#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Taylor Esposito lost a job lettering 'The Ferryman' due to his shenanigans
http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/...-after-personal-attack-against-jon-del-arroz/

DnC talks a little about this deleted tweet from Brendan McCarthy. McCarthy apparently did storyboard for Mad Max Fury Road movie, I hope some salt comes from this as people love creaming their pants about Fury Road.
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Salt that DnC has made 1/2 million in 2 indigogo campaigns
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Self awareness = 0
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Awful pitch
Look at the quality YOU could be paying for
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Shouldn't her hot take on mulattoes be considered racist?
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It's pretty much bullshit. Just Gail Simone stirring shit to raise her profile and browbeat people into hiring her.

Just some Guy did a piece on "fridging" a while ago.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=X7FjIRWfgoY

Gail Simone is pretty much the gold standard for fridging.
Take Gail created character Scandal Savage. A strong lesbian primarily motivated by the death of her mother, later motivated by the death of her lover and later by the spousal abuse of her new lover.
Pretty much the bulk of her birds of prey or secret six runs were violence/death of women being used as a spur to drive her characters.
She even did a story arch about Amazon's in white slavery.
 
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Gail Simone is pretty much the gold standard for fridging.
Take Gail created character Scandal Savage. A strong lesbian primarily motivated by the death of her mother, later motivated by the death of her lover and later by the spousal abuse of her new lover.
Pretty much the bulk of her birds of prey or secret six runs were violence/death of women being used as a spur to drive her characters.
She even did a story arch about Amazon's in white slavery.
"Rules for thee, not for me"
 
Fridging is just one variant of the cliche "mentor or loved one dies to set the hero on their quest" thing that's almost as old as storytelling. It doesn't matter if you kill aunt May or uncle Ben, Spider-Man wouldn't have the same impact without the results of his irresponsible behvior being close to home.

I could see an argument about wanting every other story to kill off supporting cast being silly and filling your narative with dead ends. Focusing solely on female characters misses the issue you're trying to address. Not to mention modern stories have a very different tone from the early 90s amd death is mostly reserved for whatever old characters they want replaced.
 
Fridging is just one variant of the cliche "mentor or loved one dies to set the hero on their quest" thing that's almost as old as storytelling. It doesn't matter if you kill aunt May or uncle Ben, Spider-Man wouldn't have the same impact without the results of his irresponsible behvior being close to home.

I could see an argument about wanting every other story to kill off supporting cast being silly and filling your narative with dead ends. Focusing solely on female characters misses the issue you're trying to address. Not to mention modern stories have a very different tone from the early 90s amd death is mostly reserved for whatever old characters they want replaced.
It's almost like all those people who ree about fridging, racism, sexism, representation etc are only doing it to turn around and go 'well, I can write women/POCs/LGBTs however I want because I'm one and not a CIS white male"..
 
It's almost like all those people who ree about fridging, racism, sexism, representation etc are only doing it to turn around and go 'well, I can write women/POCs/LGBTs however I want because I'm one and not a CIS white male"..

I remember Gail being upset that other writers portrayed LGBT characters as sexual deviants and outsiders who exist in a constant state of DTF.....thank god her LGBTPQA++ new 52 secret six reboot didn't fall into that trap
 
I remember coming across one of Shaenon Garrity's earlier webcomics, "Narbonic" which despite not having much in the way of, uh, quality still managed to receive much in the way of cheering from various reviewers back from 2000 to '06. It was about a laboratory for mad scientists run by a lady mad scientist but, as someone somewhere put it
"The first strip has a Quake joke, the current one has a Livejournal one. I think we're done here." plus from what I remember quite a few hack jokes in the vein of "More like 'MicroSQUASH WinBLOWS, am I right people?!?" She seemed to have a bad case of the Zanies, which means that weird zany shit happened for the sake of being weird and zany. And of course there was the wacky out-there sidekick. All the weird zany comics need a sidekick.
 
Capn Cummings confronted B Clay Moore in person for the money he owes him:
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If game/comics/film journalists see toxic fans everywhere, why does it never occur to them that they're responsible for influencing them? You can't be a thought leader and not responsible for other people's bad behavior who read your articles. Also if "the problem with video games is gamers" why isn't "the problem of game journalism is game journalists" by the same logic? (this goes for other media as well). If I hear that something has "toxic fans" without being familiar with it, the safest assumption I can come up with is that the creators of that media (which influences the fans) must have been some awful people. Either you're an intellectual superior who is responsible for attracting immature followers, or you aren't. And to think comics is what popularized "With great power comes great responsibility".
 
