#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Mister Dongs]

Only after the first Avengers movie did they slow down on mining the Ultimate Universe for ideas. They also mined the 616 universe but to say they 'wholesale rejected' the Ultimates universe is just objectively wrong.

Right, so at movie five of 25 (so far), not counting the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor or Captain America movies (which used little to nothing from the Ultimate line reimaginings) they stopped bearing even superficial similarities to the "movie comic line". With good reason mind you, - why didn't Joss Whedon mine the following for example?

Ultron (Earth-1610)

Ultron was a robot designed to be an expendable super soldier by Dr. Henry Pym, along with a partner robot called Vision II. When Pym had allied himself with the foreign superhuman force known as the Liberators, he used hundreds of Ultron robots as a peace-keeping force in the invaded New York...

marvel.fandom.com

History​

Ultron was a robot designed to be an expendable super soldier by Dr. Henry Pym, along with a partner robot called Vision II. When Pym had allied himself with the foreign superhuman force known as the Liberators, he used hundreds of Ultron robots as a peace-keeping force in the invaded New York City. Soon, claiming to be a double agent, Pym ordered his Ultron units to turn on the Liberators. Following his commands, the Ultrons began attacking every Liberator soldiers in sight.

The Ultrons soon served as butlers to the Ultimates. However, one Ultron developed self-awareness and grew infatuated with Scarlet Witch, Wanda Lensherr. After realizing that Wanda was incestuously attracted to her brother, Quicksilver, Ultron killed her with a bullet specified directly to her DNA. Ultron then adopted the identity of Yellowjacket and used the Ultimates' DNA to create a series of android duplicates, so that he could seem like a hero to a recreation of Wanda. Ultron and his Ultimates then traveled to the Savage Land to fight against Magneto but were destroyed by the real Ultimates. Ultron had his head ripped off by Henry Pym, which, in turn, deactivated its android duplicates.

Once the Ultimates had departed from the Savage Land, it was revealed that Ultron was controlled by Doctor Doom.

Yeesh. Again, the MCU movies borrowed overwhelmingly from the original Marvel canon first, spun their own material from wholecloth second, and took from the "movie treatment" Ultimates line a distant third.

That said, I am capable of admitting error.

D&V Investigations video here

For example, I said that there was no milk or entertainment potential in crypto discussion a few pages back, and for that I must say I was wrong.
Mike S Miller had a 'toga party' launch stream yesterday for his line of freshly minted NFTs, a line of cartoon monkeys JPEGs clearly intended to evoke the 'Evolved Apes' NFTs that made news last week when the owner of the project, "Evil Monkey", suddenly disappeared with 2.7 million worth of crypto earmarked for creating the online fighting game that the monkey NFTs were going to represent. It was with this proud precedent in mind that Smiller opened his store for 300 of his own "Funky Monkey" NFTs, set at a modest 0.1 ETH (~$350) each.

Unfortunately, there was some sort of error at the NFT store and Mike's doodles, instead of being sold at 0.1 ETH, were being offered for 0.00001 ETH a piece ($0.35 each).. Smiller's audience - a group known for respecting him as much he respects them - reacted to this surprise occurrence of grifto reverseo by buying all of Mike's monkey NFTs immediately. And as always in crypto: no refunds. Smiller, preacher of the crypto gospel, upon receiving a $9/$10 dollar payout from a projected $90,000 payday from the NFT sale, does not seem particularly enthused. His pain is clearly real, perhaps even as real as my pain admitting to Newman's that I was wrong about the entertainment potential of discussing Mike's crypto schemes.

The former CG community reacted to this development by putting their differences aside and coming together to rally behind the Lonestar creator in his time of need, as shown by this tweet by Doug Ernst telling Mike he can go fuck himself.

https://twitter.com/douglasernst/status/1447771462199246850

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Right, so at movie five of 25 (so far), not counting the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor or Captain America movies (which used little to nothing from the Ultimate line reimaginings) they stopped bearing even superficial similarities to the "movie comic line". With good reason mind you, - why didn't Joss Whedon mine the following for example?

Ultron (Earth-1610)

Ultron was a robot designed to be an expendable super soldier by Dr. Henry Pym, along with a partner robot called Vision II. When Pym had allied himself with the foreign superhuman force known as the Liberators, he used hundreds of Ultron robots as a peace-keeping force in the invaded New York...

marvel.fandom.com

Yeesh. Again, the MCU movies borrowed overwhelmingly from the original Marvel canon first, spun their own material from wholecloth second, and took from the "movie treatment" Ultimates line a distant third.

