Clashes between Jews and Palestinians in Jerusalem. Israel now invading Gaza according to (Questionable) Reports - If your thoughts are "I don't like either" you don't need to fucking post because it's been said 100 times you fucking dullard

The wealth of those countries is owed almost exclusively to their oil reserves. They're still very far behind Israel in the realms of social progress, technological development, and human rights, and if it wasn't for Western expertise, they'd be just as poor as they were before they struck oil. My point still stands.
Okay, but the only reason why Israel is so advanced is because all of the people from 1947 - 60 are de facto European Jews, educated in European standards. Israel started out at a much brighter spot than the Arabs. And, ironically, them being so often at war, a small state versus the Arab world, has created a strong sense of philia among the citizens, whereas that hasn't happened in the Arabic world.
 
The crime rate in the Western world is historically low, and it's low in Israel too.
Yes, Historically low, not recently low. As a mountain starts with a lowly rise, so does a trend start with such humbleness.

You bring up some red herrings that the vast majority of Westerners don't support, while neglecting to mention the litany of barbaric practices and attitudes which a significant number of citizens across the Arab world statistically do support. There is simply no comparison between the two things.
Red herrings my ass. Weather or not that vast majority of westerners support it or not is irrelevant to the point. It exists with hardly any major pushback for what it deserves. Oh and I bet most people are still supportive of BLM despite the past year of "protesting".

I didn't ignore the barbaric practices. I even stated I don't blame them for be backwards.
 
Red herrings my ass. Weather or not that vast majority of westerners support it or not is irrelevant to the point. It exists with hardly any major pushback for what it deserves. Oh and I bet most people are still supportive of BLM despite the past year of "protesting".
There's plenty of pushback; you just have to bother to look for it. The reason it doesn't tend to make front page news is because it's an immensely marginal issue which affects a tiny number of people at worst, whereas the daily displays of barbarity which afflict the Middle East are both commonplace and systemic.

Like I said, it makes no sense to mention one as an attempt to excuse the other. There is simply no comparison.
 
There's plenty of pushback; you just have to bother to look for it. The reason it doesn't tend to make front page news is because it's an immensely marginal issue which affects a tiny number of people at worst, whereas the daily displays of barbarity which afflict the Middle East are both commonplace and systemic.

Like I said, it makes no sense to mention one as an attempt to excuse the other. There is simply no comparison.
Your joking right?
BLM/Antifa have
- Burned down a police precinct without a shot fired
- Attempted to do the same to a federal courthouse while assualting the officers sent there to stop them with hammers without a shot fired, and the cops themselves where painted as a foreign occupying army.
- Tried on multiple occasions to kill/seriously harm people by throwing trailer hitchs and tree limbs and whatever else through windshields without getting shot and when someone pulls a gun on them. The person with a gun gets arrested.
- Blocked multiple large roadways and fired shoots into the various cars/trucks that tried to go around them, again without any major pushback
- Vandalized dozens of monuments by either painting graffiti on them or outright pulling them down. Including the likes of Washington and Lincoln.
- Burned and looted countless shops/stores with impunity
- Set parts of the capital on fire while trying to break into the white house
- Had a well known member try to assualt a government facility with a gun and set it on fire, resulting in getting killed, without his movement being branded a terrorist organization.
- Done all this while either having charges dropped or reduced to slaps on the wrist

And all this is just BLM stuff. If there was any proper push back then the cops and DAs be would be arresting these people on the spot and giving them decades long prison sentences. For fear that the common citizens would begin hunting these people down like the criminals they are.

The only reason they are not engaging in bombing/IEDs and open attacks on anyone that doesn't agree with them is because they lack the committed numbers and resources. Give the US another decade of incompetent rule and further destabilization and they will act like any Mexican cartel or middle east militia/terror group.
 
