Culture #CNNBlackmail

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and now they attack entire organizations and making them crazy.


Most recent, and what spurned this thread, is CNN losing their shit over a wrestling meme, then threatening to dox a rando if he didn't apologize

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Their whole staff is going insane on air, look at Sally Kohn losing her shit over a meme

 
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I'm so mad, I can't find this political cartoon made of Jackson besides a pile of skulls meant to remind the American people he was a murderer to which America reacted with "lol based" and elected him in a landslide, so what I'm using now will have to do.

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Essentially, Republicans could have rerun this cartoon with Hillary's face on it and had the same message. This is a pretty famous cartoon but it is actually from 1848, after Jackson.
 
I wouldn't be surprised Trump's petty attacks on Media organizations are part of his strategy to make them do something stupid in return and discredit them so people would be apathetically fine whatever Trump says or does. If that so, I have to give him some credit on that strategy despite putting the population of United States in consent paranoia and distrust with one another.
At this rate, it wouldn't surprise me if that was Trump's plan. I mean GamerGate was largely spurred on by how shitty games journalism was, it was only a matter of time before the mainstream news folled that up with its own, similar incident.
 
I think you just summed up exactly why he got into office in the first place.

Both the media and political establishment are horrible. But they hide this horribleness through the power of their various propaganda outlets. They send out the message that they are in fact respectable and that anyone who says otherwise is a horrible dirty liar.

Trump is also horrible. Trump, however, doesn't really hide it. He is who he is.

The media and the political establishment thinks that because they are perceived as respectable, and Trump is openly horrible, that pointing out how horrible he is will slay him. The error they make is that they think their propaganda works a lot better than it does. Everybody knows they are horrible and doesn't trust them and wants change. Respectable v. Horrible can be an easy win for respectable. But respectable isn't actually in the game here.

What the public is seeing is a bunch of horrible, powerful groups going after each other tooth and nail. People end up siding with Trump because he doesn't put on airs to be anything but what he is but his opponents are in desperate need of a call out they can't ignore. We don't need CNN to tell us what Trump is. But, society needed Trump for there finally to be a voice powerful enough to point out how horrible CNN is. The same dynamics went on with Hillary. He exposed everything that was wrong with her that the media and political establishment didn't want people to hear. People talk about the election like everyone was sinking down to Trump's level when they attacked him with dirty tricks. But really what happened was Trump exposed they had been there all along and enough of the public to elect him found that extremely satisfying.

I'm hoping now that it's becoming undeniable that nearly everyone with power in this country is horrible the country can start exploring some non-horrible options. The first step to getting a win against trump on a platform of, "I am a good and respectable person and he is not," is to actually be one. If you aren't and the public knows it, you better find another way to beat him than that.
 
Both the media and political establishment are horrible. But they hide this horribleness through the power of their various propaganda outlets. They send out the message that they are in fact respectable and that anyone who says otherwise is a horrible dirty liar.

Trump is also horrible. Trump, however, doesn't really hide it. He is who he is.

The media and the political establishment thinks that because they are perceived as respectable, and Trump is openly horrible, that pointing out how horrible he is will slay him. The error they make is that they think their propaganda works a lot better than it does. Everybody knows they are horrible and doesn't trust them and wants change. Respectable v. Horrible can be an easy win for respectable. But respectable isn't actually in the game here.

What the public is seeing is a bunch of horrible, powerful groups going after each other tooth and nail. People end up siding with Trump because he doesn't put on airs to be anything but what he is but his opponents are in desperate need of a call out they can't ignore. We don't need CNN to tell us what Trump is. But, society needed Trump for there finally to be a voice powerful enough to point out how horrible CNN is. The same dynamics went on with Hillary. He exposed everything that was wrong with her that the media and political establishment didn't want people to hear. People talk about the election like everyone was sinking down to Trump's level when they attacked him with dirty tricks. But really what happened was Trump exposed they had been there all along and enough of the public to elect him found that extremely satisfying.