That said, I am capable of admitting error.

D&V Investigations video here

For example, I said that there was no milk or entertainment potential in crypto discussion a few pages back, and for that I must say I was wrong.
Mike S Miller had a 'toga party' launch stream yesterday for his line of freshly minted NFTs, a line of cartoon monkeys JPEGs clearly intended to evoke the 'Evolved Apes' NFTs that made news last week when the owner of the project, "Evil Monkey", suddenly disappeared with 2.7 million worth of crypto earmarked for creating the online fighting game that the monkey NFTs were going to represent. It was with this proud precedent in mind that Smiller opened his store for 300 of his own "Funky Monkey" NFTs, set at a modest 0.1 ETH (~$350) each.

Unfortunately, there was some sort of error at the NFT store and Mike's doodles, instead of being sold at 0.1 ETH, were being offered for 0.00001 ETH a piece ($0.35 each).. Smiller's audience - a group known for respecting him as much he respects them - reacted to this surprise occurrence of grifto reverseo by buying all of Mike's monkey NFTs immediately. And as always in crypto: no refunds. Smiller, preacher of the crypto gospel, upon receiving a $9/$10 dollar payout from a projected $90,000 payday from the NFT sale, does not seem particularly enthused. His pain is clearly real, perhaps even as real as my pain admitting to Newman's that I was wrong about the entertainment potential of discussing Mike's crypto schemes.

The former CG community reacted to this development by putting their differences aside and coming together to rally behind the Lonestar creator in his time of need, as shown by this tweet by Doug Ernst telling Mike he can go fuck himself.

https://twitter.com/douglasernst/status/1447771462199246850

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It seems Miller has forgotten math lessons and they've gone and bit him in the ass.

 

[Rupin]

Right, so at movie five of 25 (so far), not counting the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor or Captain America movies (which used little to nothing from the Ultimate line reimaginings) they stopped bearing even superficial similarities to the "movie comic line". With good reason mind you, - why didn't Joss Whedon mine the following for example?

Ultron (Earth-1610)

Ultron was a robot designed to be an expendable super soldier by Dr. Henry Pym, along with a partner robot called Vision II. When Pym had allied himself with the foreign superhuman force known as the Liberators, he used hundreds of Ultron robots as a peace-keeping force in the invaded New York...

marvel.fandom.com

Yeesh. Again, the MCU movies borrowed overwhelmingly from the original Marvel canon first, spun their own material from wholecloth second, and took from the "movie treatment" Ultimates line a distant third.

That said, I am capable of admitting error.

D&V Investigations video here

For example, I said that there was no milk or entertainment potential in crypto discussion a few pages back, and for that I must say I was wrong.
Mike S Miller had a 'toga party' launch stream yesterday for his line of freshly minted NFTs, a line of cartoon monkeys JPEGs clearly intended to evoke the 'Evolved Apes' NFTs that made news last week when the owner of the project, "Evil Monkey", suddenly disappeared with 2.7 million worth of crypto earmarked for creating the online fighting game that the monkey NFTs were going to represent. It was with this proud precedent in mind that Smiller opened his store for 300 of his own "Funky Monkey" NFTs, set at a modest 0.1 ETH (~$350) each.

Unfortunately, there was some sort of error at the NFT store and Mike's doodles, instead of being sold at 0.1 ETH, were being offered for 0.00001 ETH a piece ($0.35 each).. Smiller's audience - a group known for respecting him as much he respects them - reacted to this surprise occurrence of grifto reverseo by buying all of Mike's monkey NFTs immediately. And as always in crypto: no refunds. Smiller, preacher of the crypto gospel, upon receiving a $9/$10 dollar payout from a projected $90,000 payday from the NFT sale, does not seem particularly enthused. His pain is clearly real, perhaps even as real as my pain admitting to Newman's that I was wrong about the entertainment potential of discussing Mike's crypto schemes.

The former CG community reacted to this development by putting their differences aside and coming together to rally behind the Lonestar creator in his time of need, as shown by this tweet by Doug Ernst telling Mike he can go fuck himself.

https://twitter.com/douglasernst/status/1447771462199246850

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Poor Mike Mike… he’s always getting the ass end of the deal. I was actually rooting for him this time.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

It seems Miller has forgotten math lessons and they've gone and bit him in the ass.