There's plenty of pushback; you just have to bother to look for it. The reason it doesn't tend to make front page news is because it's an immensely marginal issue which affects a tiny number of people at worst, whereas the daily displays of barbarity which afflict the Middle East are both commonplace and systemic.

Like I said, it makes no sense to mention one as an attempt to excuse the other. There is simply no comparison.
Are you a fed by any chance? I assume you can't be one, since you're from 2018. That's way too long for feds to be active on the site.

Then again, the way you marginalize the impact the left has demonstrated last year is very weird.
 
Your joking right?
BLM/Antifa have
- Burned down a police precinct without a shot fired
- Attempted to do the same to a federal courthouse while assualting the officers sent there to stop them with hammers without a shot fired, and the cops themselves where painted as a foreign occupying army.
- Tried on multiple occasions to kill/seriously harm people by throwing trailer hitchs and tree limbs and whatever else through windshields without getting shot and when someone pulls a gun on them. The person with a gun gets arrested.
- Blocked multiple large roadways and fired shoots into the various cars/trucks that tried to go around them, again without any major pushback
- Vandalized dozens of monuments by either painting graffiti on them or outright pulling them down. Including the likes of Washington and Lincoln.
- Burned and looted countless shops/stores with impunity
- Set parts of the capital on fire while trying to break into the white house
- Had a well known member try to assualt a government facility with a gun and set it on fire, resulting in getting killed, without his movement being branded a terrorist organization.
- Done all this while either having charges dropped or reduced to slaps on the wrist

And all this is just BLM stuff. If there was any proper push back then the cops and DAs be would be arresting these people on the spot and giving them decades long prison sentences. For fear that the common citizens would begin hunting these people down like the criminals they are.

The only reason they are not engaging in bombing/IEDs and open attacks on anyone that doesn't agree with them is because they lack the committed numbers and resources. Give the US another decade of incompetent rule and further destabilization and they will act like any Mexican cartel or middle east militia/terror group.
If you're seriously comparing the recent racial unrest in America to the ongoing problems in the Middle East then you clearly have no perspective of the world around you.

There have been an estimated 14000 arrests since the riots began across the US, and in the times when the police did fail to contain the chaos, there have still been less deaths overall than the Israel-Gaza conflict is able to create in a single day. If we narrow our focus to the recent crisis, it's an order of magnitude less.
Then again, the way you marginalize the impact the left has demonstrated last year is very weird.
I'm not attempting to marginalize anything; I simply have some perspective. It is estimated that the riots across America in the last year have led to 400 injuries and 25 deaths. The UN, meanwhile, estimates that upwards of 5000 women are murdered every single year across the Middle East in so-called "honor killings", which statistics indicate are supported by up to half the population in many of the countries concerned.

Like I said, there is no comparison between the two cultures, and it is the height of hypocrisy to speak of the need to maintain order and civility on American streets while downplaying Israel's right to do the same on theirs; especially when the stakes for Israel are that much higher.
 
I'm not attempting to marginalize anything; I simply have some perspective. It is estimated that the riots across America in the last year have led to 400 injuries and 25 deaths. The UN, meanwhile, estimates that upwards of 5000 women are murdered every single year across the Middle East in so-called "honor killings", which statistics indicate are supported by up to half the population in many of the countries concerned.

Like I said, there is no comparison between the two cultures, and it is the height of hypocrisy to speak of the need to maintain order and civility on American streets while downplaying Israel's right to do the same on theirs; especially when the stakes for Israel are that much higher.
They're not "so-called" - they are honor killings, because societal stigma, circumvented by honor, are important parts of all of the Asian cultures. For their cultures it makes sense that honor must be upheld. For guilt-ridden Eurofags and their descendants who bend the knee to the minorities and tend to the needs of every fucking feminist maybe it doesn't.

As for Israel - who the hell is downplaying anything? Half the thread wants those Palestinians destroyed, the other half wants Palestine and Israel to destroy each-other.
 
