#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Yosha]

I think TUG lost his channel.

Nothing of value was lost.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

Nothing of value was lost.

Well it looks like his channel is still there.

 

[jspit2.0]

YBZ has consistently praised some rougher-looking indie comics. Recently, he was raving about a comicbook by that guy who liked to fuck trannies and called out Mags and co a while ago, and the art looked as rough as 499. I mean, the dude loves Rob Liefeld, the fact he even likes good art is a miracle...
Hell, even in every Squirell Girl video he made, he was saying "Erica Henderson is talented and can draw but she phones it in".

Plus, if 499 does not sell well, he won't blame the consumers as nazis who do not like his vision, but will try to find a way to make more comics he likes and break even like a businessman. Or just take the hint that this shit won't sell.
Which was the point of his videos since 2017.

As with other -gates people are just adding stuff they want to see to what is being said.
The Captain Marvel page is still an abomination.

Yes, I would never back 499, it is a waste of paper. Would probably read a webcomic version of it though, because it looks like someone who can draw did make an intentionally crude webcomic and it deserves to be mocked for it.
And I can't see why he is not making more Jawbreakers books. Or, maybe, I can see why he doesn't and this is what makes most of his criticisms feel so wrong. He made a career out of mocking underpaid creators who phone in stories they do not care about and know that nobody would read so they could indulge themselves, yet he cannot be arsed to make more stories for a comicbook people are excited about because: "they are not good enough".
And then, he repeats every mistake those SJWs made all those years, because, in the end, it is not about political leanings but it isabout creators believing their bad ideas can make it.

EVS is a 27 years veteran, he can sell shit because he knows that some shit he comes up with will not sell at all.


Alright, first thing you learn in combat is: "do not take the fucking punch. Take it, and you will have zero experience. Because you die"

That's a bit of a ramble. Make all the excuses you want. If your bar is not being called a Nazi when you speak the truth, its too low.

I think TUG lost his channel.

Any reason?

Well it looks like his channel is still there.
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Fine!

TUG's channel remains...for now.

It looks like Matt is trying to make his national inquirer obsession with Amber Heard into Weeb Wars 2.0.

He posted on twitter that he was struck. Then he posted a 58 minute video rambling about it.

He cried that this is the third time he's been struck in a 'short' amount of time. TUG continues to sob that his birthday just recently happened!

At the 26 minute mark, he actually shows his strike emails. He finally admits this only is a one strike against him. (come on guys, just two more!).

 

[Crescent Fresh]

I'm starting to think Zack is going to retire from comics or just let others work on his books soon.

He already is, at this point.

He’s only the “idea guy” on 499 and Impossible Stars.

R&RN, he did some script work on, however Chuck still has first billing.

Expendables has nothing to do with him outside of project management and a variant cover, not counting fulfillment which we all know he’s incredibly fucking up.

The only things that he’s actually fully written recently are Pandemic and No, which got… quite mixed results, and 2/3rds of Grand Bizarre, which has a backup story not by him.

 

[Greed]

I'm never going to pay money to see another Disney/Marvel product.

This is the third time in a month I've heard someone say they're never spending money on a Disney product again. Personally I was at that point years ago, but it seems the sentiment is getting more common. At what point will this start to cut into their profits/cultural foothold? It seems like they might finally be reaching that vague tipping point where they're alienating more people than they're attracting.
And there's not much to counteract it. You don't exactly see people going "you know what, I think I'll become a lifelong Disney fan today."

indie comic you'd find on a men's room floor in Tijuana

This slugline might be more alluring if anyone had a clue what type of comics are known to be found on the floor of a Tijuana restroom.
Do Mexicans read indie comics while they shit in a public restroom? Do they just leave the comic on the floor afterwards? Is this a common enough occurrence for people to relate to it?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

I think TUG lost his channel.

Good.

 

[X Pac Heat]

He already is, at this point.

He’s only the “idea guy” on 499 and Impossible Stars.

R&RN, he did some script work on, however Chuck still has first billing.

Expendables has nothing to do with him outside of project management and a variant cover, not counting fulfillment which we all know he’s incredibly fucking up.

The only things that he’s actually fully written recently are Pandemic and No, which got… quite mixed results, and 2/3rds of Grand Bizarre, which has a backup story not by him.

Am I crazy or did early on Zack talk about only planning on being in "comics" for like 5 years? I feel like that was something he said before but that was back when he only had Jawbreakers and maybe Iron Sights in the pipeline.

 

[GranDuke]

I’ve been asking that ever since he cucked out to Mark Waid.