And he doesn't understand that you're supposed to wash-trade your own NFT's up a bunch of times to inflate the price and create a false sense of demand before pumping them out to the suckers. With his supposed large crypto holding it would've been easy to drive them up into the several thousands.

He would've lost a ton on this since it costs a bunch to create an NFT.

Decimal points, how do they work?

 

[A nameless trool]

The moment it starts:

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

The moment it starts:

I can't stop laughing at this. That guy is just a born loser when it comes to finances. Wasn't he supposed to be the CG crypto guru? At least this is a great cautionary tale for the schemers-and-scammers about to jump on the NFT sham.

From the bit I watched it seems his own dev people told him to hold off because there was a problem and he released it anyway. Now he has to pay all those people too.

 

[Newman's Own]

Right, so at movie five of 25 (so far), not counting the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor or Captain America movies (which used little to nothing from the Ultimate line reimaginings) they stopped bearing even superficial similarities to the "movie comic line". With good reason mind you, - why didn't Joss Whedon mine the following for example?

No one said the MCU is a direct lift of the Ultimate Marvel line detail for detail. I just said it wasn't "rejected wholesale".

It wasn't. Moving the goal posts isn't going to change that. We're all wrong sometimes. Calm down.

That said, I am capable of admitting error.

You're also capable of stubbornly defending a nonsense position. Marvel used plenty of ideas from the Ultimate Universe and didn't 'reject it wholesale'. The fact they didn't use Ultimate Ultron is irrelevant. Get over it.

Edit:
I was not getting what was driving this NFT thing until I read this article.

Why Bored Ape Avatars Are Taking Over Twitter

N.F.T. clubs are all the rage among cryptocurrency enthusiasts. Are they a get-rich-quick scheme or the future of culture?

www.newyorker.com

Now it makes a little more sense. (It's still weird and retarded) It appears the people spending big money on NFTs are crypto spergs with money to burn who are buying into a "club" of sorts when they buy an NFT avatar (avatars are basically randomly generated from a series of attributes the artist creates). The idea is that if your series of characters catches on with the crypto crowd owning an avatar from your "club" or brand is access and a status symbol like a Rolex or a Lamborghini, only crypto nerd style. The rarest Rolex's can be worth more and the NFTs with rarest "attributes" can shoot up in value for the same reason.

It's a grift in the same way charging $8,000 for a Rolex that costs $300 to make is a grift. Selling the prestige of owning something rare that is only rare because the producer choses to keep it rare is the game. Rolex could make millions (instead of thousands) of watches for $300 and sell them for $450-$600 and make similar money at the end of the day but then they wouldn't have the same prestige to sell gold watches that cost 5k to make for 25-35K.

I can't say I'm gonna hate on people for cashing in selling cheap shit to rich people for thousands of percent in mark up by playing into their status seeking and elitist attitudes.

Mike leaving his first $90,000 on the table by fucking up a decimal place is funny though.

 

[Strix454]

Now it makes a little more sense. (It's still weird and retarded) It appears the people spending big money on NFTs are crypto spergs with money to burn who are buying into a "club" of sorts when they buy an NFT avatar (avatars are basically randomly generated from a series of attributes the artist creates). The idea is that if your series of characters catches on with the crypto crowd owning an avatar from your "club" or brand is access and a status symbol like a Rolex or a Lamborghini, only crypto nerd style. The rarest Rolex's can be worth more and the NFTs with rarest "attributes" can shoot up in value for the same reason.

There are other forms of NFTs being sold, but avatar NFTs have quickly become very popular. In some sense, they follow the same logical lunacy of Crypto investment. Setting up an avatar pool isn't much different than setting up another cryptocurrency. The avatar pool becomes a form of currency whose value is set by speculative demand and scarcity. Its no more stupid to buy an NFT than it is to buy a newly minted cryptocurrency created by some nobody and hyped by a bunch of crooks. Whats the difference between creating a pool of 500 crypto avatars people can invest in or creating a pool of 3000 crypto "coins" people can invest in? NONE. The crypto avatar is just as worthless and valueless as a dodgecoin or a bubblecoin.