If you're seriously comparing the recent racial unrest in America to the ongoing problems in the Middle East then you clearly have no perspective of the world around you.

There have been an estimated 14000 arrests since the riots began across the US, and in the times when the police did fail to contain the chaos, there have still been less deaths overall than the Israel-Gaza conflict is able to create in a single day. If we narrow our focus to the recent crisis, it's an order of magnitude less.
Lol, your a joke. Obviously a war involving rockets and fighter jets and guided bombs is going to have a higher death toll. Of course.

14000 arrests that result in quick releases and dropped charges. Hardly the reassuring figure you think it is.

You seem to confuse ability and intent. The intent of BLM and antifa has been a genocidal anarchist revolution from day one. The fact they can't carry it out doesn't subtract from their intentions. Give it a decade of this and will see how many bodies there are at the end.
 
They're not "so-called" - they are honor killings, because societal stigma, circumvented by honor, are important parts of all of the Asian cultures. For their cultures it makes sense that honor must be upheld. For guilt-ridden Eurofags and their descendants who bend the knee to the minorities and tend to the needs of every fucking feminist maybe it doesn't.
If you truly wish to live in some backward theocratic dystopia then feel free to move to one, but most people in the civilized world have a healthy respect for civilization, and there are few places in the world where the dichotomy is more pronounced than it is between Israel and Gaza.
You seem to confuse ability and intent. The intent of BLM and antifa has been a genocidal anarchist revolution from day one. The fact they can't carry it out doesn't subtract from their intentions. Give it a decade of this and will see how many bodies there are at the end.
BLM and Antifa are mostly just kids who want to LARP as revolutionaries, with a lot of criminal opportunists hitched to the bandwagon. Hamas is a terrorist organization which seeks the destruction of Israel as it's stated goal.

Your insinuation that there is an escalation of unrest in the United States is also demonstrably false, as both the protests and the riots have been dying down for months: daily arrests peaked last June, as did the number of demonstrations associated with BLM and Antifa.

Groups like Hamas, meanwhile, remain committed and organized, and they're not merely civilian troublemakers; they're the de facto government of the Gaza Strip. Once again, you have no sense of perspective.
 
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If you truly wish to live in some backward theocratic dystopia then feel free to move to one, but most people in the civilized world have a healthy respect for civilization, and there are few places in the world where the dichotomy is more pronounced than it is between Israel and Gaza.

BLM and Antifa are mostly just kids who want to LARP as revolutionaries, with a lot of criminal opportunists hitched to the bandwagon. Hamas is a terrorist organization which seeks the destruction of Israel as it's stated goal.

Your insinuation that there is an escalation of unrest in the United States is also demonstrably false, as both the protests and the riots have been dying down for months: daily arrests peaked last June, as did the number of demonstrations associated with BLM and Antifa.

Groups like Hamas, meanwhile, remain committed and organized, and they're not merely civilian troublemakers; they're the de facto government of the Gaza Strip. Once again, you have no sense of perspective.
Lmao, they are civilized, and have nearly 3000 years of civilized history over any European. And I wouldn't call them backward.

Half of the Middle East is to be the Next 11, a group of powerful economies to emerge in the next decade or so. The only theocracies so far are Iran(Next 11) and Saudi Arabia, whereas the other Muslim countries are pretty secular in their governments.
 
Lmao, they are civilized, and have nearly 3000 years of civilized history over any European. And I wouldn't call them backward.

Half of the Middle East is to be the Next 11, a group of powerful economies to emerge in the next decade or so. The only theocracies so far are Iran(Next 11) and Saudi Arabia, whereas the other Muslim countries are pretty secular in their governments.
The definition of civilized is an advanced stage of social and cultural development, and the present-day Middle East is not more advanced than present-day Europe or Israel.

Israel and most of Europe are comprised of functioning democratic states which uphold human rights, provide education to all of their citizens, and create the conditions for economic opportunity and technological development. The same cannot be said for most of Israel's neighbors, and it certainly cannot be said for their enemies.
 