If Zack continues on this road then years later people will probably say that Waid was right in trying to cancel him. Wrong reasons and all that, but at some point we probably will have to ask if Zack is just stupid or is he scamming his remaining followers.

In general Zack's "story" is rather fascinating. When problems with Waid started he was in perfect position, it did look like he could make an impact and change the game a bit. Yet since then he probably did every single thing wrong.

 

[TiredAndInked]

@jspit2.0

TUG is the definition of someone with a lot of videos and nothing to say.

 

[Mister Dongs]

TUG had his channel struck leaving him unable to upload for a week. Being TUG, he's been howling bloody murder for hour after hour on his backup channels, YellowFlash's channel and everywhere about the conspiracy of the world elite like Elon Musk to silence him and his truth about Amber Heard.

Personally, I question the social value of allowing TUG to draw more of the elderly cat ladies with a Johnny Depp fixation that I see teeming in his comments and livestream chats into his world of grifting and paranoid delusions. These people clearly don't have a lot of money and what cash they do have would be better spent on lithium medication.

 

[jspit2.0]

This slugline might be more alluring if anyone had a clue what type of comics are known to be found on the floor of a Tijuana restroom.
Do Mexicans read indie comics while they shit in a public restroom? Do they just leave the comic on the floor afterwards? Is this a common enough occurrence for people to relate to it?

Richard was most likely referring to the 'Tijuana Bible' style comics from the 30s. trashy pornographic renditions of popular newspaper characters on a wallet sized strip.

If Zack continues on this road then years later people will probably say that Waid was right in trying to cancel him. Wrong reasons and all that, but at some point we probably will have to ask if Zack is just stupid or is he scamming his remaining followers.

In general Zack's "story" is rather fascinating. When problems with Waid started he was in perfect position, it did look like he could make an impact and change the game a bit. Yet since then he probably did every single thing wrong.

I won't go that far.

I will say he's allot like most 'artists' who I'd describe as a genus of fake geek girl. Keyfabe does this too. "Oi, I love the 90s. Rob Liefeld is awesome." Okay. So what kinda comics are you going to make?

Youngblood 1 versus Iron Sights

Jim Lee's Wildcats versus Ed Piskor's Deadliest Girl

These aren't remotely inspired by the '90s. These are Vertigo books.

Richard went wrong at Iron Sights. He failed to follow up on his momentum to his first book, instead creating a Vertigo book fans didn't want. He went from 400,000 dollars to 100,000 with massive negative blowback.

Then when he shed two thousand backers and lost half his profits on GODKing, instead of focusing on his cash cow that fans liked, he did Iron Sights 2. A massive dip in support, half from GODKing.

Finally, Expendables and Pandemic, he got back to Jawbreakers. This time he held most of his audience from GODKing, but with a slight dip in dollars.

In June, Jawbreakers will have gone a year without content. This series is what makes him money (Averaging at 200,000+ grand with 4,000+ backers across three campaigns). His other campaigns have struggled to hit six figures, outside of Expendables.. Rightfully so.

He has a joint project with Malin and Ethan fans are desperate to see and that both artists are eager to do. He has a franchise that worked. But, instead of focusing on one Jawbreaker book, minimum a year with stuff like this

He wants to screw around like a hyperactive manchild, releasing half finished thoughts that are even more esoteric and outside of the box.

 

[Miniluv]

Jim Lee's Wildcats versus Ed Piskor's Deadliest Girl

Wrong Kayfaber. That's Jim Rugg's Street Angel.

Last night's CAPS stream was spent dunking on Liam's Boy Island treehouse adventure. After a couple of hours, Frog shifted the conversation to Zack's 499 campaign and it was pretty much what he said in this thread. Zack wants to make a statement that lasts for years and Narwhal's art is actually good, you guys.

The panel giggling at the art and Bancroft asking if Narwhal is the "Yoko Ono of comics" are significant tells as to what these CG creators think. My favorite part is when Frog asks Malin what he thinks and after stammering for a second he says "I like the way he draws" and then he blurts out that he can't stand the color palette.

Honestly, guys, if you have to try to convince people that the art is good, it's probably not. Comics are visual. If the art doesn't engage you and make you want to spend money, then it's not good. Narwhal's stuff may be "good" for an experimental artsy thing you might give a shot for $3.99 if you happened to see it and were curious about it and it was a slow week at the shop, but this ain't something a lot of people would chuck $25 at. It's ugly. It's not rendered well. The linework is crap. Seeing pro artists try to convince us that this is good is insulting.

