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damian said:
With Wonder Woman’s success in movies, they had to pick from the current crop of Marvel women that was available at the time. They chose Captain Marvel and have been HEAVILY promoting her non-stop for years.
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It is really getting to the point where Marvel is saying, "Anything you can do, I can do better." (Granted, not that hard to do considering the state of the DCEU.) DC/WB releases Wonder Woman first with a woman directing it? Marvel has to do the same thing, then make 90% of the screenwriters and the composer female before they marinate it in "woke feminism." What Marvel fails to realize is that Black Panther succeeded in spite of the identity politics and not because of them.
 
Carol was also pushed because she was basically one of their only options- most of Marvel's big female characters are in groups like the X-Men or Spider-Man universes, and thus were off the table for the MCU until the Spider Man deal/the FOX buyout.

But God, I'd heard about how they make her look like a man but this was my first time seeing it. Do you think the artists secretly hate Carol and are making her look this hilarious to demean her?
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
I posted this link in the Bob Chipman thread, but I thought I would repost it here because I believe that it would be pertinent to the points made in the quote.

Brie Larson calls for more diverse voices in film criticism, not just 'white dudes'

This is troubling to me because it really does look like Marvel Studios is on the cusp on chugging down the SJW Flavor-Aid like a John Belushi wannabe at a frat party. Marvel is making a big deal about how "progressive" the film is because the main protagonist, one of the directors (Anna Boden), most of the screenwriters, and the composer (Pinar Toprak) are all women. That is all fine and dandy, I get the distinct feeling that Marvel is going to take a page from Lucasfilm and Sony in that they will use "misogyny" as a defence against any and all criticism and blame the "toxic" fanbase if it underperforms (a highly unlikely scenario.) They are effectively using women as human shields.

I find this quote from Larson herself rather portentous, " couldn't deny the fact that this movie is everything I care about, everything that's progressive and important and meaningful, and a symbol I wished I would've had growing up."

Like one could argue that Wonder Woman is an icon of second-wave feminism, I think Marvel is trying to position Carol Danvers as some sort of corporate-sponsored icon of third-wave feminism and identity politics. What's more, the studio is looking to push her to the forefront of MCU and effectively make her the flagship character moving into Phase 4 now that it looks like RDJ and Chris Evans are hanging up the armour and capes. Given that we have heard statements from Kevin Fiege that they want to bring in Kamala Khan, and there is a casting call for a gender non-confirming student in the Spider-Man: Homecoming sequel, I think Avengers 4 is likely the end MCU as we know it.
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The problem with making Captain Marvel their next centerpiece is that she's not all that well known. Everyone knows who Captain America and Iron Man are, but Mrs. Marvel is B level at best with a massive power set. The biggest problem they're going to have is if she upstages everyone in Avengers 4. People aren't going to like a character they may have never or barely heard of before being more impactful than the older ones.

And Khmila Khan as a movie is fucking stupid. She is literally identity politics: the character. Not to mention the treatment of Islam in the book is fucking progtard fairy land. It's an all around terrible choice for a movie.

This shit keeps fucking failing and they keep doing it and blaming audiences. I think Mrs. Marvel will be interesting since its a throwback, but fuck Khamila Khan. Unless it's an animated movie or something thay can safely be ignored.
 
damian said:
You’ve been missing out from the horrible crap I’ve had to swallow because of the no return policy of comixology. Here’s what I spent $4.99:
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Look how manly the drew Carol, who was once one of the most attractive women in comics. The middle img, where their heads are cut off by the panel, is by far the most masculine I’ve seen her drawn:
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Not to mention all the tropes D&C has coined are in the book:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MfPTr3N5RlQ
Marvel has always tried to make their women into Marvel’s Wonder Woman, just look at how many attempts they’ve made at Superman:
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With Wonder Woman’s success in movies, they had to pick from the current crop of Marvel women that was available at the time. They chose Captain Marvel and have been HEAVILY promoting her non-stop for years.
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My wife saw this book at 2nd & Charles recently, and could not believe that is was supposed to be a man. That it was once Ms. Marvel (a classic character design that she loved.)
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IAmNotAlpharius said:
That is why much of the left struggles online. Although there are conservatives who block people, progressives are more likely to. Consequently, conservatives are more likely to know about progressive talking points and how to dismantle them since they see them. Not knowing what others are saying also makes it easier to strawman which is ok with people 100% in the SJW camp. However, if anyone can see both sides or even if someone in the fringes of their camp takes a look at what the "others" are saying, they can realize the left is BSing. Consequently, normies and even center-leftists can be won over.

