#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[COMMI3 MARK]

Well, well, well... Look at who has made the scene and are blowing up in a big way. Don't let internet fame go to your heads, @Mister Dongs and @COMMI3 MARK . Always remember where you came from and don't forget us little people back home.

 

[Rupin]

His video clearly said he will not quit, just do less videos.
Then he went and made 4 videos a day on the next day and true to YBZ form he is actually doing what he did all along with no change.

I have skimmed through Gender Queer and posted some of the more risque panels.
It is clearly not for kids and also a good way for young adults who feel confused about their gender to read. Loved the TERF lesbian aunt who was not a strawwoman but an actualy, reasonable character.

i dunno, I thought the blowjob scene was totally unnecessary and took away from what they were trying to do. I don’t think anyone in their right should be reading that Crap.

In other news, they are now complaining about Thor Love and Thunder on Comicsgate kings right now.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

There’s no two ways about it, floppies are a dead format. The only people who care about them are nostalgia-drunk boomers. They were literally made to be cheap and disposable - when they’re up $5 a pop it defeats the entire purpose of the format.

They’re not quite dead just yet, yet another year of this and they absolutely will be. DC appears to maybe be getting itself back together, yet time will tell if it’s more then just a one-off.

Either they give us more things like World’s Finest (which at 32 pages for $4 is actually worth getting unless you can’t stand Waid even when he’s not going full SJW) and maybe get things back on track, or use it as an attempt to lure people back in and then bombard them with the usual kinds of wokeshit and inevitably die even worse.

Marvel’s certainly not up to the task, which is the weirdest thing considering they practically own all current pop culture.

 

[Analog Devolved]

YBZ had sex with at least 3 women and this is probably more than all the male editors of marvel combined

What about the women they rape? Does that count?

 

[Gar For Archer]

They’re not quite dead just yet, yet another year of this and they absolutely will be. DC appears to maybe be getting itself back together, yet time will tell if it’s more then just a one-off.

Either they give us more things like World’s Finest (which at 32 pages for $4 is actually worth getting unless you can’t stand Waid even when he’s not going full SJW) and maybe get things back on track, or use it as an attempt to lure people back in and then bombard them with the usual kinds of wokeshit and inevitably die even worse.

Marvel’s certainly not up to the task, which is the weirdest thing considering they practically own all of the current pop culture.

Maybe I’m wrong - I’m no market expert. But I think even if Marvel/DC were publishing god-tier stories with amazing writing and art targeted towards young teenage boys being sold in Target and Walmart, they’d STILL be unable to compete with manga and YA graphic novels, solely because floppy comics are probably some of the worst price-to-(time)value entertainment options out there.

A volume of Dogman, or literally any random paperback manga, will run you about $10 for around 200 pages. At my reading pace a volume of manga lasts maybe 2 hours. I’m not 10 years old so I haven’t read Dogman, but if it’s anything like Diary of a Wimpy Kid in terms of content density, it could have occupied 10-year-old Archer for at least 2-3 hours. This isn’t even counting box-sets, which can bring the price per book down to about $5-6. How much is a $4-5, 32 page comic book going to last you? MAYBE 40 minutes if you really take your time? If you're a kid with a limited allowance, it's just not a very good use of your money.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Maybe I’m wrong - I’m no market expert. But I think even if Marvel/DC were publishing god-tier stories with amazing writing and art targeted towards young teenage boys being sold in Target and Walmart, they’d STILL be unable to compete with manga and YA graphic novels, solely because floppy comics are probably some of the worst price-to-(time)value entertainment options out there.

A volume of Dogman, or literally any random paperback manga, will run you about $10 for around 200 pages. At my reading pace a volume of manga lasts maybe 2 hours. I’m not 10 years old so I haven’t read Dogman, but if it’s anything like Diary of a Wimpy Kid in terms of content density, it could have occupied 10-year-old Archer for at least 2-3 hours. This isn’t even counting box-sets, which can bring the price per book down to about $5-6. How much is a $4-5, 32 page comic book going to last you? MAYBE 40 minutes if you really take your time? If you're a kid with a limited allowance, it's just not a very good use of your money.