I'm hoping now that it's becoming undeniable that nearly everyone with power in this country is horrible the country can start exploring some non-horrible options. The first step to getting a win against trump on a platform of, "I am a good and respectable person and he is not," is to actually be one. If you aren't and the public knows it, you better find another way to beat him than that.
I love doxing randos.
 
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Essentially, Republicans could have rerun this cartoon with Hillary's face on it and had the same message. This is a pretty famous cartoon but it is actually from 1848, after Jackson.

If they'd done that, Hillary might have won despite her best efforts to lose.
 
Trump is also horrible. Trump, however, doesn't really hide it. He is who he is.

I mean this seriously, and not as a supporter of Trump (because I am not implicitly a Trump supporter unless there is salt to be mined). But what makes him horrible? It's like people feel like they have to take a shot at him to also talk about him, like it balances it out or something.

I don't feel he's horrible, as a human being, anyway. He's a ludicrously successful businessman who came from big money and made it much bigger. He apparently is a pretty good dad (his kids all seem to be pretty decent folks, even if Barron has :autism:). He's a popular TV mainstay known for being a business mogul, and that was what he was in real life. He strikes me as someone honest to himself, and open about what he is to everyone else. I don't expect it to ever come out that he's like GWB who kept the bible on his nightstand and read multiple books every week, or anything like that. The news spent an entire election cycle trying to dig up dirt on the guy and the worst thing they ever found was the "grab em by the pussy" line, which is nothing at all. Shit, even the vaunted "nigger tapes" that supposedly existed from the apprentice never materialized. The guy is remarkably clean for such a long-lasting businessman, and if any of the popular stereotypes of people like him are true, he should have had at least 20, maybe 30 orphanages bulldozed for imminent domain projects to build new casinos. It just always seems to me that if he were a truly bad dude that something would have popped up. Some terrible moral crisis in which he took the low road and did something awful, or had such a terrible screaming fit that he said something truly reprehensible (as opposed to calling Joe Scarborough dumb or whatever).

I don't think his policies or stances make him horrible either. I didn't agree with much of anything on Obama, but I don't think he's a horrible person either just because I disagree with him politically. I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says or does either, but I don't feel that that detracts from him as a person. I could make the distinction that a person's policies were horrible without them being horrible, because I don't think that that politican sat up at night thinking of new ways to torment people like me- just that he acted according to how he believed he should act, and to his and his ideology's best benefit.

The dude likes to talk shit, and he doesn't pull any punches when he does it. I would call him silly, not horrible. Boisterous, grandstanding, bizarre, and a host of other things, but nothing that would imply that he is personally a bad person any moreso than the other people who surround him.

I think this idea that everyone and everything has to be shit in politics just leads to this pervasive nihilism that nothing is good and that taking a stance makes you silly because you have something to believe in. He doesn't have to be mother theresa or anything. You don't have to dehumanize people you disagree with, either. When you do that, you do what the current news media and tumblrverse and all those other boogeymen do. There's no reason to do it.

Sorry, I don't mean to specifically target this at you. Just that it always seems odd that before somebody says something vaguely complementary of any polarizing figure, they feel as if they need to provide some sort of negating addend to the statement so that one does not seem to be biased towards or away from the subject. That sort of behavior is why people make fun of centrists and the idea of moderation. "Well, not that I like the guy and he's a total shithead, but..."

For those reasons, I do agree that the media and political establishment in general are horrible. They make these bizarre trends propagate and magnify these problems. They cause all sorts of tribalism in the weirdest ways and divides that aren't needed. They have always existed in society and probably always will, but there is no reason to demonize some guy because he disagrees on the stratification of tax brackets.
 
