Culture College student kicked out of class for telling professor there are only two genders

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A religious studies major was barred from Christianity class at Indiana University of Pennsylvania for saying during class that there are only two genders.

Lake Ingle, a senior at the university, said he was silenced and punished by IUP Professor Alison Downie for questioning her during a Feb. 28 “Christianity 481: Self, Sin, and Salvation” lecture.

After showing a 15-minute TED Talk by transgender ex-pastor Paula Stone Williams discussing the “reality” of “mansplaining,” “sexism from men,” and “male privilege,” the professor asked the women in the class to share their thoughts. When no women in the class said anything, Ingle spoke up, challenging the professor on biology and the gender wage gap.

He told the class that the official view of biologists is that there are only two genders.

The feminist professor booted him from class and asked him not to come back. She referred him to the public university’s Academic Integrity Board (AIB). Ingle needs to complete the class to graduate at the end of the semester.

“You are barred from attending this class in accordance with the Classroom Disruption policy,” IUP Provost Timothy Moerland told Ingle in a March 2 letter.

Ingle said what the professor did was unconstitutional.

“My professor is violating my First Amendment rights because of the fact that my views and ideology is different from hers,” Ingle told Fox News. “So she took it on herself to silence and embarrass me – bully me – for speaking up in class.”

Downie accused the conservative libertarian student of “disrespectful objection,” “refusal to stop talking out of turn,” “angry outbursts in response to being required to listen to a trans speaker discuss the reality of white male privilege and sexism,” and “disrespectful references to the validity of trans identity and experience.”

Ingle doesn’t see this as a transgender, women’s rights, or wage issue, but rather as free speech and an example of the constant misuse of intellectual power at universities.

“It is my firmest belief that every human being has the freedom and right to identify, dress, and represent oneself as they see fit,” Ingle said. “I think this is all an attempt to silence my views personally because they contradict the ones she pushes in class so evidently.”

Ingle objected to Downie’s “overall abuse” as a professor “indoctrinating” students because she won’t listen to the other side of a controversial argument.

“You can’t say that anecdotal evidence is fact,” Ingle said. “My professor pretty much just tried to shut me up because she was just letting women speak. I brought up the fact that biologists don’t agree that there’s more than two genders and I said the wage gap she’s referring to – 77 cents on the dollar – that even the New York Times debunked that.”

Downie and Ingle had an AIB hearing Friday, with a ruling set for March 19.

If the board rules against Ingle, he won’t graduate in May. Regardless, he plans on someday becoming a professor.

“When you see that kind of misuse of intellectual power, you want to be the person that comes back and does it responsibly and with morals,” Ingle said. “Instead of being the purveyor of your ideology, you can be an educator.”

The university was unable to comment due to student education records, and Downie did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
 
I don't know why people think lectures are debates. They're not. Any lecture I've been to was in an auditorium, where the seats are arranged like a funnel for you to listen to the person at the podium. To me, that arrangement says a lot.

It wasn't a lecture, she asked students to speak.

Actually, if you want an education that fits that "open forum for learning" model, then Evergreen State College is pretty much exactly what you're looking for. Seriously, if you scrape away the sjw nonsense, it seems like a pretty neat setup.

Not when only one opinion is allowed and you get threatened with violence if you disagree, or even show up to do your job, if the monkeys running the monkey house decide Jewish professors aren't allowed there that day.
 
There are many ways to teach a class, and the syllabus for the class in question said to expect participation in classroom discussion about contentious subject matter. The teacher shouldn't ask for opinions if they are gonna kick people out over hearing those opinions.
It wasn't a lecture, she asked students to speak.
Fair enough.

I guess I'm more making a meta argument about the nature of college classes. I've never encountered a single college class that put much focus on class participation.

You come in, you listen to the professor drone. Occasionally answer questions, but that's not really a huge component. And then you do assignments.

It's not anything like the intellectual round table that I imagine when people say "you go to college to expand your mind" or similar nonsense like that. Though I'm mostly familiar with big universities. Maybe smaller colleges are a little cozier?
It was unlikely to be in one of those funnel classrooms, those are mostly reserved for STEM in my experience.
I've taken language classes in auditoriums like that. It was not very educational.
Not when only one opinion is allowed and you get threatened with violence if you disagree, or even show up to do your job, if the monkeys running the monkey house decide Jewish professors aren't allowed there that day.
That's the SJW nonsense I was talking about.
 
I guess I'm more making a meta argument about the nature of college classes. I've never encountered a single college class that put much focus on class participation.

Really? The only classes I've been in where that doesn't happen are huge survey classes with 101 as the course number, or math and science courses where it really is you just sit there and listen and ask questions maybe at the end of the lecture. Even those usually have lab attached where you can actually interact more with others.
 