Then there is the whole purity cleanse thing. SJWs in particular are more likely to try to "cleanse" their friends or followers for disagreeing over petty issues. This increases animosity and also pushes people away. This is the opposite of what any rational being would want to do in a representative system.
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Yeah, this is something that the left, particularly far left Progressives and academics never ever realize about the right, as they refuse any contact and never bother to actually discover who or what their opponent is. By and large the Right lives for arguing. For debate. For a goid rousing discussion. The Right has no conformity internally so it tends to happily argue with themselves when there are no available leftists. This is why the left always assumes that the Right is a factored mess, just days away from flying apart in an international civil war. They never grasp that this is simply the natural and functioning state of their opponents, or that their opponents draw strength from their own actual internal diversity. Conformity is so baked into the left that they assume it is the same on the other side. They assume one random Christian Fundamentalist is somehow representative of all. Never grasping that the Christians and Libertarians happily coexist and thrive by arguing with each other constantly, while simply choosing to agree on a few core pillars. The Left and Right really are from different planets.

Jetpack Himmler said:
I posted this link in the Bob Chipman thread, but I thought I would repost it here because I believe that it would be pertinent to the points made in the quote.

Brie Larson calls for more diverse voices in film criticism, not just 'white dudes'

This is troubling to me because it really does look like Marvel Studios is on the cusp on chugging down the SJW Flavor-Aid like a John Belushi wannabe at a frat party. Marvel is making a big deal about how "progressive" the film is because the main protagonist, one of the directors (Anna Boden), most of the screenwriters, and the composer (Pinar Toprak) are all women. That is all fine and dandy, I get the distinct feeling that Marvel is going to take a page from Lucasfilm and Sony in that they will use "misogyny" as a defence against any and all criticism and blame the "toxic" fanbase if it underperforms (a highly unlikely scenario.) They are effectively using women as human shields.

I find this quote from Larson herself rather portentous, " couldn't deny the fact that this movie is everything I care about, everything that's progressive and important and meaningful, and a symbol I wished I would've had growing up."

Like one could argue that Wonder Woman is an icon of second-wave feminism, I think Marvel is trying to position Carol Danvers as some sort of corporate-sponsored icon of third-wave feminism and identity politics. What's more, the studio is looking to push her to the forefront of MCU and effectively make her the flagship character moving into Phase 4 now that it looks like RDJ and Chris Evans are hanging up the armour and capes. Given that we have heard statements from Kevin Fiege that they want to bring in Kamala Khan, and there is a casting call for a gender non-confirming student in the Spider-Man: Homecoming sequel, I think Avengers 4 is likely the end MCU as we know it.
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She wishes there was a character like Carol Danvers when was growing up... ummm? Carol Danvers was one of Marvels flagship characters going back to the 70’s. With a heavy merchandising push. She was far far better known than the original Captain Marvel (who most comic fans only noticed when he died.)

Secret Asshole said:
The problem with making Captain Marvel their next centerpiece is that she's not all that well known. Everyone knows who Captain America and Iron Man are, but Mrs. Marvel is B level at best with a massive power set. The biggest problem they're going to have is if she upstages everyone in Avengers 4. People aren't going to like a character they may have never or barely heard of before being more impactful than the older ones.