Point being: every president is insane. You have to be to deal with the shit they do.
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Ive often thought that in order to even want to be president, and deal with all that shit, you kind of have to be a real sociopath. Its just that most presidents or politicians try to hide it behjnd decorum and grace, I guess.

reminds me of a line from Dune... er, Chapterhouse Dune, the last Frank Herbert Dune novel (so, the last Dune novel because KJA and Brian Herbert are hacks): "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible."

obviously this applies to journalists, well-connected troons, fat dangerhairs who have slept with the "right" people, Charlie Sheen, etc.
 
I mean this seriously, and not as a supporter of Trump (because I am not implicitly a Trump supporter unless there is salt to be mined). But what makes him horrible? It's like people feel like they have to take a shot at him to also talk about him, like it balances it out or something.

I don't feel he's horrible, as a human being, anyway. He's a ludicrously successful businessman who came from big money and made it much bigger. He apparently is a pretty good dad (his kids all seem to be pretty decent folks, even if Barron has :autism:). He's a popular TV mainstay known for being a business mogul, and that was what he was in real life. He strikes me as someone honest to himself, and open about what he is to everyone else. I don't expect it to ever come out that he's like GWB who kept the bible on his nightstand and read multiple books every week, or anything like that. The news spent an entire election cycle trying to dig up dirt on the guy and the worst thing they ever found was the "grab em by the pussy" line, which is nothing at all. Shit, even the vaunted "nigger tapes" that supposedly existed from the apprentice never materialized. The guy is remarkably clean for such a long-lasting businessman, and if any of the popular stereotypes of people like him are true, he should have had at least 20, maybe 30 orphanages bulldozed for imminent domain projects to build new casinos. It just always seems to me that if he were a truly bad dude that something would have popped up. Some terrible moral crisis in which he took the low road and did something awful, or had such a terrible screaming fit that he said something truly reprehensible (as opposed to calling Joe Scarborough dumb or whatever).

I don't think his policies or stances make him horrible either. I didn't agree with much of anything on Obama, but I don't think he's a horrible person either just because I disagree with him politically. I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says or does either, but I don't feel that that detracts from him as a person. I could make the distinction that a person's policies were horrible without them being horrible, because I don't think that that politican sat up at night thinking of new ways to torment people like me- just that he acted according to how he believed he should act, and to his and his ideology's best benefit.

The dude likes to talk shit, and he doesn't pull any punches when he does it. I would call him silly, not horrible. Boisterous, grandstanding, bizarre, and a host of other things, but nothing that would imply that he is personally a bad person any moreso than the other people who surround him.

I think this idea that everyone and everything has to be shit in politics just leads to this pervasive nihilism that nothing is good and that taking a stance makes you silly because you have something to believe in. He doesn't have to be mother theresa or anything. You don't have to dehumanize people you disagree with, either. When you do that, you do what the current news media and tumblrverse and all those other boogeymen do. There's no reason to do it.

Sorry, I don't mean to specifically target this at you. Just that it always seems odd that before somebody says something vaguely complementary of any polarizing figure, they feel as if they need to provide some sort of negating addend to the statement so that one does not seem to be biased towards or away from the subject. That sort of behavior is why people make fun of centrists and the idea of moderation. "Well, not that I like the guy and he's a total shithead, but..."

For those reasons, I do agree that the media and political establishment in general are horrible. They make these bizarre trends propagate and magnify these problems. They cause all sorts of tribalism in the weirdest ways and divides that aren't needed. They have always existed in society and probably always will, but there is no reason to demonize some guy because he disagrees on the stratification of tax brackets.

Regrettably, this is the current state of politics. The other side isn't wrong, or merely ignorant, or even possessed of different moral views or upbringing as our side. They are evil, full stop. Evil cannot be negotiated with, evil cannot be compromised with. Only eliminated. Instead of issues, we have a politics of celebrity.
 
I mean this seriously, and not as a supporter of Trump (because I am not implicitly a Trump supporter unless there is salt to be mined). But what makes him horrible? It's like people feel like they have to take a shot at him to also talk about him, like it balances it out or something.