Really? The only classes I've been in where that doesn't happen are huge survey classes with 101 as the course number, or math and science courses where it really is you just sit there and listen and ask questions maybe at the end of the lecture. Even those usually have lab attached where you can actually interact more with others.
Heh, well, I also took a lot of computer classes, so I guess that explains it.
 
Well, obviously some classes are going to encourage questions, but even as a history major, while there were debates, there were lectures as well. And in some of my classes, we took a hell of a lot of notes, (in fact, some of them didn't even have a textbook -- it was all from notes). So if some asshat is spending all the time arguing with the professor, that's going to annoy the rest of the class.
And even if it IS a debate, it's also being a buttmunch to monopolize the conversation.

And when I said, "colleges are there to expand your mind", what I'm talking about is, you're not there just to have your views confirmed. You're going to be exposed to stuff you haven't before, you're going to have to do with viewpoints that are opposite your own, people you don't like, etc. You're not there to be coddled. Whether it's some fundie who doesn't want to study evolution, or some SJW who whines about watching a documentary that might be triggering. Hey, guess what? This isn't summer camp. Suck it up, buttercup. Life ain't fair.
What are you going to do when you get a job, and find out that your coworker voted for Trump or is gay or whatever? Whine to the boss, or call them a freak/fascist? Yeah, good luck with that.
 
Well, obviously some classes are going to encourage questions, but even as a history major, while there were debates, there were lectures as well. And in some of my classes, we took a hell of a lot of notes, (in fact, some of them didn't even have a textbook -- it was all from notes). So if some asshat is spending all the time arguing with the professor, that's going to annoy the rest of the class.
And even if it IS a debate, it's also being a buttmunch to monopolize the conversation.

The bitch literally ASKED for comments.
 
Well, obviously some classes are going to encourage questions, but even as a history major, while there were debates, there were lectures as well. And in some of my classes, we took a hell of a lot of notes, (in fact, some of them didn't even have a textbook -- it was all from notes). So if some asshat is spending all the time arguing with the professor, that's going to annoy the rest of the class.
And even if it IS a debate, it's also being a buttmunch to monopolize the conversation.

And when I said, "colleges are there to expand your mind", what I'm talking about is, you're not there just to have your views confirmed. You're going to be exposed to stuff you haven't before, you're going to have to do with viewpoints that are opposite your own, people you don't like, etc. You're not there to be coddled. Whether it's some fundie who doesn't want to study evolution, or some SJW who whines about watching a documentary that might be triggering. Hey, guess what? This isn't summer camp. Suck it up, buttercup. Life ain't fair.
What are you going to do when you get a job, and find out that your coworker voted for Trump or is gay or whatever? Whine to the boss, or call them a freak/fascist? Yeah, good luck with that.

Why the hell are you riding this bitche's clit so hard? She's clearly insane.
 
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Where the hell did I say she wasn't insane? Does her being insane mean everyone gets to act like a douche?

So this means a university can just steal tens of thousands of federal dollars, leaving this dude in debt for the rest of his life, and then steal a degree from him because he had an insane professor?
 
So this means a university can just steal tens of thousands of federal dollars, leaving this dude in debt for the rest of his life, and then steal a degree from him because he had an insane professor?

No, however, nobody is owed a degree -- if you're not following the requirements, you don't get said degree. And sadly, we all have to deal with shitty professors. I'm getting the impression, based on what I saw in his interview, and his own admission, that he liked to troll his classes. Obviously the school can't say anything, due to liability reasons, but I would be very interested to hear from his fellow students.

Plus I'm tired of students -- no matter WHAT THEIR POLITICAL AFFILIATION -- bitching and moaning because they have to deal with a viewpoint they disagree with.
 
Plus I'm tired of students -- no matter WHAT THEIR POLITICAL AFFILIATION -- bitching and moaning because they have to deal with a viewpoint they disagree with.

How are you oblivious to the fact that the professor actually explicitly asked for the opinions of the class and it was actually that insane professor who freaked out when that opinion differed from hers?
 
Wasn't it the speaker who asked for questions, and then the professor who freaked out later, claiming he was rude? (I don't think the speaker has said anything about it, but I could be wrong. I looked on her website, but I didn't see anything.)

Basically, here's my viewpoint, then I'm going to wait and see if there's anything else coming out:

1.) Both student and teacher sound like a pair of jagoffs
2.) I suspect there's more to the story than what's being reported
3.) College isn't a place to have your opinion verified, and sometimes you have to deal with your views being challenged. And more and more I'm disturbed because I keep hearing about students throwing fits about having to take classes, or study things that they find offensive.
4.) Some professors suck, and sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with it. Otherwise I don't see how these brats will cope when they go out and get a job, and have to manage with their bosses and coworkers.
6.) I see this as the flipside of all the stories we've seen of SJWs freaking out over conservative speakers asking for debate
7.) I'm becoming too goddamned cynical for my own good.
 
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