And Khmila Khan as a movie is fucking stupid. She is literally identity politics: the character. Not to mention the treatment of Islam in the book is fucking progtard fairy land. It's an all around terrible choice for a movie.

This shit keeps fucking failing and they keep doing it and blaming audiences. I think Mrs. Marvel will be interesting since its a throwback, but fuck Khamila Khan. Unless it's an animated movie or something thay can safely be ignored.
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The Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel could work in the movies if handled properly. By properly I mean nowhere near the Avengers. She would be a great mirror and contrast for a Spider-Man movie. But dear lord anything other than that would be awful. Trying to shoehorn her into Captain Marvel would look like an “Electro Woman and Dyna Girl” reboot. (Look it up, or ask your dad. It might be the most “Lesborific Saturday Morning Kids show ever aired.)
 
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It should be noted that Wonder Woman worked because it was self aware about what it was doing. Diana could deflect bullets with arms and throw grown men around like rag dolls because she was the daughter of fucking Zeus. It also was not a big smackdown on the male gender as her companions (all male) had their own agency and stories and the love interest was able to have agency all on his own and she did not try to stop him. Looking at YOU Rose Tico.

Wonder Woman may have had "woke" casting credentials but the story was not woke at all.
 
RodgerDodger said:
Yeah, this is something that the left, particularly far left Progressives and academics never ever realize about the right, as they refuse any contact and never bother to actually discover who or what their opponent is. By and large the Right lives for arguing. For debate. For a goid rousing discussion. The Right has no conformity internally so it tends to happily argue with themselves when there are no available leftists. This is why the left always assumes that the Right is a factored mess, just days away from flying apart in an international civil war. They never grasp that this is simply the natural and functioning state of their opponents, or that their opponents draw strength from their own actual internal diversity. Conformity is so baked into the left that they assume it is the same on the other side. They assume one random Christian Fundamentalist is somehow representative of all. Never grasping that the Christians and Libertarians happily coexist and thrive by arguing with each other constantly, while simply choosing to agree on a few core pillars. The Left and Right really are from different planets.



She wishes there was a character like Carol Danvers when was growing up... ummm? Carol Danvers was one of Marvels flagship characters going back to the 70’s. With a heavy merchandising push. She was far far better known than the original Captain Marvel (who most comic fans only noticed when he died.)



The Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel could work in the movies if handled properly. By properly I mean nowhere near the Avengers. She would be a great mirror and contrast for a Spider-Man movie. But dear lord anything other than that would be awful. Trying to shoehorn her into Captain Marvel would look like an “Electro Woman and Dyna Girl” reboot. (Look it up, or ask your dad. It might be the most “Lesborific Saturday Morning Kids show ever aired.)
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The whole Kamala Kahn plot is “look at this female Muslim super hero. Did we tell you she’s female and a Muslim??”

Not sure how that translates to a good movie unless they completely avoid the entire reason why Marvel created her, to pander to the social justice crowd.
 
Kamala Khan's vol. 1 of Ms. Marvel was fine. She was a small time, teenage home town hero from a working class family and her being muslim was fairly incidental. Marvel had finally managed to make a successful clone of Spider-Man's character (or at least how Marvel wants him to be).

But whereas Stan Lee / Marvel back then had the wisdom to keep Spider-Man a small time hero, off major teams, and largely delegate his crossovers to the mostly crappy and ignored Marvel Team-Up book, by the end of Ms. Marvel volume 1 they realized she was popular and so put her on a half dozen teams, made her best friends with every other major hero, and had her guest star in ten books each month thereby ruining the original appeal of the character.

iirc G. Willow Wilson even did a blog entry some time back about how crappy other writers were at replacing iconic heroes, how they tend to do the whole "this new character is so much better and more powerful than that old one!", and got flak for it by the usual blue checkmarks on Twitter.
 
I must be seeing cherry picked panels but to me it comes off as those are the two reasons why she was created and appears all over the place. Muh diversity.
 
