#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[TiredAndInked]

@Miniluv

woof. That is horrible.

 

[Captain Manning]

He does a panel with flash every Friday and he said his copyright was censorship no matter if you like cug or not.

Okay, well, run that by two other lawyers with specialty in IP law, and get back to me.

Honestly though, it very well might be. We all know the DMCA is bullshit, and ripe for abuse.

TUG is gonna milk the shit out of this though. I'm sure that he was just two steps away from having Amber Herd thrown in Alcatraz. If only it weren't for that dastardly Susan Wojcicki silencing his phenomenal efforts to get to the truth!

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Okay, well, run that by two other lawyers with specialty in IP law, and get back to me.

Honestly though, it very well might be. We all know the DMCA is bullshit, and ripe for abuse.

TUG is gonna milk the shit out of this though. I'm sure that he was just two steps away from having Amber Herd thrown in Alcatraz. If only it weren't for that dastardly Susan Wojcicki silencing his phenomenal efforts to get to the truth!

Correction its Saturday where flash does his panel last with Nick and cug.

But yeah tug is gonna cry about this for the next few months and force people to care like he did with the self inflicted murder of his mailbox.

 

[Newman's Own]

Zack wants to make a statement that lasts for years and Narwhal's art is actually good, you guys.

Completely unsurpfrising. This is afterall the same snake oil shiller who ran down Mandy's Wart quite rightly before doing a 180 and having her on the show to promote it after finding out she had in her Twitter bio.

was the CG equivalent of pronouns in the bio until the Ministry of Truth let them all know that they were actually at war with Eurasia and always had been.

Now when I look back and see how much shitty work was actually being put out back in the day and how much is still being published, I realize almost anyone with a thimble of talent and determination can get their comics out there. You may not be the next David Finch, but you can get published easier than ever.

You aren't wrong. Drawing comics is a craft first and an art second. A person with a small amount of artistic talent can always find work if they put in the time and hard work to learn things like perspective, anatomy, line weight, sequential story telling (layouts), and the rest.

More talented artists can often get away without having honed all these skills if they excell at eye popping rendering and visuals but there will always be a place for work horses who know the nuts and bolts of making a readable comic. But they'll never make Jim Lee money.

I just noticed Narwhal did this pin-up for Grayskale and couldn't even be fucked to get the costume right. Jesus, dude. Michael Derrick paid him for this and he turned in this thing. And look at that lettering. Fuck.

it looks like his torso is facing the opposite direction of his hips and feet.

Looks like an old GI Joe figure whose been twisted half way around at the waist.

 

[Pilule Noire]

It seems like comparing Narwhal art to almost anything is stone cold comedy gold!

Let me try... how about the NarZack 'graphic novel' ...

...compared to Dan Fraga's unfilmed Neuromancer storyboards (yes, storyboards):

(More Fragaboards here: http://filmsketchr.blogspot.com/2011/11/are-these-heart-stopping-storyboards.html)

As for animation, well the worst-drawn animation I can think of is The Life And Times of Tim, but I would say that still has the edge over NarZack:

 

[FROG]

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I'd seen pro comic artists dissect guys' submissions brutally, even if it looked above average to the untrained eye. Once I saw Mark Bagley open a guy's portfolio and say "What the hell is this?". Ouch.

When I was younger I thought the barrier to entry in the comics industry was extremely high and that you had to be the cream of the crop to get your foot in the door. It was quite discouraging. Now when I look back and see how much shitty work was actually being put out back in the day and how much is still being published, I realize almost anyone with a thimble of talent and determination can get their comics out there. You may not be the next David Finch, but you can get published easier than ever.



Frog shit on Grayskale as not even worthy of being considered mid-tier work. Maybe he'd like it better if it was illustrated by the great Narwhal:

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There. Much better. That's good comic art.

EDIT: I just noticed Narwhal did this pin-up for Grayskale and couldn't even be fucked to get the costume right. Jesus, dude. Michael Derrick paid him for this and he turned in this thing. And look at that lettering. Fuck.

Holy shit, Narwhal's piece is light years better.

I think where we're disagreeing is at the fundamentals of storytelling.

Narwhals effortless dancing lines tell his story. I can't put it any simpler than that. He is an effective storyteller with a minimalist drawing style.

