#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

So Nerdrotic did a livestream and talked about the drama, and he claims that Jessi was told to leave the private room, not the bar and that she "disrespected his wife".
He also talks about the Tom incident, and FROG's zeroes incident so it should have been obvious they were getting kicked out.
Also the weirdo that drops $600 every week on FNT has bought himself a seat at the table on Gary's side, uh.

Livestream was made "members only" but I managed to grab some audio (couldn't figure out how to upload directly because it's 6am and I'm a moron, sorry).

https://sndup.net/8wdr

Imagine having $600 to drop on superchats every week and giving it to a 50-year-old man instead of nubile young e-thot. Disgusting.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Livestream was made "members only"

And these are the same people pissing and moaning about SJW private Facebook groups?

Edit:

Imagine having $600 to drop on superchats every week and giving it to a 50-year-old man instead of nubile young e-thot. Disgusting.

Now I have a mental image of Nerdrotic in a wading pool writing the guy's name on his chest in magic marker. Thanks, I think.

 

[jspit2.0]

There is a Fandom Menace thread but the OP is a complete mess with no sign of the thread creator coming back to fix his shit any time soon. I don't really have the requisite knowledge on the Fandom Menace to make my own and I'm not inclined to pay the $20 to buy Lodonis' TFM history on Kindle.

There's a few things going on, like Micah Curtis' discord getting leaked by @TheCosmicWarrior and @TESTEFY-HD, and the current topic-of-the-day on Comicsgate stream circuit is a number of the SJW gatekeeper comic pros like Chip Zdarsky and Nick Spencer moving on to greener pastures as Substack. If anyone has any thoughts they'd like to add on those subjects, feel free.

I mean, it's not an argument over events from two years ago or a slap fight with a CG figure of interest that drags over pages. But this stream featured Shane Davis and Ethan. Half the panel was CG.

Moreover, CG and the FM are tied at the fucking hip. Most of the prominent CG figures started or crossed over into the FM and vice versa.

The High Council, the show covered, was started by D&C, Ethan, and Jeff.

Dickie boy quickly ran off because Livestreams mean actual interaction with plebs.

Still, Cecil first appeared on the HC. It's where Anna became exposed to CG figures.

Pretending to care about Star Wars was allot of what built Ethan's channel.

Normally I'd say point made. Except we're talking YouTubers who do nothing but sperg about capeshit or space opera or muh '90s comic books while chasing after the same pool of paypiggies. Not exactly a random collection of normies.

Edit: Upon reflection...

Spoiler: powerlevel

Though, yeah, I am kind of an asshole. Don't exactly embrace the description, but must admit that at times my behavior can be characterized as such. Probably part of the reason I can't seem to give up KF, it gives an outlet to that part of my nature not really available many other places.

Not to sound like a faggot, but there are degrees of asshole. Sometimes people need a little asshole

Pussy Jeremy needed an asshole like Ethan on stream with Zach Snyder.

 

[SargonF00t]

Jessi Milestone's livestream here was 20 minutes late (having evidently reconsidered the merits of drama streaming) and instead consisted of herself and Jeff in bed in their hovel as they talked to two nobodies about eating pizza, other food they at one point have eaten, the personal histories of the nobodies and their medical ailments, and so on like a newly minted Rosetta Allen. Milestone's transformation from Fandom Menace to "fandom reject" is truly amazing to watch in real time.

However all was not gloom and doom in the slovenly Milestone household..

08/17/2021 - WORLD CLASS BULLSHITTERS - STAR WARS VISIONS| JOHNNY DEPP SPEAKS| UPDATE THAT MIGHT UPSET YOU| LIVE WITH ARTIST SHANE DAVIS!

A bit of unmentioned context was that this annual gathering was referred to as the "Fandom Menace Meetup" in 2019 and 2020 and only last month was renamed the "FNT/G+G Meetup" after both Jeremy and Gary announced their abandonment of the hashtag; the WSBS couple felt this wasn't going to be a barrier to them interacting with their mutually shared fanbase.