I don't feel he's horrible, as a human being, anyway. He's a ludicrously successful businessman who came from big money and made it much bigger. He apparently is a pretty good dad (his kids all seem to be pretty decent folks, even if Barron has :autism:). He's a popular TV mainstay known for being a business mogul, and that was what he was in real life. He strikes me as someone honest to himself, and open about what he is to everyone else. I don't expect it to ever come out that he's like GWB who kept the bible on his nightstand and read multiple books every week, or anything like that. The news spent an entire election cycle trying to dig up dirt on the guy and the worst thing they ever found was the "grab em by the pussy" line, which is nothing at all. Shit, even the vaunted "nigger tapes" that supposedly existed from the apprentice never materialized. The guy is remarkably clean for such a long-lasting businessman, and if any of the popular stereotypes of people like him are true, he should have had at least 20, maybe 30 orphanages bulldozed for imminent domain projects to build new casinos. It just always seems to me that if he were a truly bad dude that something would have popped up. Some terrible moral crisis in which he took the low road and did something awful, or had such a terrible screaming fit that he said something truly reprehensible (as opposed to calling Joe Scarborough dumb or whatever).

I don't think his policies or stances make him horrible either. I didn't agree with much of anything on Obama, but I don't think he's a horrible person either just because I disagree with him politically. I don't agree with a lot of what Trump says or does either, but I don't feel that that detracts from him as a person. I could make the distinction that a person's policies were horrible without them being horrible, because I don't think that that politican sat up at night thinking of new ways to torment people like me- just that he acted according to how he believed he should act, and to his and his ideology's best benefit.

The dude likes to talk shit, and he doesn't pull any punches when he does it. I would call him silly, not horrible. Boisterous, grandstanding, bizarre, and a host of other things, but nothing that would imply that he is personally a bad person any moreso than the other people who surround him.

I think this idea that everyone and everything has to be shit in politics just leads to this pervasive nihilism that nothing is good and that taking a stance makes you silly because you have something to believe in. He doesn't have to be mother theresa or anything. You don't have to dehumanize people you disagree with, either. When you do that, you do what the current news media and tumblrverse and all those other boogeymen do. There's no reason to do it.

Sorry, I don't mean to specifically target this at you. Just that it always seems odd that before somebody says something vaguely complementary of any polarizing figure, they feel as if they need to provide some sort of negating addend to the statement so that one does not seem to be biased towards or away from the subject. That sort of behavior is why people make fun of centrists and the idea of moderation. "Well, not that I like the guy and he's a total shithead, but..."

For those reasons, I do agree that the media and political establishment in general are horrible. They make these bizarre trends propagate and magnify these problems. They cause all sorts of tribalism in the weirdest ways and divides that aren't needed. They have always existed in society and probably always will, but there is no reason to demonize some guy because he disagrees on the stratification of tax brackets.
That's what I always saw it when it came to Trump. Man's accomplished more than anyone at CNN ever could and his presidency, while rough, has him at least doing more than any Democrat was doing (and likely never would). And people were tired of their bullshit, so why not vote in the boisterous blonde hotel-owning billionaire? And so far, Trump's been much more effective against ISIS than Obama ever could be.

Again, I don't agree with all of his policies, but there's a lot worse out there. And I can totally see why he bashes CNN and their particular brand of idiocy. The fact that they spearheaded the "TRUMP IS SATAN" movement alongside Hollywood, even though that shit never happened before he decided to run for president is clearly a sign of them not agreeing with or accepting the fact that people (i.e the general public) wanted change. They wanted stuff to be done and they're getting what they want. So natually when someone calls them out on their bullshit or mocks them like in this case, they REEEEEEEEEE just like any lolcow would.

Hell, at this point, CNN might as well be a lolcow in and of itself. And if this has any lasting concequence toward the company and/or mainstream news like how GamerGate affected the reputation of games journalism, then they fully deserve it. They brought it onto themselves when they first sperged about the meme then blackmailed the maker.
 
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