The other Greyscale artwork there tries will all of it's might and fails to convince you of anything. So does that Captain Marvel page. They don't tell the story.

If you examine Narwhal's pine needles individually, or even the trees, you'll miss the forest of what he's doing. But by all means, continue to dunk on him. It makes you look smart to people who don't understand comics.

 

[jspit2.0]

I think where we're disagreeing is at the fundamentals of storytelling.

Narwhals effortless dancing lines tell his story. I can't put it any simpler than that. He is an effective storyteller with a minimalist drawing style.

Hrm. When is Narwhal doing a Cyberfrog book Ethan?

The other Greyscale artwork there tries will all of it's might and fails to convince you of anything. So does that Captain Marvel page. They don't tell the story.

They both do. Whether they do so as effectively is debatable.

If you examine Narwhal's pine needles individually, or even the trees, you'll miss the forest of what he's doing. But by all means, continue to dunk on him. It makes you look smart to people who don't understand comics.

The condescending pro appears. Please. Tell us, the lowly comic book buyer what is and isn't good.

 

[Miniluv]

Holy shit, Narwhal's piece is light years better.

I think where we're disagreeing is at the fundamentals of storytelling.

Narwhals effortless dancing lines tell his story. I can't put it any simpler than that. He is an effective storyteller with a minimalist drawing style.

The other Greyscale artwork there tries will all of it's might and fails to convince you of anything. So does that Captain Marvel page. They don't tell the story.

If you examine Narwhal's pine needles individually, or even the trees, you'll miss the forest of what he's doing. But by all means, continue to dunk on him. It makes you look smart to people who don't understand comics.

I've already said I believed Narwhal displays a keen sense of motion and that is something many artists with much more experience have difficulty with. Kudos to him for nailing that aspect of the work. And I agree with your assessment that his stuff looks like keyframes of an animated story.

Having said that, it's ugly. The characters are ugly. The backgrounds are ugly. The colors are fucking ugly. There is nothing aesthetically pleasing about much of it outside of the aforementioned sense of motion that he puts into his work. It might work as an animated cartoon where everything is flowing at 24 fps or so and you don't get locked into studying the imperfections of a single frame, but comics aren't animation.

If he did layouts and let someone else do the labor of rendering, it might be a fucking knockout. Zack said Narwhal draws "very quickly" which doesn't really surprise me. I'm willing to concede that if he maybe took more time to put his shit together instead of doing it quickly and "effortlessly" it would get far less shit. His stuff looks like the skeleton of a potentially good looking book.

His stuff has to sell $25 comics and judging by the number of backers 499 has I'd say there aren't very many in the CG backer pool willing to part with $25 to see Narwhal's minimalist, effortless storytelling no matter how many dancing lines he puts in it. Foreign Agent couldn't get 800 backers despite being promoted on CAPS. This book can't seem to break 1300 backers and that's with Zack's name on it. Maybe the rest of the potential CG backers just don't understand comics.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Cg is a fucking joke letting shit like 499 fly but shit on sjws for 3 years about their art style. Ethan would you give gail simone or any other pro the same leeway if they produce shit like this? Or because Narwhal is licking the toad this is great work?

 

[Adamska]

I don't know what horseshit is being seen here, because I don't see motion or style in any of the fucking excerpts being showing in 499. It can't even get proportion that right either, despite that being a critique in other, conveniently not in with the group artists.

That it's being defended is why CG is dead and full of faggots.

 

[Analog Devolved]

I think TUG lost his channel.

We can only hope! Maybe fatty Matty will blackmail you with dick pics to get you to launch a crowdfund for him. Nobody except Ashley Lewis wants to see your hog Ethan, so fear not.

TUG had his channel struck leaving him unable to upload for a week. Being TUG, he's been howling bloody murder for hour after hour on his backup channels, YellowFlash's channel and everywhere about the conspiracy of the world elite like Elon Musk to silence him and his truth about Amber Heard.

Personally, I question the social value of allowing TUG to draw more of the elderly cat ladies with a Johnny Depp fixation that I see teeming in his comments and livestream chats into his world of grifting and paranoid delusions. These people clearly don't have a lot of money and what cash they do have would be better spent on lithium medication.

Matthew "TUG" Lewis literally sends his wife to cybersex with dudes so he can blackmail them with dick pics. His DSP level sperging and taking money from the mentally ill is par for the course.