Jeff and Jessi perhaps understandably feel dejected and alienated after being expelled from a convention while their peers and "community" stood silent and did nothing before the whims of the griftlords, like so much Zack Snyder. But they are not alone. Frog sends over his best and brightest Shane Davis to let them know that they have friends in these trying times, that they do have support they can count on. Jeff opens by saying that he will get to the "altercation in Vegas" later, but he would like to express his disappointment in the lack of respect and professionalism shown to him and Jessi at the party. An incredible display of rudeness, pettiness and small-mindedness on Gary's part. But before the WCBS people get into that, first their regular Star Wars and clickbait programming.

First: does new guest Shane Davis even like Star Wars? Shane vaguely answers "I've always been drawn into the bounty hunter aspect of Star Wars" (?) and (paraphrasing) that he liked the space western aspects like Boba Fett, but not so much the actual story. Dutifully trying to go through with this interview on a Star Wars-fandom show anyway, Jeff asks about if Shane thinks Star Wars has the coolest villains like Batman but instead Shane answers by way of talking about how he thought the prequel concept art books were the best material out on the market at the time. The Starlight Cats creator's appreciation of Star Wars only extends to the craft and process that went into realizing it as a creative professional and not much beyond that: some of the aliens and vehicles were "cool looking" in Shane's estimation while the Jedi are visually boring and monotonous. Shane suspects Lucas was trying to do an "asian thing" with the Jedi but doesn't really go into it more than that.

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It's not even nine minutes in and Frog in full regalia joins to mercifully pull this show out of the ditch it has careened itself into. Making an executive decision to abort the in-depth interview with Shane Davis on Star Wars, Frog immediately begins stoking excitement about this new, Japanese, visually inspired take on Star Wars and unloads all the bells and whistles, declaring this the dawn of a new age of heterosexuality in the LucasFilm franchise. Jeff and Jessi roll out the red carpet for the Frog lord, for reasons that I hope at this point are obvious.

After having pulled the focus away from Shane Davis to the "Star Wars Visions" trailer, Frog pulls a 180 by saying he is also not interested in consooming the latest Star War content from LucasFilm - Like Zack Snyder, these people clearly hate their audience, hate Frog personally and he does not see the reason of patronizing them with a second of his time. So instead the topic is "what is the best way to dispose of a body" and fun facts about the fine state of New Jersey as the audience files in. Jeff desperately tries to efap another Star Wars outrage youtuber, but Frog can't even put himself through watching it and instead asking what Matt Jarbo is up to these days.

At half an hour, enough people have assembled that Frog decides that the altercation in Vegas can now finally be addressed. Jessi says her video captured everything there was to say on the issue, but the video is replayed while Frog asks for context on behalf of concerned observers:

As Jessi tells the story, for the past 2 years various Star Wars complaining youtubers have been gathering at a pair of afterparties at a bar during the annual Star Trek convention in Vegas, one on Thursday, one on Saturday. After the coof restrictions have been taken down, Jessi felt it would be a great chance for the gang to get together once again. Jeff points out that their presence was very welcome by nearly everyone, including the owner of the establishment and he was pressed by fans to start autographing their copies of Stealing Solo.​

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Frog pushes for additional context. Shane presumably is drawing off-screen, silently grateful at not having to talk anymore.