The thing with that comparison is it’s effectively apples to… a bushel of apples. Floppies are single issues of a story while manga volumes are like a compilation of issues, going with compiled graphic novels gets you far similar price to page ratios.

I went and looked at what would be more of the floppy equivalent to manga, magazines, and holy shit while the magazines over there are big, they’re also on the decline. Even at the equivalent of $2 for 500 pages, it’s been on a significant decline over the last few years or so, while the individual volumes have been killing.

While I don’t think either format is dead, the focus seems to be more and more on the compiled entries as the years go by. Issue is, Marvel and DC’s output, graphic novel wise, has been largely weird, woke, and confusing. Either one of them stepping up to the plate and getting everything streamlined and less woke could do wonders, which DC seems to have started taking very small steps towards lately. Probably had enough shit like “I Am Not Starfire” and “Nubia: Real One” for ten lifetimes by now.

 

[Gar For Archer]

The thing with that comparison is it’s effectively apples to… a bushel of apples. Floppies are single issues of a story while manga volumes are like a compilation of issues, going with compiled graphic novels gets you far similar price to page ratios.

I went and looked at what would be more of the floppy equivalent to manga, magazines, and holy shit while the magazines over there are big, they’re also on the decline. Even at the equivalent of $2 for 500 pages, it’s been on a significant decline over the last few years or so, while the individual volumes have been killing.

While I don’t think either format is dead, the focus seems to be more and more on the compiled entries as the years go by. Issue is, Marvel and DC’s output, graphic novel wise, has been largely weird, woke, and confusing. Either one of them stepping up to the plate and getting everything streamlined and less woke could do wonders, which DC seems to have started taking very small steps towards lately. Probably had enough shit like “I Am Not Starfire” and “Nubia: Real One” for ten lifetimes by now.

Manga magazines are in decline because the publishers are going hard into digital. No matter how cheap it is, there just isn't much point lugging around a 500 page phonebook when you can get a $2 subscription and read everything on your tablet. I don't know how smaller magazines are dealing with it, but for the big publishers, I wouldn't be surprised if they're making MORE profit from digital subscriptions, just by virtue of not actually having to pay for printing and distribution.

If floppies were a cheap, accessible way to keep up with a story, that would be fine. The problem is the industry, the retailers and comic fans can't seem to decide if floppies are supposed to be collectibles, or if they're supposed to be the main medium through which your story is conveyed. If they're supposed to be collectibles, then you need a cheap, accessible way to read the story (HINT: DIGITAL) to give people a reason to WANT to collect your shit in the first place. If they're supposed to be the primary medium through which the audience is expected to read your story, then they CANNOT be $5 a pop.

I guess my main point is, if American comics are determined to stay as floppy comics distributed almost exclusively through small comic shops (who will fight tooth and nail agaist digital because they're deathly afraid that it'll tank their business), then they're basically dooming themselves to irrelevancy. I think one of the uncomfortable truths is that a world where Marvel and DC are successfully competing with manga and Scholastic is a world where comic book shops basically don't exist anymore, and I don't think the industry is quite ready for the massive shakeup that would entail.

 

[Least Concern]

A volume of Dogman, or literally any random paperback manga, will run you about $10 for around 200 pages. At my reading pace a volume of manga lasts maybe 2 hours. I’m not 10 years old so I haven’t read Dogman, but if it’s anything like Diary of a Wimpy Kid in terms of content density, it could have occupied 10-year-old Archer for at least 2-3 hours. This isn’t even counting box-sets, which can bring the price per book down to about $5-6. How much is a $4-5, 32 page comic book going to last you? MAYBE 40 minutes if you really take your time? If you're a kid with a limited allowance, it's just not a very good use of your money.

One reason why I'm rooting for Alterna. In another universe, Peter Simeti got that Walmart deal instead of the Breitweisers and instead of four $5 books and not being able to keep up the schedule, there were 8-12 $2 books which kept coming month after month. They didn't have amazing inks on archival papers, but they were good enough and everyone was happy.

Well, Walmart might be burned and not interested in giving floppies a try again in the near future, but there's still Target, Dollar General, various supermarket chains… Still hope Simeti is able to land a deal like that some day.