The definition of civilized is an advanced stage of social and cultural development, and the present-day Middle East is not more advanced than present-day Europe or Israel.

Israel and most of Europe are comprised of functioning democratic states which uphold human rights, provide education to all of their citizens,
Democracy is just a form of government - it's not the end point or the mark of an advanced state. A state can be advanced without a democracy.

American-Anglo definitions of "human rights" - which now include the ability to be as degenerate as you want. People have education if they have the money for it, or someone giving them a stipend.

"and create the conditions for economic opportunity"

What does this mean? How much cash some shareholder makes?

and technological development.
I would imagine so, seeing as they are developed states, while the rest of the world is still developing.

The same cannot be said for most of Israel's neighbors, and it certainly cannot be said for their enemies.
Well, yeah, you don't fucking see the USA threatening to invade Israel for developing capabilities to defend itself like it does to Iran, now do you?
 
The definition of civilized is an advanced stage of social and cultural development, and the present-day Middle East is not more advanced than present-day Europe or Israel.

Israel and most of Europe are comprised of functioning democratic states which uphold human rights, provide education to all of their citizens, and create the conditions for economic opportunity and technological development. The same cannot be said for most of Israel's neighbors, and it certainly cannot be said for their enemies.
democracy in and of itself is worthless if it doesn't achieve prosperity and a sustainable future for the people under it, which in current year it really doesn't. every western democracy is in decline, and in the process of getting gradually replaced and taken over by hostile foreigners. this is in stark contrast to undemocratic countries, many of which have a much more sustainable population development, and a good future outlook as a result.

praising liberal democracy as some kind of great achievement while your society is literally dying seems highly delusional to me, same with bashing illiberal autocracies as backwards and uncivilized when their societies are actually much more stable and future-proof than your own.
 
If you truly wish to live in some backward theocratic dystopia then feel free to move to one, but most people in the civilized world have a healthy respect for civilization, and there are few places in the world where the dichotomy is more pronounced than it is between Israel and Gaza.
Lol, why move to the middle east when I can move to any western nation have the same in a decade or two.

BLM and Antifa are mostly just kids who want to LARP as revolutionaries, with a lot of criminal opportunists hitched to the bandwagon. Hamas is a terrorist organization which seeks the destruction of Israel as it's stated goal.
Both BLM and Antifa's stated goals are the destruction of the US and the establishment of a marxist utopia. Not that different from an Islamic theocracy in its brutality and ignorance. Kids my ass. The one that attack the ice facility was in his fifties. The one who murdered the proud boy was in his thirties or forties.

Your insinuation that there is an escalation of unrest in the United States is also demonstrably false, as both the protests and the riots have been dying down for months: daily arrests peaked last June, as did the number of demonstrations associated with BLM and Antifa.
The trend of both BLM and Antifa is been toward greater and greater destruction and carnage. Just as Israel and Hamas go throw periods of open fighting to "peaceful distrust", so does antifa and blm. The only why you could have a point here is if the US has reached peak "fiery, but mostly peaceful protests". And given last year's performance, the evidence is clear it isn't.

Groups like Hamas, meanwhile, remain committed and organized, and they're not merely civilian troublemakers; they're the de facto government of the Gaza Strip.
Lol, god your a joke. BLM and Antifa both are committed and organized. They have multiple umbrella organizations trying to establish proper insurgent cells. Antifa has tried several times to establish "autonomous zones" which would function no different then Gaza does now. They would be the government and the law. They would seek to expand.