Cg is a fucking joke letting shit like 499 fly but shit on sjws for 3 years about their art style. Ethan would you give gail simone or any other pro the same leeway if they produce shit like this? Or because Narwhal is licking the toad this is great work?

Narwhal is a joke. I almost drew a picture to show how bad he actually is and how fucking retarded YBZ is but I know Ethan will scour the internet trying to source my art style for criticizing the sacred lolcow Richard limpdick Meyer.

 

[Yosha]

I am sorry, but you dont have to be smart or "understand comics" to see that art is shit. And please dont talk about storytelling as Comicgayt hasnt produced a good story in 3 years. Its also time you start calling yourself "comicslate", cause if a person cant finish a 40 page comic in 2 years, thats just sad.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

This should have been a 5 buck proof-of-concept digital comic with maybe a $10-15 physical copy for the die hard Narwahl/Zack fans, and if it's an earth shattering artistic achievement that garners a following build on that later. Absolute dogshit art can work (YMMV) if everything else is 10/10 (and we can talk about linework and motion, but I'd like to see anyone defend the color palette. "Cold War Era Paranoia meets '80s Slasher Flicks" doesn't exactly evoke acid trips in my mind). Asking $25 for this when something like Cyberfrog (and it's billion little unlocked extras) is $25 too is absurd.

 

[Absurdity]

Narzack? This is pure AIDS.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

ComicsGate can't even get their art looking right. Are we sure they are not the bad guys here?

 

[Unverified]

Alright, I'll go to bat for Narwhal for a bit. I've spoken at length about shitty books I've received from CG (and I've received A LOT of them). I do not consider Narwhal's books to be among them. In fact, I consider his books to be some of the best I've received. He legitimately understands storytelling, which most writers in CG don't. Now, that being said, I will not begrudge anyone their criticism of his art style. But that's just what I see it as: a style. One that complements his stories. I won't go on too much about that, as I completely understand not liking it. And maybe that really is the best he can do rather than being a strictly stylistic choice. However, his books are truly engaging. I've read through both of them multiple times, where your average CG book can barely hold my interest for a single read. I don't think he's a genius or anything as some people claim, but he definitely has a better understanding of how to craft a story than 99% of CG (not a high bar, I know).

One thing he absolutely excels at is capturing mood and tone. While his art may not be for everyone, his faces are very expressive to the point where you know exactly what emotion they're trying to convey. And there's a distinct humanity in the way he writes his characters. Sorry, I'm not a very good critic and I can't fully explain what fascinates me so much about his work, but it is really is well done if you can deal with the art style. I personally like it. Though I will say that the coloring on 499 looks like shit. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume there is a plot or storytelling reason for that. The coloring in Earthbound is solid and works perfectly with his art.

I'll reiterate that I understand the comments about his art. I am much more critical of writing than I am of artwork in comics, though. So take this all with a pile of salt, I suppose.

Proof of purchase:

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Am I crazy or did early on Zack talk about only planning on being in "comics" for like 5 years? I feel like that was something he said before but that was back when he only had Jawbreakers and maybe Iron Sights in the pipeline.

I remember that too. It was definitely around that time, he said he was gonna do comics for a few years then quit.

omicgayt hasnt produced a good story in 3 years.

Bro Asyl JUST came out a few months ago. What you mean CG hasn't produced a good story in 3 years?

 

[Pilule Noire]

Narzack? This is pure AIDS.

One thing I have to add, out of pity for Frog more than anything, is that he's not the only one spouting dubious pretentious bullshit about Narzack.

The -Zack suffix has been effusively praised for its 'incredibly fertile mind' by none other than Chuck Dixon recently.

And [shock reveal] the Nar- prefix has been effusively praised by none other than [dun dun DUNNN] the Evil Doug TenNapel!

That's right, even after leaving and violently shitting all over CG, ol' Doug still had a warm place in his heart for Narwhal, who he pretty much praised as a genius.

So NARZACK is endorsed not just by idiot Frog, by also by the creators of Bane and Earthworm Jim.

Narzack is for real! LOL maybe Narzack is the future of CG.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

@NasserRabadi13 stop being a frog dicksucker trying to put disagree on my post about frog glossing over tug's cuckolding history. What does frog has on you?

 

[NasserRabadi13]

What does frog has on you?

Nothing. I just like Frog.