 

[A nameless trool]

What about the women they rape? Does that count?

No. That is DC.

In Marvel it is the other way around, if we believe the Sana Amanat rumors

 

[Fleetwood]

Naturally the sperging got a bit vicious

Spoiler: TLDR More Sperging

I think they should run with the fact "Genderqueer" is making any news again unless they want to avoid it getting press and sales. Otherwise if Comicsgate is avoiding what the more established but mega cancelled (fighting cancel culture here?) Infowars are covering and not clipping it, could be due to Alex Jones being an FNT approved guest or maybe selling the dreaded and blackballed by Mainstream CG at the time ALT-HERO. Probably they are big mad that Alex & co interviewed George "Pussynopoulous" Alexopolous who is also excommunicado. The very comical image of the "SJW" that EVS/YBZ/CG over use comes from Owen Shroyer (Alex Jones co-host) videos if they realize it or not. The campus protest confrontation ones that produced characters like AIDS Skrillex and Big Red. Tell me you haven't seen this mug in some CG related thumbnail:

Manga magazines are in decline...
If floppies were a cheap....

Manga production speed and quality is unmatched. But print and physical media of all sorts is a dying medium at this moment in time (digital being the possible viable alternative). Crowdfunding and cult of personality isn't the only way to grow physical sales, it comes off as a death spiral of some old remnants. The floppy american comics people adored were full of ads for movies, TV shows, video games, snack cakes, comic back issues, and a circus of various ripoffs like sea monkeys and x-ray goggles. That is what subsidized the low prices and even though you might have appreciated this trash art form it was a vehicle to sell you other stuff. Comicsgater creators could probably just stuff the damn books with MyPillow ads etc and get mad copies out into the world without worrying about Indiegogo but the work ethic is not up to speed and control from the Frogfuhrer is too tight.

Rumor is Dongs' reportage will reach an even bigger audience tonight when sources say it'll be featured

Journalist might be a dirty word but if it wasn't I would give @Mister Dongs the highest award available for CG Journalism. Maybe an eponymous Purple Dong:

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Manga magazines are in decline because the publishers are going hard into digital. No matter how cheap it is, there just isn't much point lugging around a 500 page phonebook when you can get a $2 subscription and read everything on your tablet. I don't know how smaller magazines are dealing with it, but for the big publishers, I wouldn't be surprised if they're making MORE profit from digital subscriptions, just by virtue of not actually having to pay for printing and distribution.

If floppies were a cheap, accessible way to keep up with a story, that would be fine. The problem is the industry, the retailers and comic fans can't seem to decide if floppies are supposed to be collectibles, or if they're supposed to be the main medium through which your story is conveyed. If they're supposed to be collectibles, then you need a cheap, accessible way to read the story (HINT: DIGITAL) to give people a reason to WANT to collect your shit in the first place. If they're supposed to be the primary medium through which the audience is expected to read your story, then they CANNOT be $5 a pop.

I guess my main point is, if American comics are determined to stay as floppy comics distributed almost exclusively through small comic shops (who will fight tooth and nail agaist digital because they're deathly afraid that it'll tank their business), then they're basically dooming themselves to irrelevancy. I think one of the uncomfortable truths is that a world where Marvel and DC are successfully competing with manga and Scholastic is a world where comic book shops basically don't exist anymore, and I don't think the industry is quite ready for the massive shakeup that would entail.

Fuck it, let the local shops die.

I just decided that I liked World’s Finest enough after reading #1 and #2 that I wanted to see the thing through. Even if Waid is woke as a person, supporting non-woke comics in general is worth it to me no matter who they’re from.

Did I go to my local comics shop? No. I went online, to the official DC site, and got the next 12 issues for a whopping… $35.93, including shipping. Going straight to the source gave me a better price than the shops could ever sort of dream about, and with one relatively cheap purchase I’ve been set for the year. And if it suddenly gets an infusion of woke, I can cancel, letting them know specifically why I’m getting the refund for the rest.