Jessi evasively explains she's given all the context she can - Gary 'Nerdrotic' Buchler's actions are simply not comprehensible to a normal person. She emphasizes that after a completely non-eventful appearance on Thursday, on Saturday she was confronted by Gary's wife welcomed them by screaming "Gary told me to tell you to get the fuck out" and pointed at the door, emphasizing that this was the edict of the griftlord himself and not just his spouse being a raging crazy bitch of her own accord, something that no doubt is a real and regular occurrence in Jessi's world.​

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Here the relating of events gets discombobulated, but what can be inferred is that Jessi did not leave and instead met aggression in kind, leading to Nerdrotic's wife running to her husband for backup. The Griftlord in the flesh shrieking that the reason they are not welcome at this Star Trek convention afterparty is that the two of them are "shitstirrers". He then marched off to order Jeff Hicks (who was signing autographs) to leave, the ogrish mulatto standing there passively while the small, elderly substance abusing bugman from San Francisco tried to physically remove the Shrek-resembling comic book bungler. Jeff sanguinely dismisses the escalation since "a little guy like [Gary]'s not going to bother me", while Jessi takes on the demeanor of a particularly angry chihuahua. Personally if I was in Gary's frail shoes, I'd be more worried about getting physically demolished by a large and temperamental Jessi Milestone in front of all my fans.

Jeff Hicks interjects to raise a fairly interesting point, which is that he gave ample notice that he would be attending the meetup ahead of time, like this now unlisted stream The Pre-Vegas-Meet Up Show (feat. Anna TSWG and Many More!), but contacted by no one saying he wasn't welcome. Everyone was polite and friendly to him on the initial meetup on Thursday - only on the very last day were these objections suddenly brought up. Jeff Hicks brings up a TFM/CG meetup in Chicago where not everyone liked each other but agreed to get along, even those two creepy ass twins that were hanging around Frog. Frog clarifies those were the Diaz brothers and then steers the show back to the debriefing. Jeff concludes by saying he calmly gave Gary his goodbyes (forever) and left.​

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Frog asks what everyone else did: Jeremy Griggs was apparently present ushering away onlookers and trying to cover things up, as Jeremy does. Jessi hypothesizes that Gary's motive here was insecurity, that he perceived WCBS as a threat to his 'brand', but also that he just dislikes her "for some reason, he just does".

Frog offers his own interpretation of events - that there have been multiple divides in the communty and that it's undergoing a steady phase of disintegration: First there was the Zack Snyder schism, then the MechaRandom vs Tom Connors feud, then Ryan Kinel denouncing Doomcock as his fans as a grifter and his retards, and the latest being Frog's spat with Az/HeelsVsBabyface. Jessi sided with MechaRandom and Merry Mayhem against Tom Connors, Gary Buchler consigliere and found herself persona non grata in Gary's books as a result. Jessi agrees that a divide exists.

Encouraged, Frog continues to elaborate, explaining at 57:30 that when Jessi got together when the other Fandom Menace bitches to "try and cancel Tom", Nerdrotic took umbrage to this. Jessi receives this... less well and Frog starts to immediately backpedal. She demands Frog repeat what he said, and after having obliged her, demanding an explanation how it was "cancelling" someone. Frog obfuscates with just a hint of nervousness in his voice, opting to focus on MechaRandom's week of explosions. Jessi accepts the out and pauses to read superchats and field questions from Shane Davis. Frog declares himself behind the couple 100% and renders his verdict - that this was a meetup for the Anti-SJW community and not a personal party.

Verdict delivered, the next two hours were followed by Johnny Depp news, idle small talk and Frog playing his piano and can be skipped.



CONCLUSION

So who's to say who truly owns this Vegas pubcrawl, the fandom and community or the people that went to the trouble of organizing it? I think this photograph posted by Jessi Milestone herself illustrates the issue:

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Jessi may genuinely believe that she is participating in a fandom community and perhaps the previous get-togethers in Vegas were just that. But the organizers themselves have not-so-subtly shifted their stance on this over the years, now carefully watermarking even photos of the participants as an extension of their jealously guarded personal brands. In many ways it's simply what has going on within the Fandom Menace for some time now, except expressed physically.

Okay, I am going to be the one to say what everyone must be thinking.

How good would it be to have a threesome with Darth Barbie and That Star Wars Girl?