It's almost like "REEEE REEEEE KILL WHITEY" isn't a profitable position to take.
 
If game/comics/film journalists see toxic fans everywhere, why does it never occur to them that they're responsible for influencing them? You can't be a thought leader and not responsible for other people's bad behavior who read your articles. Also if "the problem with video games is gamers" why isn't "the problem of game journalism is game journalists" by the same logic? (this goes for other media as well). If I hear that something has "toxic fans" without being familiar with it, the safest assumption I can come up with is that the creators of that media (which influences the fans) must have been some awful people. Either you're an intellectual superior who is responsible for attracting immature followers, or you aren't. And to think comics is what popularized "With great power comes great responsibility".
That phrase is always misquoted even in official material. "With great power there must also come great responsibility" which is slightly different but it's kinda important as it makes it more clear power and responsibility aren't hand-in-hand. The misqoute makes it seem like power gives you responsibility instead of responsible behavior being a trait you need to pick up or else you get fucked.

Maybe splitting hairs but eh.
 
Tony Isabella (creator of Black Lightning and the Electric Negro trope), went on a rant saying his customers are Muh Nazis, Bigots MySoggyKnees,etc...):
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Like Zack has mentioned before, SJWs always announce when the conversation is over:
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Btw the actual responses that I saw were mostly asspats from his followers.
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The favorite part of this spergout had to be this:
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A comicsgater warning him about his dumbass doxxing himself:
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:story:, you probably should’ve listened to that sperg:
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https://tonyisabella.blogspot.com
https://twitter.com/thetonyisabella
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I'm just wondering why companies who diversity-hire aren't seeing the irony. If I were to start an entertainment company, I would be checking people's twitters constantly before they were allowed through the door as a test of character. It's like entertainment companies want their employees to be as hateful as possible to make sure they have the most obedient fans.

I'm not saying it is a Grand Conspiracy but...

it is a Grand Conspiracy.

This is something the far left has been wildly successful in accomplishing, even if it has been disastrous at the ballot box.

This massive push from progressive institutions and large corporations with 'diversity' and 'representation'. There is almost no effective countering force. The right has been utterly unable to come up with an effective narrative to combat 'diversity' and 'representation'.

Who wants to argue against diversity and representation. Right?

But what it means is that when these policies get pushed down from the top reality hits them hard:

* Underqualified people end up getting hired
* Qualified people get screwed
* Almost no one wants to read the crap these diversity hires put out
* Thus the need to hijack wildly popular franchises and characters

Along with the massive push from the top, the left has successfully turned social media and online news into a massive ideological enforcement tool where blockbots and other types of echochamber creation tools ensure that anyone who dares to step just a slight amount out of the ideological party line.

What that means is you end up getting these toxic and vile wackos coming in as diversity hires and start spewing their garbage because they are drunk with the captive audience they now have with the realization that anything and everything they do will be portrayed as them being 'victims' and anyone calling them out as 'harassers' or 'alt-right' etc in social media and online news.

This is my main criticism of DnC. These battles with these toxic filth nutcases are nothing but symptoms of a massive societal push from the highest levels. Taking these wackos out accomplishes nothing. They will just be replaced with new versions of whom they replaced.

The real fight is at the top where all of this garbage is coming from.

The Right has been too long hoping their 'free speech' and 'meritocracy' talk would sway the general public. While being quite successful at the ballot box over the past few years, the Right is being utterly crushed everywhere else by this massive progressive push.

As we have seen with James Gunn and Sarah Jeong, using the Left's tactics right back at them is what is most effective. Just look at the utter meltdown the Left is having over losing their ideological weapon superiority and being faced with mutually assured destruction.

Until the Right makes an effective push back at the highest levels almost all their battles against these toxic and hateful wackos DnC covers will go either unheard by the general public or effectively spun to fit the narrative of alt-right trumpster manbabies harassing innocent protected class person.
 