Once again, you have no sense of perspective.
Lol, your a joke. You think a we have to be in the middle of a problem for us to be able to compare it to another. Anyone who saw last year and the response can see where its going. "Muh arrests are done!" Is such an idiotic point when one realizes the cops aren't arresting people in numbers anymore because prosecutors don't care to press charges. Portland is the perfect example of this. Antifa hasn't stopped with their "direct actions".
 
democracy in and of itself is worthless if it doesn't achieve prosperity and a sustainable future for the people under it, which in current year it really doesn't. every western democracy is in decline, and in the process of getting gradually replaced and taken over by hostile foreigners. this is in stark contrast to undemocratic countries, many of which have a much more sustainable population development, and a good future outlook as a result.

praising liberal democracy as some kind of great achievement while your society is literally dying seems highly delusional to me, same with bashing illiberal autocracies as backwards and uncivilized when their societies are actually much more stable and future-proof than your own.
Except the data clearly shows that you're wrong, since democratic countries are statistically the wealthiest (by gross financial wealth per adult), the most stable, and the most free. The contrast between Israel and the Palestinian territories is by no means an exception to the data in this regard.
A state can be advanced without a democracy.
And a short person can still become a basketball player. The fact you're missing is that there is a strong correlation to the contrary, and the Middle East's lack of advancement is by no means limited to it's lack of democracy. You also have to factor in the problems of sectarianism, religious fanaticism, inept leadership, military incompetence, and the lack of free expression and women's rights, both of which have dire consequences for innovation and economic development.
What does this mean? How much cash some shareholder makes?
It means that societies which emphasize education, critical thinking, and resourcefulness will invariably be better off than societies which discourage those things. As an example, Israel alone has produced six Nobel Prize winning scientists; the entire Arab world combined has produced just one.
Lol, your a joke. You think a we have to be in the middle of a problem for us to be able to compare it to another. Anyone who saw last year and the response can see where its going. "Muh arrests are done!" Is such an idiotic point when one realizes the cops aren't arresting people in numbers anymore because prosecutors don't care to press charges. Portland is the perfect example of this. Antifa hasn't stopped with their "direct actions".
No, I just think that you should broaden your perspective and realize that there are countries outside the US which easily rubbish the equivalence you're attempting to draw between the BLM protests and Islamist militia groups like Hamas, because right now you sound like an insular American who gets all of their information from American news outlets.

The recent political unrest in America is the product of a racial and cultural divide which is specific to the US and it's history; it can't to translated to the situation in Israel and Europe, and it isn't anything approaching comparable to the problems throughout the Middle East. Your flagrant attempts to invoke one as a means of dismissing the other is still very much a red herring.
 
Except the data clearly shows that you're wrong, since democratic countries are statistically the wealthiest (by gross financial wealth per adult), the most stable, and the most free. The contrast between Israel and the Palestinian territories is by no means an exception to the data in this regard.
China, a despotic realm, had been the leading economic power for 1000 years before the Industrialization and creation of the British Empire. China has existed between 1900 and 2700 years, making it more stable than any other country currently existing, even Iran. Most of the world is now democratic, doesn't matter de facto or not, yet most of the world is poor.

It's only the West that's really seen a benefit from Democracy.

and the lack of free expression and women's rights, both of which have dire consequences for innovation and economic development.
From what I gather, you basically want every country to follow the Western model, a universalist model, that has proven to be a failure for all non Western countries who have adopted it.

And what's your opinion on post-communist countries, where women have the same rights as men? Why are they shitholes? Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia, Kazakhstan, etc.
 
Except the data clearly shows that you're wrong, since democratic countries are statistically the wealthiest (by gross financial wealth per adult), the most stable, and the most free. The contrast between Israel and the Palestinian territories is by no means an exception to the data in this regard.
retard metrics like wealth and freedom(*) are fucking worthless and irrelevant in the face of population decline and ethnic replacement. your very own people are being diminished day by day, your numbers are dwindling, hostile foreigners encroaching on your lands a little bit more with every passing day. you are facing the slow death of your people and your answer is "but muh gdp per capita though!" which is just laughable

(*) nice 'most free' countries btw where people are under constant threat of being jailed for shit like posting wrongthink on facebook lmao
 
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