Sissy Galvez said:
I must be seeing cherry picked panels but to me it comes off as those are the two reasons why she was created and appears all over the place. Muh diversity.
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I can only speak for her first volume, which started in 2014 back before identity politics had completely destroyed Marvel's comics. It wouldn't surprise me if they lean much more heavily on the muslim stuff now. I know I've heard that Mark Waid centered on in The Champions.
 
mindlessobserver said:
Wonder Woman may have had "woke" casting credentials but the story was not woke at all.
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The sad irony around Wonder Woman (and to a lesser extent Black Panther) is that all the wrong fucking lessons were learned. Wonder Woman succeeded precisely because it was fun and told a good story and didn't waste time pontificating about gender politics bullshit. The lesson SHOULD have been that audiences don't give a fuck what your character looks like (much less the demographic information about the cast and crew, like holy shit, most people don't even know/care who directed a movie they just watched) as long as he/she is involved in a cool story and does cool heroic things.

The lesson that ended up emerging was muh wamen, muh pee-oh-cees. Even when they get it right, they get it wrong. Fucking re,tarded.
 
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Peace and Harmony said:
The sad irony around Wonder Woman (and to a lesser extent Black Panther) is that all the wrong fucking lessons were learned. Wonder Woman succeeded precisely because it was fun and told a good story and didn't waste time pontificating about gender politics bullshit. The lesson SHOULD have been that audiences don't give a fuck what your character looks like (much less the demographic information about the cast and crew, like holy shit, most people don't even know/care who directed a movie they just watched) as long as he/she is involved in a cool story and does cool heroic things.

The lesson that ended up emerging was muh wamen, much pee-oh-cees. Even when they get it right, they get it wrong. Fucking re,tarded.
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So you're saying that we should stop having white male leads in any media or they'll all fail like Solo?
 
The Scott Campbell 2014 drawing is bringing out a bunch of new cows. They all have the same talking points, and by same I mean the EXACT same. It’s racist because it has 2 white men overpowering a native woman, it’s pedophilic because the ADULT looking woman is based on a child character and it’s silenced native women somehow and that “you need to listen”. The bring up that the Tiger Lily Girl is based on a 13 yo child that was raped and murdered but google comes up empty for the people that actually searched what they were talking about and when it’s pointed out to them they act as if it’s a grand conspiracy. Nevermind the fact that the girl (if she existed) died over 200 hundred years ago. You should probably check these threads:
https://twitter.com/boundingcomics/status/1007631469139890176 -keep checking this thread it hasn’t died down at all.
https://twitter.com/jscottcampbell/status/1007656603779133440
Some exceptional individuals:
https://twitter.com/HazelTade
https://twitter.com/NANxox2_WOKE
https://twitter.com/nondemure
https://twitter.com/itsjustjodie
https://twitter.com/moolissabarneyy

Some highlights:
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damian said:
The Scott Campbell 2014 drawing is bringing out a bunch of new cows. They all have the same talking points, and by same I mean the EXACT same. It’s racist because it has 2 white men overpowering a native woman, it’s pedophilic because the ADULT looking woman is based on a child character and it’s silenced native women somehow and that “you need to listen”. The bring up that the Tiger Lily Girl is based on a 13 yo child that was raped and murdered but google comes up empty for the people that actually searched what they were talking about and when it’s pointed out to them they act as if it’s a grand conspiracy. Nevermind the fact that the girl (if she existed) died over 200 hundred years ago. You should probably check these threads:
https://twitter.com/boundingcomics/status/1007631469139890176 -keep checking this thread it hasn’t died down at all.
https://twitter.com/jscottcampbell/status/1007656603779133440
Some exceptional individuals:
https://twitter.com/HazelTade
https://twitter.com/NANxox2_WOKE
https://twitter.com/nondemure
https://twitter.com/itsjustjodie
https://twitter.com/moolissabarneyy

Some highlights:
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"Native american women experience a high amount of violence and domestic abuse!"
The majority of native american women live on native american reserves, with other native americans.
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