevitably turn out like Chris and that an autistic who, as you so eloquently put it, "can barely talk and wipe their own ass" is an idiot? If you do then that's just beyond fucked up, dude.

What I am saying is, that someone in Chris's condition can't just "man the fuck up" or "stop being such a lazy ass etc." like so many people here seem to suggest. The prognosis for people with autism is generally pretty bad and only a small minority of them can actually be as independent as a regular adult. And most, if not all of the succeses that people keep mentioning are of people who were assisted directly, and not just told what to do by worthless internet white-knights and iwannafeelgoodaboutmyself weens.

If one could really just get over themselves and improve their lives like that, then nobody would take Autism seriously as a condition.