Climate change sperging - That thing everyone likes to sperg about when there's nothing more pressing to sperg about

[Penis Drager]

I know this is somewhat of a splinter issue here, but it doesn't get talked about much despite how divided the "community" here appears to be on the subject. So why not have a thread about it?
Ice at the poles is not exactly the norm in earth's history. That shit came and went many times in the past and it seems to correlate with the carbon in the atmosphere. And one of the driving factors for cooling is the fossilization of organic matter. This traps carbon in the earth and prevents it from being released in the atmosphere. What happens when you take a hundred million years worth of sequestered carbon and dump it into the atmosphere over the course of a century? Temperatures go right back up, of course.
To be fair, there's plenty of other ways carbon is leached out of the atmosphere. Chemical weathering is a thing and whatnot. But the amount of carbon that's simply buried as coal, oil, and methane adds up to a lot. Certainly more than enough to bring us out of our current ice age if a significant chunk of it went back into the air.
That said: Al Gore is a shameless grifter. AOC is either a grifter or just stupid (both?), and Thunberg is just stupid. Politicians and activists are doing jack shit to fix the problem, especially when they go on to advocate for destructive policies that encourage the organic industry. But maybe that's a spergout for another time...

 

[$5.3 Million Dollars]

All I know is that the winters are not nearly as harsh here as they were in this area when I was a child, and that my older relatives in the region have all said the same. While rising water is a great concern if you live on a coast, I'm personally more worried about how this effects crops and wildlife. When the weather gets too hormonal in the spring and you get those cold snaps into sudden heat waves your crop can get fucked quick.

Add to that the fact that North America produces a fuckton of food globally and that this might effect it and you'd think politicians would be a bit less willing to use this as a cudgel for whatever agenda they're pushing for that week and would actually attempt to find a solution or even just some emergency plans for worst case scenarios.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

An ice age would be worse in every way than a fairly negligible rise in global temperature. Glaciers are far more destructive than rising sea levels and move a lot faster, cold traps moisture that could turn into precipitation, etc.

Bring on the warming, I say.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

I think it's mostly bullshit.
I really liked Michael Crichton book "State of Fear".
Yeah I know, poplar trash sci fi writer, but it had an interesting point of view.

 

[User names must be unique]

The actual worst effects predicted by the alarmists are nothing. Far from the worst climactic shifts in the history of the planet, far from the worst climactic shift protohumans and prehistoric peoples endured. There are cave paintings in the middle of the Sahara depicting it as a lush paradise with lots of plants and animals, there are human settlements now 50m under the sea.

 

[Penis Drager]

An ice age would be worse in every way than a fairly negligible rise in global

We're IN an ice age, bruv (well, technically a warm interglacial period within an ice age but whatever). And milankovitch cycles shouldn't put us in a glacial period for another 10,000 years.
Just because one thing is better than another doesn't mean the one thing shouldn't be avoided.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Just because one thing is better than another doesn't mean the one thing shouldn't be avoided.

I kind of unironically want it to get warmer.

 

[Bongocat]

I couldn't tell you if climate change is a scam, but it sure looks like one.

Intentional sense of urgency and fear, used to push solutions that don't address the issue, repeatedly moving the goalposts, intentionally misleading statistics, etc.

The hopeless venture that I can't communicate to anyone else is that I trust science, but I do not trust scientists. They are political entities. They have biases and they have a great many reasons to be dishonest. Whether they are willingly lying or if they're forced to lie to protect their career does not matter to me.

 

[Pyre]

The planet will live on without us no matter what we do, but that doesn't mean we will. Lot of problems come from global rises in temperature. It effects migration patterns for animals, causes extreme weather conditions, causes shifts in local biomes and damages undersea life especially. Coral bleaching is an extremely, alarmingly common problem now, that and micro plastics in the oceans.
Climate change is a major problem and is very dangerous. The idiots have made a lot of people believe it isn't through their retarded behavior.

 

[Not Really Here]

That shit came and went many times in the past and it seems to correlate with the carbon in the atmosphere.

Atmospheric CO2 is a lagging indicator, it warmed first then CO2 went up.
Shifting animal and plant life is a whatever, even in the pesimistic 2 to 3 degrees warming over the next century living shit will just move faster.
Higher atmospheric CO2 is, decreasing the amount of water plants need to survive, and thus will increase food production and CO2 sequestration.

 

[It's HK-47]

This seems like as good a spot as any to dust off this old post from 2019, and bring up that this whole "The world is going to end due to climate change/global warming/global cooling" has been going on since at least the early 1900s. For such an impending crisis that's going to destroy us all in the span of a few years (Even if these predictions seem to fail periodically) it sure does seem like tomorrow never gets here.

 

[Penis Drager]

Atmospheric CO2 is a lagging indicator, it warmed first then CO2 went up.
Shifting animal and plant life is a whatever, even in the pesimistic 2 to 3 degrees warming over the next century living shit will just move faster.
Higher atmospheric CO2 is, decreasing the amount of water plants need to survive, and thus will increase food production and CO2 sequestration.

On the first point: yes, CO2 tends to lag temperature during the 100,000 year snapshot we have from ice cores. This is because the milankovitch cycle caused the initial warming and that released carbon from the ice which vastly accelerated it and caused a positive feedback loop. This is something we see today even.
On the other point: the whole concept of plants sequestering carbon is dumb for exactly the same reason people blaming livestock for carbon release is dumb. Plants take in carbon and release it when they die. It doesn't matter if it's a cow eating the shit or foraging insects or bacteria. Unless the plant manages to fossilize, all the carbon they stored is going right back into the air the moment they die.