The unique attribute of NFTs to the crypto spergs is that they have become kind of like crypto gold chains. They are a way to carry around and publically flaunt your personal crypto wealth in front of other people. They are exactly like Rolex watches, expensive jewelry or expensive clothes. The brilliance of the idea is turning cryptocurrency into visible wealth. Its brilliant in a way. But also total lunacy.

Personalities, musicians, sports stars and celebrities need to jump into this. If people will pay that kind of money for avatars, what kind of money would they spend to have exclusive NFT avatars of celebrities and people in sports. Its taking what Nike has done with shoes to a whole other level. Its the perfect product in that you can literally charge fans money for nothing.

 

[Miniluv]

Over on Sargon's "Podcast of the Lotus Eaters" they had a discussion about the new gay Superman and the state of Western comics in general, including Kelly Sue DeConnick's framing of Captain America as "literally" an SJW, as well as a bit about Comicsgate and @TheCosmicWarrior being banned from Worldcon a few years ago and his "history of trolling and harrassing". The hosts regard JDA as "absolutely based" and also a "chad".

 

[Newman's Own]

Personalities, musicians, sports stars and celebrities need to jump into this. If people will pay that kind of money for avatars, what kind of money would they spend to have exclusive NFT avatars of celebrities and people in sports. Its taking what Nike has done with shoes to a whole other level. Its the perfect product in that you can literally charge fans money for nothing.

I feel about as sorry for the people being "grifted" by this scheme as I do for the people being grifted by Rolex, Louis Vuitton or Yeezy for that matter.

Fools who spend the money seem very happy with their purchases.

 

[Brother Maynard]

I can't stop laughing at this. That guy is just a born loser when it comes to finances. Wasn't he supposed to be the CG crypto guru? At least this is a great cautionary tale for the schemers-and-scammers about to jump on the NFT sham.

From the bit I watched it seems his own dev people told him to hold off because there was a problem and he released it anyway. Now he has to pay all those people too.

In an update, seems Smiller has sold out of 750 of these monkey pictures at .1ETH each. If my math is correct, $262,500.

Do with that information what you will.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

In an update, seems Smiller has sold out of 750 of these monkey pictures at .1ETH each. If my math is correct, $262,500.

Do with that information what you will.

Your math is incorrect. The amount per NFT was 0.00001 ETH

 

[Mister Dongs]

In an update, seems Smiller has sold out of 750 of these monkey pictures at .1ETH each. If my math is correct, $262,500.

Do with that information what you will.

Following Smiller's finances is like a non-stop rollercoaster ride. God bless him.

 

[Rupin]

Good win for Smiller! He is also talking about staking this NFTs where they can earn cryptocurrency the longer you hold them. That will make his NFTs sell out extra quick, provided that his dev team doesn‘t fuck that up too.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Your math is incorrect. The amount per NFT was 0.00001 ETH

No, that's your IQ.

 

[Stupendus]

I watched Smiller brag about how he is the ONLY one that knows what an NFT is and this is a ground breaking new thing that everyone should get on the ground floor of....
Digital token items have been around for years, such as WWE TOPPS DIGITAL SLAM cards... basically the same thing as an NFT because they do have 1/1 color variants and such.
I never got into the digital market because the reality is you don't really own ANYTHING. Digital movie collectors found out that fact early last year when VUDU wiped their collections clean off their accounts and shut down.
NFT's are really just grifting off the digital trading card market that was established a few years ago.
A new year... A new GRIFT.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I watched Smiller brag about how he is the ONLY one that knows what an NFT is and this is a ground breaking new thing that everyone should get on the ground floor of....
Digital token items have been around for years, such as WWE TOPPS DIGITAL SLAM cards... basically the same thing as an NFT because they do have 1/1 color variants and such.
I never got into the digital market because the reality is you don't really own ANYTHING. Digital movie collectors found out that fact early last year when VUDU wiped their collections clean off their accounts and shut down.
NFT's are really just grifting off the digital trading card market that was established a few years ago.
A new year... A new GRIFT.

Yeah, I remember in 2012 when I was big into collecting sports cards they had digital cards. I never bought any because it seemed stupid to me.

 

[jspit2.0]

If memory serves the Orson Scott Card origin of Tony Stark was swept under the rug and never spoken of again in the Ultimates line. However, the philandering hard drinking asshole Tony of the Millar Ultimates arcs was the closest comics version of Stark to the MCU incarnation. I said they lifted the character, not the origin.