What would they say if Narwhal submitted his work to them for review at a con?
"Oh wow, this is great. I like the way you make human ears look like a formless blob and half the characters look like they have missing chromosomes. Perfect for a medium built on visually appealing characters. They look like melting tards but also living, moving tards. Here's my card."

 

[Captain Manning]

I think TUG lost his channel.

Sadly, no. Susan just forced him to stand in the corner for awhile.

If he did lose his channel, absolutely nothing of value would be lost. His "wife" is back in the dick pic grifting game (he's literally a cuck, if you didn't already know), and he does so much Amber Herd "content" that even TMZ would tell him to shut the fuck up. It's been speculated the two are related, because his videos haven't been doing so hot.

Reminder that TUG has thread in the WW subforum:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/that-umbrella-guy-tug-matthew-lewis.59081/page-258

 

[TiredAndInked]

@Miniluv

I don’t want to show my power level here, I’m not in the comics art community, but another art community and if someone came to the shop with this, he’d be told no and get out.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

His "wife" is back in the dick pic grifting game (he's literally a cuck, if you didn't already know)

Sssh, frog has double standards so he's just going to gloss over that.

 

[No dignity]

Honestly, guys, if you have to try to convince people that the art is good, it's probably not. Comics are visual. If the art doesn't engage you and make you want to spend money, then it's not good. Narwhal's stuff may be "good" for an experimental artsy thing you might give a shot for $3.99 if you happened to see it and were curious about it and it was a slow week at the shop, but this ain't something a lot of people would chuck $25 at. It's ugly. It's not rendered well. The linework is crap. Seeing pro artists try to convince us that this is good is insulting.

I don’t want to show my power level here, I’m not in the comics art community, but another art community and if someone came to the shop with this, he’d be told no and get out.

What do you mean? Are you telling me artwork of this caliber isn't just oozing with the author's talent? It's literally visual poetry man.

I think this is the peak of work from any comic artist that I've ever seen. This isn't just work that's being propped up by the big names surrounding it, absolutely not. Let me remind you of the garbo shit discussed a few weeks ago that any tried and true CG follower rightfully said was awful. There's a clear difference in talent here, wouldn't you say?

 

[TiredAndInked]

What do you mean? Are you telling me artwork of this caliber isn't just oozing with the author's talent? It's literally visual poetry man.

In my Opinion. It’s got the same visual poetry as the dude who likes to scream mein Kampf downtown. It’s glaringly bad, ill formed and only real success is getting attention.

Only reason I mean I could be wrong, if there are different gauges of successful art in the comic book world to what I’m in, I could be mistaken.

 

[Miniluv]

@Miniluv

I don’t want to show my power level here, I’m not in the comics art community, but another art community and if someone came to the shop with this, he’d be told no and get out.

Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I'd seen pro comic artists dissect guys' submissions brutally, even if it looked above average to the untrained eye. Once I saw Mark Bagley open a guy's portfolio and say "What the hell is this?". Ouch.

When I was younger I thought the barrier to entry in the comics industry was extremely high and that you had to be the cream of the crop to get your foot in the door. It was quite discouraging. Now when I look back and see how much shitty work was actually being put out back in the day and how much is still being published, I realize almost anyone with a thimble of talent and determination can get their comics out there. You may not be the next David Finch, but you can get published easier than ever.

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I think this is the peak of work from any comic artist that I've ever seen. This isn't just work that's being propped up by the big names surrounding it, absolutely not. Let me remind you of the garbo shit discussed a few weeks ago that any tried and true CG follower rightfully said was awful. There's a clear difference in talent here, wouldn't you say?
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Frog shit on Grayskale as not even worthy of being considered mid-tier work. Maybe he'd like it better if it was illustrated by the great Narwhal:

There. Much better. That's good comic art.

EDIT: I just noticed Narwhal did this pin-up for Grayskale and couldn't even be fucked to get the costume right. Jesus, dude. Michael Derrick paid him for this and he turned in this thing. And look at that lettering. Fuck.

 

[Captain Manning]

Sssh, frog has double standards so he's just going to gloss over that.

I dunno. Many of you follow FROG a hell of a lot more than I do.

I just think it's unlikely a coincidence Trashley resurfaces when TUG is in an insufferable Amber Herd loop and apparently pissing off Youtube. TUG ain't thrilling anybody, including his fat ugly cheating bitch wife.

Some people say they heard the news from Rekieta. I don't watch Rekieta anymore. Is he still buddy-buddy with TUG?

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Is he still buddy-buddy with TUG?

He does a panel with flash every Friday and he said his copyright was censorship no matter if you like cug or not.