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Patreon is still sending me emails demanding me to remove YouTube streams and are now threatening to suspend my account because Micah reported me to them. I'll sue the fuck out of them if they wanna go harass me off their site.

 

[SargonF00t]

Patreon is still sending me emails demanding me to remove YouTube streams and are now threatening to suspend my account because Micah reported me to them. I'll sue the fuck out of them if they wanna go harass me off their site.

Can you get your Patreon paypigs to switch over to Subscribe Star or Locals?

 

[Spectre_06]

@TheCosmicWarrior has been suspended from twitter.

Oh no...!

So anyways...

 

[Mister Dongs]

I mean, it's not an argument over events from two years ago or a slap fight with a CG figure of interest that drags over pages. But this stream featured Shane Davis and Ethan. Half the panel was CG.

Moreover, CG and the FM are tied at the fucking hip. Most of the prominent CG figures started or crossed over into the FM and vice versa.

The High Council, the show covered, was started by D&C, Ethan, and Jeff

I suppose I could have brought up the new Kickstarter outreach officer Jamila Rowser blockbotting most of Comicsgate like it was 2017, since that's doing the rounds on CG streams as well as fodder for a fresh round of anti-Kickstarter rhetoric supporting boycott. For some reason though I thought covering the impending tardfight between the FNT grifters, inheritors of the dead Fandom Menace movement versus Comicsgate would be more interesting.

Right now Frog is launching Wraith of God (not a typo, I promise), the debut project by CG newcomer/30 year industry veteran Aaron Lopresti. There's a showing of cameraderie among similar former mainstream comic professionals like Art Thibert, Andy Smith, Dan Fraga, Graham Nolan, Billy Tucci and uh, Shane Davis' wife. Wraith of God joins other CG comics Bonds: The Drive, War Party, Viking Wolf, Magic Cop, Sovereign Wolf, Magna: The Last Pantheon and Alisa Dark: Werewolves and Bampots, as a werewolf action thriller. For whatever reason, Comicsgate's fascination with werewolf-related material is seemingly limitless.

Richard C. Meyer took some time out of his busy day of mowing his lawn and "seeking inner peace" to sperg at this screencap of Ron Marz retweeting a quote of Heidi McDonald relating comic book shop owner/semi-official industry statistician Brian Hibbs saying 2020 was one of the strongest years for comics ever according to data received from BookScan. In a bit of synchronicity that I did not know, Brian Hibbs was actually the person who bought Nerdrotic's mythical comic book shop he owned once. Meyer describes Hibbs as "basically the comic book guy from the simpsons" and everything he writes "is like ten thousand words" and takes forever to get the point, all those words Hibbs writes relating to the comic book industry makey Simple Zack brain hurty. Please keep your findings in bite-sized tweet form for Richie.

Brian Hibbs says the BookScan numbers paint a positive picture, but if that's so why is the direct market doing so bad? Proof the direct market is bad - Brian Hibbs shut down his second comic book shop because his employees quit and he couldn't train new ones. That makes no sense in a growing market, therefore the logical conclusion is that Brian Hibbs is a liar, peddling propaganda for no other reason then to gaslight the haters.

1. BookScan tracks all book sales in the United States except the direct market aka Diamond distribution sales figures (the two are combined to compile the annual Comichron reports). The stats Hibbs posted are irrelevant concerning the health of a local comic book shop, a detail Hibbs mentions in his report that was too long for Meyer to read.
2. Brian Hibbs suffered a major heart attack in March 2020. Might this have effected his decision on choosing to shut down a secondary comic shop instead of retraining a full staff? No. The only reason he could have shut it down was because of declining sales.

Was this all part of an elaborate attempt to gaslight comic book industry followers regarding the state of the industry? Who knows.