Card's origin got retconned by Millar, who wrote that it was a cartoon show.

Right, so at movie five of 25 (so far), not counting the Iron Man, Hulk, Thor or Captain America movies (which used little to nothing from the Ultimate line reimaginings) they stopped bearing even superficial similarities to the "movie comic line". With good reason mind you, - why didn't Joss Whedon mine the following for example?

Ultron (Earth-1610)

Ultron was a robot designed to be an expendable super soldier by Dr. Henry Pym, along with a partner robot called Vision II. When Pym had allied himself with the foreign superhuman force known as the Liberators, he used hundreds of Ultron robots as a peace-keeping force in the invaded New York...

marvel.fandom.com

Yeesh. Again, the MCU movies borrowed overwhelmingly from the original Marvel canon first, spun their own material from wholecloth second, and took from the "movie treatment" Ultimates line a distant third.

That said, I am capable of admitting error.

D&V Investigations video here

For example, I said that there was no milk or entertainment potential in crypto discussion a few pages back, and for that I must say I was wrong.
Mike S Miller had a 'toga party' launch stream yesterday for his line of freshly minted NFTs, a line of cartoon monkeys JPEGs clearly intended to evoke the 'Evolved Apes' NFTs that made news last week when the owner of the project, "Evil Monkey", suddenly disappeared with 2.7 million worth of crypto earmarked for creating the online fighting game that the monkey NFTs were going to represent. It was with this proud precedent in mind that Smiller opened his store for 300 of his own "Funky Monkey" NFTs, set at a modest 0.1 ETH (~$350) each.

Unfortunately, there was some sort of error at the NFT store and Mike's doodles, instead of being sold at 0.1 ETH, were being offered for 0.00001 ETH a piece ($0.35 each).. Smiller's audience - a group known for respecting him as much he respects them - reacted to this surprise occurrence of grifto reverseo by buying all of Mike's monkey NFTs immediately. And as always in crypto: no refunds. Smiller, preacher of the crypto gospel, upon receiving a $9/$10 dollar payout from a projected $90,000 payday from the NFT sale, does not seem particularly enthused. His pain is clearly real, perhaps even as real as my pain admitting to Newman's that I was wrong about the entertainment potential of discussing Mike's crypto schemes.

The former CG community reacted to this development by putting their differences aside and coming together to rally behind the Lonestar creator in his time of need, as shown by this tweet by Doug Ernst telling Mike he can go fuck himself.

https://twitter.com/douglasernst/status/1447771462199246850

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All of this over some internet gas. How about just selling comics consistently?

I watched Smiller brag about how he is the ONLY one that knows what an NFT is and this is a ground breaking new thing that everyone should get on the ground floor of....
Digital token items have been around for years, such as WWE TOPPS DIGITAL SLAM cards... basically the same thing as an NFT because they do have 1/1 color variants and such.
I never got into the digital market because the reality is you don't really own ANYTHING. Digital movie collectors found out that fact early last year when VUDU wiped their collections clean off their accounts and shut down.
NFT's are really just grifting off the digital trading card market that was established a few years ago.
A new year... A new GRIFT.

Your missing the part where he was an ass apparently that made them deviate from the norm to write him a new contract.

Following Smiller's finances is like a non-stop rollercoaster ride. God bless him.

Watch him lose it shorting Amazon.

 

[Greed]

I think Smiller is more interested in being known as an NFT/crypto guy than he is in actually being one. I suspect he talks about this stuff far more than he actually engages in it. Just a hunch.

 

[Least Concern]

I watched Smiller brag about how he is the ONLY one that knows what an NFT is and this is a ground breaking new thing that everyone should get on the ground floor of....
Digital token items have been around for years, such as WWE TOPPS DIGITAL SLAM cards... basically the same thing as an NFT because they do have 1/1 color variants and such.
I never got into the digital market because the reality is you don't really own ANYTHING. Digital movie collectors found out that fact early last year when VUDU wiped their collections clean off their accounts and shut down.
NFT's are really just grifting off the digital trading card market that was established a few years ago.
A new year... A new GRIFT.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how NFTs work. A key point is that the network which stores the ownership information is decentralized and also used by (in this case) the popular Etherium cryptocurrency, so no single entity can shut it down; the information will be accessible for as long as at least one computer storing the Etherium blockchain exists.