 

[tonyabbotfan553]

bring back global cooling I wanna go snowboarding more often

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Its bad, yeah, but its just the bad that affects everything.
The few species at risk of extinction from climate change are generally "cloud-island" specialists, where they occupy a very narrow range at a fixed altitude due to temperature and habitat needs fixed to those elevations (such that it creates an "island" surrounded by relative inhospitable habitat).

Most species are being fucked by some other shit, and they just tack on climate change to sell the point home.
For example the Frosted Flatwoods salamander (Ambystoma cingulatum) lost over 99% wetlands across its range due to 1) industrial pine agriculture 2) suppression of natural wildfires 3) invasive plant take-over and 4) diseases killing off healthy adults. Of the <8 remaining wetlands that support this species, most are located on a national wildlife refuge which is low to sea level and within storm surge range (storm surge = salt water, salt water = dead amphibians) - so because of this climate change is listed as the #1 threat to the Frosties. IMO this is fucking dumb, because it wasn't climate change which drove the species to that critical stage, it was so many other more pressing issues.
Every time a frog in Central America goes kaput its probably either Chytridiomycetes or Ranavirus to blame, if not literally their habitats being slashed-and-burned for more urban sprawl - but that wont stop Greta from acting like they died because of CO2.

Habitat loss and invasive species are the top two drivers of biodiversity loss but of course habitat fragmentation and invasive species don't threaten multi-million/billion-dollar waterfront properties, so those get pushed to the back-burner while fractions of degrees of weather differences do.

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TL;DNR:
Climate change is bad, but there are worse issues facing global biodiversity.

 

[Dona Morte]

The Paris Climate accord IS.
It does not hold China accountable to the same standard. That being said lefties are usually - out of sight out of mind approach happily selling out our jobs to a country where there are no regulations.
I much rather work to keep jobs here so we CAN regulate the emissions.
Also end subsidies to green technologies.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Is your name a play on Dennis Prager? If so, quite fitting

Oh, wait, I've got a funny: It's not climate change, it's climate affirmation you bigot!

 

[Penis Drager]

Is your name a play on Dennis Prager? If so, quite fitting

My name was anti pedo action*, which was a play on antifa and I picked it for literally one dumb joke (if disagreeing with anti fascists automatically makes you a fascist, then disagreeing with the anti pedo automatically makes you a pedophile). The joke got old fast and I eventually let Q&A choose my new name. You're probably best off asking @Large what the fuck my name's supposed to mean (I think he was the one that chose it but I'm too lazy to double check.)
*note: before I made this account, I was @Watermelanin but I lost the password because stupid.
If anyone wants an account to be a retard with and feels like brute forcing a password that was some form of "bix nood 420" with dollar signs thrown in and some numbers replacing some letters, have fun.

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This seems like as good a spot as any to dust off this old post from 2019, and bring up that this whole "The world is going to end due to climate change/global warming/global cooling" has been going on since at least the early 1900s. For such an impending crisis that's going to destroy us all in the span of a few years (Even if these predictions seem to fail periodically) it sure does seem like tomorrow never gets here.

1859 is when the greenhouse effect was first discovered if I'm not mistaken. It was something that was noted, but not really given a spotlight because we just left the industrial revolution at the time. Fear mongering at that point would be like telling people not to piss in the ocean because you might flood the beaches. But by the 1960's we had begun to pump out so much CO2 that the effects were measurable.
The "ice age" shit was a bunch of bull. most studies at the time predicted warming even back then. That's just the media retards being the retarded media. Most of the climate predictions have actually been quite accurate, especially given their technological limitations. 99% of the doom and gloom is just horseshit coming from some guy with credentials or just politicians/activists being retards/grifters.

 

[Whatevermancer]

I'm no expert, but merely several decades ago winters where I live used to be snowy and summers used to be milder. Now there's barely any snow in the winter and summers are hot as fuck.

 

[FunPosting101]

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This seems like as good a spot as any to dust off this old post from 2019, and bring up that this whole "The world is going to end due to climate change/global warming/global cooling" has been going on since at least the early 1900s. For such an impending crisis that's going to destroy us all in the span of a few years (Even if these predictions seem to fail periodically) it sure does seem like tomorrow never gets here.

This a good post and worth quoting, that aside, even if man-made climate change were both real(I think it is, fwiw.)and precisely as bad as most of the alarmists are claiming it is.(I find this highly doubtful, doomsaying typically never amounts to much.) We still wouldn't do anything about it because the costs involved in mitigating or reversing said climate change are simply too steep, you would basically have to shut down industrial civilization and we just aren't going to do that. A better idea in that case would be to develop methods of surviving and thriving in an increasingly warmer world.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Ice at the poles is not exactly the norm in earth's history. That shit came and went many times in the past and it seems to correlate with the carbon in the atmosphere.

That's true, but the length of time which separates the periods where there was ice at the poles from the periods where there wasn't is typically on the order of tens of millions of years:

It takes time for life on Earth to adapt to these kinds of global temperature changes, and I don't think anyone really knows what the full consequences might be of accelerating them to the degree we have since the industrial revolution. Almost certainly, the consequences will be bad, it's simply a question of how bad.

I'm very far from an alarmist when it comes to climate change. I think we'll probably manage to get it under control by the end of this century, but I also think it's in our interest to take proactive steps to lessen the damage it's likely to cause in the meantime. Millions of people are on track to be displaced by rising sea levels; desertification and changes in the migration patterns of invasive species pose a real threat to our food supply. It is a serious problem; even if it's not a world ending one.