 

[EGB]

I suppose I could have brought up the new Kickstarter outreach officer Jamila Rowser blockbotting most of Comicsgate like it was 2017, since that's doing the rounds on CG streams as well as fodder for a fresh round of anti-Kickstarter rhetoric supporting boycott. For some reason though I thought covering the impending tardfight between the FNT grifters, inheritors of the dead Fandom Menace movement versus Comicsgate would be more interesting.

Right now Frog is launching Wraith of God (not a typo, I promise), the debut project by CG newcomer/30 year industry veteran Aaron Lopresti. There's a showing of cameraderie among similar former mainstream comic professionals like Art Thibert, Andy Smith, Dan Fraga, Graham Nolan, Billy Tucci and uh, Shane Davis' wife. Wraith of God joins other CG comics Bonds: The Drive, War Party, Viking Wolf, Magic Cop, Sovereign Wolf, Magna: The Last Pantheon and Alisa Dark: Werewolves and Bampots, as a werewolf action thriller. For whatever reason, Comicsgate's fascination with werewolf-related material is seemingly limitless.

Richard C. Meyer took some time out of his busy day of mowing his lawn and "seeking inner peace" to sperg at this screencap of Ron Marz retweeting a quote of Heidi McDonald relating comic book shop owner/semi-official industry statistician Brian Hibbs saying 2020 was one of the strongest years for comics ever according to data received from BookScan. In a bit of synchronicity that I did not know, Brian Hibbs was actually the person who bought Nerdrotic's mythical comic book shop he owned once. Meyer describes Hibbs as "basically the comic book guy from the simpsons" and everything he writes "is like ten thousand words" and takes forever to get the point, all those words Hibbs writes relating to the comic book industry makey Simple Zack brain hurty. Please keep your findings in bite-sized tweet form for Richie.

Brian Hibbs says the BookScan numbers paint a positive picture, but if that's so why is the direct market doing so bad? Proof the direct market is bad - Brian Hibbs shut down his second comic book shop because his employees quit and he couldn't train new ones. That makes no sense in a growing market, therefore the logical conclusion is that Brian Hibbs is a liar, peddling propaganda for no other reason then to gaslight the haters.

1. BookScan tracks all book sales in the United States except the direct market aka Diamond distribution sales figures (the two are combined to compile the annual Comichron reports). The stats Hibbs posted are irrelevant concerning the health of a local comic book shop, a detail Hibbs mentions in his report that was too long for Meyer to read.
2. Brian Hibbs suffered a major heart attack in March 2020. Might this have effected his decision on choosing to shut down a secondary comic shop instead of retraining a full staff? No. The only reason he could have shut it down was because of declining sales.

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Was this all part of an elaborate attempt to gaslight comic book industry followers regarding the state of the industry? Who knows.

Nuanace and diligence is lost on that audience. Comicsgate is a public service in that concentrates the mentally deficient.

 

[Rupin]

Nuanace and diligence is lost on that audience. Comicsgate is a public service in that concentrates the mentally deficient.

how do you feel about Aaron Lopresti launching his book through Ethan’s channel and making 25,000 in three hours? Do you think that he would have done that through the audience that your side has cultivated? With CG Aaron is well on his way to getting a 100k book outside of CG through Mike’s Platform and other people in that circle Aaron is lucky if he hits 30k.


Say what you will about the CG audience, but at least they support their creators.

 

[NSA]

how do you feel about Aaron Lopresti launching his book through Ethan’s channel and making 25,000 in three hours? Do you think that he would have done that through the audience that your side has cultivated? With CG Aaron is well on his way to getting a 100k book outside of CG through Mike’s Platform and other people in that circle Aaron is lucky if he hits 30k.


Say what you will about the CG audience, but at least they support their creators.

The paypiggies always deliver, even if the comics don't.

 

[EGB]

how do you feel about Aaron Lopresti launching his book through Ethan’s channel and making 25,000 in three hours? Do you think that he would have done that through the audience that your side has cultivated? With CG Aaron is well on his way to getting a 100k book outside of CG through Mike’s Platform and other people in that circle Aaron is lucky if he hits 30k.