Tony Isabella (creator of Black Lightning and the Electric Negro trope), went on a rant saying his customers are Muh Nazis, Bigots MySoggyKnees,etc...):
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Btw the actual responses that I saw were mostly asspats from his followers.
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The favorite part of this spergout had to be this:
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A comicsgater warning him about his dumbass doxxing himself:
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https://twitter.com/thetonyisabella
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"They don't actually exist"

Okay, humor me and I won't even bring up shipments. Let's say they don't exist and it's all a massive Right-Wing conspiracy, what exactly is the endgame you're against? The classic characters remaining the stars of their own series? I mean okay, maybe you think it's minorities will disappear from comics but what difference does it make when most of the yelling is about removing the OG guys? You as the writer can still add all the minorities you want.
 
It's why all their backstories are exactly the same. They're all from various parts of the middle class coastal cities. They're all smart to super genius. They're all mostly level-headed with various sass. There's some lip service to racial or cultural tensions that never mean anything. They had to bring back teenage Cyclops in Champions just because they couldn't bear the thought of depicting their self-inserts as serious and rigid. Gonna sperg a bit. I know this is Waid but it's still a good example.

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You could throw in Moongirl, America, and Ironheart and Cyclops would still be the only one who sits out karaoke. Teen Titans may not be at their peak but they aren't this predictable. None of the Marvel hacks can write characters with interests different from theirs unless they bring them back from the past.
I would add a something even more grim. These are what adult spoiled wealthy kids think are the coolest things ever, and think other adults are the same way. These people are inevitably dour as hell, and it's like watching some obese 20 year old on DeviantArt write her OC genki airhead Japanese school girl patterned after Sailor Moon and Fushigi Yugi.
 
I would add a something even more grim. These are what adult spoiled wealthy kids think are the coolest things ever, and think other adults are the same way. These people are inevitably dour as hell, and it's like watching some obese 20 year old on DeviantArt write her OC genki airhead Japanese school girl patterned after Sailor Moon and Fushigi Yugi.
Sometimes when I see someone really vocal for the replacements I try to imagine what the version of them that exists entirely in their head looks like. The easy answer is assuming they don't get these things are part of a massive ongoing collaborative story and think people are just complaining about junk food mascots. It's weird because they think you're making it up when you bring up Riri coming off as sociopathic or mention Miles goes to some boarding school for smart kids and has no personal issues to drive him as a hero, he could live a normal life and literally nothing would change since he made the jump to normal canon. There's no dead Peter for him to fill the void for.

Writers themselves tend to leave out these details to just talk about "representation" so I do wonder if some people just don't actually get the issue. It's one you're going to blow off if you think comics are dumb anyways.
 
Sometimes when I see someone really vocal for the replacements I try to imagine what the version of them that exists entirely in their head looks like. The easy answer is assuming they don't get these things are part of a massive ongoing collaborative story and think people are just complaining about junk food mascots. It's weird because they think you're making it up when you bring up Riri coming off as sociopathic or mention Miles goes to some boarding school for smart kids and has no personal issues to drive him as a hero, he could live a normal life and literally nothing would change since he made the jump to normal canon. There's no dead Peter for him to fill the void for.

Writers themselves tend to leave out these details to just talk about "representation" so I do wonder if some people just don't actually get the issue. It's one you're going to blow off if you think comics are dumb anyways.
My daughter read Riri Williams eagerly to read about when she goes full supervillian and Tony Stark comes back as Riri takes the place of Doctor Doom and becomes Tony's foe rather than Reed Richards.

Then she realized that she was basically a Mary Sue and it would never happen, which might have made her an interesting character that would be remembered for decades.
 
>tfw hating your own family over dumb political bullshit
That's really sad. You'd think this would be a sign they need to tone it down and they don't have much emotional maturity if they'd do that.
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90yo Aunt Mary is still trolling Billy :story:
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I remember coming across one of Shaenon Garrity's earlier webcomics, "Narbonic" which despite not having much in the way of, uh, quality still managed to receive much in the way of cheering from various reviewers back from 2000 to '06. It was about a laboratory for mad scientists run by a lady mad scientist but, as someone somewhere put it
"The first strip has a Quake joke, the current one has a Livejournal one. I think we're done here." plus from what I remember quite a few hack jokes in the vein of "More like 'MicroSQUASH WinBLOWS, am I right people?‽" She seemed to have a bad case of the Zanies, which means that weird zany shit happened for the sake of being weird and zany. And of course there was the wacky out-there sidekick. All the weird zany comics need a sidekick.
From quickly skimming her website it looks like she's writing the same shit. I'm kinda surprised she doesn't have a current Marvel book considering that a selling point of the SJW heroes seems to be - look at how Zany it is.
 
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