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Clashes between Jews and Palestinians in Jerusalem. Israel now invading Gaza according to (Questionable) Reports - If your thoughts are "I don't like either" you don't need to fucking post because it's been said 100 times you fucking dullard
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PS1gamenwatch
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"Palestine is owned by Israel... There are no Christians that are Palestinian". -- braless boobtuber at 3:26. Um, what?
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How to move boomers, tell them there are no members of their tribe within the enemy
or just make them ignore that when they have them like in Syria.
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"And then one day, for no reason at all...."
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"We don't know why, because we don't want to mention everyone on the Left that was shilling for Hamas."
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I know Vox is ground zero for pozzed woketard Millennial news, but Jesus Christ, this reads like a Babylon Bee headline.
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Considering it's Vox, you know they lumped in all criticism of Israel's actions whatsoever as "violent anti-Semitism."
DumbDude42
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could you at least stop with these straight up lies? it's fucking embarassing
(and these numbers are still inflated because they count participation in some govt subsidized or straight up govt run 'education and training' programmes as full time employment too)
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Preach on ! The retard doggo also forgot that "drug dealer" and "smuggler" are also not valid professions. Which most immigrants who aren't welfare leeches are. Oh, and there is terrorist too, does that count as being not on welfare lol?
Democracy was a mistake made by greek faggots. Fuck Greece.
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american christians don't acknowledge greek or oriental christians as christians but accept yazidis as christians. usually because "works based christianity" is anti-chrisitanity.
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Israeli settlers burn hay bales in the Palestinian village of Tuba.
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Only Athens had a democratic constitution and modern ones only slightly resemble it. Modern democracy basically comes from America and post-Napoleon France and both are influenced by feudalism(feudal = federal = ally, i.e - the cities, the vassals, the clergy and the ruler(government)).
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Athens was the "democracy" of only free male landowners, anyone else could fuck off, to the point of them not even having citizenship.
Likewise, modern democracies are and realistically can only be the democracies of professionals, bankers, corporate executives and other bourgeoise elements - forgive me the Marxese - together with think tankers, philosophers, NGO organizers, journalists etc ideologically propping the whole thing up. We can pretend as much as we want that everyone else's vote or opinion counts, but it only does so marginally at best.
Forget that, democracy was always a bad idea except for the relative minority that actually stands to benefit from it.
You can't have equality in a society of unequals. All societies are at their cores dictatorships of minorities.
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The U.S. Constitution is devised to be a republic, that is, a government chosen by the people, but avoid the worst problems of democracy. That's why it contains anti-democratic institutions like the Supreme Court, which gets to say no, you can't do that when the government does specific things the Constitution either doesn't give it the power to do, or actively prohibits it from doing.
Similarly, the Senate deliberately contains anti-democratic principles, such as requiring supermajorities to do things, protecting the interests of the minority.
A republic is designed to allow the public to turn its wishes into policy outcomes (through representative democracy), but subject to safeguards against mob rule (pure democracy).
Also part of why Greek democracy (of the Athenian sort) worked was it was at the city-state level so the public all had at least some shared interests. Part of why it didn't is it allowed the fragmentation of Greek society to the point it couldn't defend itself against the Romans because there was no central military capable of repelling them.
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You get to choose the legislative, but the strong executive you have in the form of your president is not elected "by the people", but by the states. The United States might be a "republic" (no shit, every state that isn't a monarchy is, and a republic can be democratic or otherwise. "Republic" is a broad term and it isn't mutually exclusive with "democracy"), but it's a federal state that has to take into account the opinions of fifty states, which are democratic republics in which both legislatures and governors are popularly elected.
To make a long story short: the United States is a federal democratic republic.
I'll never understand how you Americans keep playing on the meaning of "republic" and "democracy". I've only seen it from you.
Those are called "checks and balances", every "democracy" has them. Athens also had a constitution.
There was no mob rule in Athens considering that 80% of its population was excluded from the functions of its government. Mob rule is what anyone who has a stake in any sort of government, "democratic" or otherwise, wants to avoid.
It's easy to have shared interests when the same social class (free male landowners, 20% at best of the population) has access to decisionmaking, owns a stake in the state, and in fact essentially owns the state.
The same thing that happens in every state, "democratic" or otherwise, what changes is merely how the power of that minority is exercised.
And your conception of the classical Greek world is all over the place, if you're saying that all of Greece was democratic city-states you couldn't be wronger. Athens fought a war against a monarchy with two kings, leading a coalition of fellow monarchies, and lost.
Sparta's primacy over the patchwork of city-states WITH DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS that was Greece was succeded by Thebes' oligarchy, and then again by Macedon's monarchy, etc etc, all the way to Rome's conquest, which wasn't necessarily of a military nature.
Greece had city-states and kingdoms, DEMOCRATIC AND OTHERWISE, that were much too attached to their independence to pull up a united front against foreign enemies unless subjugated by the strongest power, like Macedon, and even then subjugation didn't mean losing independence. This was the case everywhere, democracy or not.
Pre-Roman Italy was tribal republics and kingdoms that all at some point entered a treaty of alliance with Rome (and Rome remained in fact a league of multiple Italian polities who only owed it their armed forces all the way up to the Social War), much of Europe was tribes, etc etc.
You're speaking in terms of nation-states when there were none, and not even Rome was one.
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That's what I said, minus emphasizing federalism in particular. The Electoral College is actually far more democratic than it was intended to be, when the electors were supposed to make their own decision as to electing the President. Now they're supposed to vote for a specific candidate regardless of what they think.
So the Presidency isn't as anti-democratic as it was intended to be, which is why I didn't go into it in an already giant textwall of dubious relevance to the thread.
I didn't say that anywhere, and only specifically and briefly talked about Athens, the closest analogue to modern democracy. The U.S. even initially had similar restrictions on the franchise, i.e. free land-owning males, although the rules about it varied wildly state to state. For instance, as early as 1790, women could vote in New Jersey. The only limitation on voting was having at least 50 pounds of assets of any sort. However, limitations on the franchise were universal at the outset.
And while Athens did have a constitution, it only barely resembled anything modern.
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