Say what you will about the CG audience, but at least they support their creators.

I don't have a "side".

Miller is my friend - but if you'd bother to do some diligence, you would know that dropping some snark in here is about the extent of my involvement in CG or indie-comics in general.

Indiegogo is objectively a poor value proposition for readers, but so is spending 5+ hours in livestreams.

There some idea that people are obsessing over this - periodically I'll check the numbers - because I'm a numbers geeks - spending more than even an hour or so a week on it is a poor value proposition.

I was listening to about 15 minutes of Well Read User's show but throw away comments there seem to trigger the CG zealots - so I've retired from that. CG is triggered every time the wind blows they don't need my input.

Good for @FROG for shilling Lopresti it's probably one of the better books that will be shown on that platform this year.

CG and anti-CG are both largely irrational time sucks except for the 6 people or so in CG who have montetized it effectively.

 

[FROG]

how do you feel about Aaron Lopresti launching his book through Ethan’s channel and making 25,000 in three hours? Do you think that he would have done that through the audience that your side has cultivated? With CG Aaron is well on his way to getting a 100k book outside of CG through Mike’s Platform and other people in that circle Aaron is lucky if he hits 30k.


Say what you will about the CG audience, but at least they support their creators.

Aaron Lopresti is taking a beating from His Peers today. I saw Mark Brooks, a particularly dizzy and spiteful SJW, running him through the ringer for launching his campaign with ComicsGate.

Lopresti has been on my channel a few times. I think he used to hang out with Smiller last year. SJW pros are acting like this is news?

It'll be interesting to see how he handles the pressure. His book looks great. I predict that it'll land at 6 figures after some hard work, like Graham Nolan's Alien Alamo will, along with SNOWMAN and CREED.

 

[Rupin]

Aaron Lopresti is taking a beating from His Peers today. I saw Mark Brooks, a particularly dizzy and spiteful SJW, running him through the ringer for launching his campaign with ComicsGate.

Lopresti has been on my channel a few times. I think he used to hang out with Smiller last year. SJW pros are acting like this is news?

It'll be interesting to see how he handles the pressure. His book looks great.

he still does hang with Smiller and was on Smiller‘s last few DnQ’s. That’s why I asked @EGB what he thought about Aaron coming on your channel showcasing his new book.

And you are right, Aaron’s book does look great. I’m probably gonna back later on today. I can definitely see the book hitting six figures.

 

[EGB]

he still does hang with Smiller and was on Smiller‘s last few DnQ’s. That’s why I asked @EGB what he thought about Aaron coming on your channel showcasing his new book.

And you are right, Aaron’s book does look great. I’m probably gonna back later on today. I can definitely see the book hitting six figures.

Aaron has always been cordial to me - I'm not going to begrudge him taking money from spergs, otherwise they would just waste it on frog boxes and reprints.

 

[FROG]

he still does hang with Smiller and was on Smiller‘s last few DnQ’s. That’s why I asked @EGB what he thought about Aaron coming on your channel showcasing his new book.

And you are right, Aaron’s book does look great. I’m probably gonna back later on today. I can definitely see the book hitting six figures.

Most of the divisive forces in CG are gone. There aren't really warring camps any more.

There's a really nice sense of cooperation right now.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Most of the divisive forces in CG are gone. There aren't really warring camps any more.

Are any voices from the CG movement who were around when you arrived still voices in the CG movement?

 

[FROG]

Are any voices from the CG movement who were around when you arrived still voices in the CG movement?

Nope!

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Nope!

 

[Mister Dongs]

I remember Loprestri trying to sell Garbage Man on Smiller's streams and feeling depressed.

Aaron Lopresti is taking a beating from His Peers today

Mrs. Lopresti vs Renfamous is fun to watch. I suppose every would-be Comicsgate creator should go through the angry culture warrior baptism.