 

[The Coon]

What about the women they rape? Does that count?Its not rape when its an ally doing it.A volume of Dogman, or literally any random paperback manga, will run you about $10 for around 200 pages. At my reading pace a volume of manga lasts maybe 2 hours. I’m not 10 years old so I haven’t read Dogman, but if it’s anything like Diary of a Wimpy Kid in terms of content density, it could have occupied 10-year-old Archer for at least 2-3 hours. This isn’t even counting box-sets, which can bring the price per book down to about $5-6. How much is a $4-5, 32 page comic book going to last you? MAYBE 40 minutes if you really take your time? If you're a kid with a limited allowance, it's just not a very good use of your money.

I have mostly read comics and not really dabbled in manga. Since the start of 2022 though, I have been reading a lot more manga, and this is one of the main reasons why. I have mainly been reading the Shaman King omnibi which are 3 regular volumes, about 600 pages, in one. For $14 to $20 on Amazon and a disappointing shipping time of the next day instead of the more fun week shipping, I have about 600 pages that takes me about a work week if I read it at nights, or close to a full weekend day(with breaks throughout) of entertainment. I still read comics and plan on checking out Worlds Finest that @Crescent Fresh mentioned. Im not going full "no more western comics, only manga", but I do see how people can get to that point. Also this is a very convent thing about manga.

One reason why I'm rooting for Alterna. In another universe, Peter Simeti got that Walmart deal instead of the Breitweisers and instead of four $5 books and not being able to keep up the schedule, there were 8-12 $2 books which kept coming month after month. They didn't have amazing inks on archival papers, but they were good enough and everyone was happy.

Well, Walmart might be burned and not interested in giving floppies a try again in the near future, but there's still Target, Dollar General, various supermarket chains… Still hope Simeti is able to land a deal like that some day.

This right here! An everyday normal parent doesnt know or give 2 shits about paying more for a comic because its a "prestige" format. Kids arent going to care either and are going to bend, rip, color in, pretty much destroy the comic anyways, so the cheaper the better. Also, Alterna's all ages titles seem like they are geared for that age group that likes Dogman, but since the art doesnt look like an autist drew it with crayola markers, older kids will like it as well. Parents will like it too because it doesnt have the modern day woke shit, like those DC graphic novels or the conservative shit like the Tuttle Twins stuff.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

I have mostly read comics and not really dabbled in manga. Since the start of 2022 though, I have been reading a lot more manga, and this is one of the main reasons why. I have mainly been reading the Shaman King omnibi which are 3 regular volumes, about 600 pages, in one. For $14 to $20 on Amazon and a disappointing shipping time of the next day instead of the more fun week shipping, I have about 600 pages that takes me about a work week if I read it at nights, or close to a full weekend day(with breaks throughout) of entertainment. I still read comics and plan on checking out Worlds Finest that @Crescent Fresh mentioned. Im not going full "no more western comics, only manga", but I do see how people can get to that point. Also this is a very convent thing about manga.
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This right here! An everyday normal parent doesnt know or give 2 shits about paying more for a comic because its a "prestige" format. Kids arent going to care either and are going to bend, rip, color in, pretty much destroy the comic anyways, so the cheaper the better. Also, Alterna's all ages titles seem like they are geared for that age group that likes Dogman, but since the art doesnt look like an autist drew it with crayola markers, older kids will like it as well. Parents will like it too because it doesnt have the modern day woke shit, like those DC graphic novels or the conservative shit like the Tuttle Twins stuff.

This thread is actually what got me to read it, apparently as per a few pages ago Zack is pissed about books like both it and a Silver Surfer miniseries for “pandering to CG” by writing non-woke stories without giving any credit to CG, which is a ridiculously dumb stance to take.

Alterna certainly deserves wider success, and I expect it to see it eventually. At the same time, though, it keeps reminding me of something in particular: If CG actually put good books out on time, you’d already have a “CG imprint” sending out the completed books nationwide, either by Alterna, a new startup, something like that. Yet due to CG’s constant lateness and varying comic quality, something like that just isn’t feasible as a business, nobody’s going to try and sign on a bunch of series that are multiple months if not even years past their estimated dues.

 

[A nameless trool]

I have mostly read comics and not really dabbled in manga. Since the start of 2022 though, I have been reading a lot more manga, and this is one of the main reasons why. I have mainly been reading the Shaman King omnibi which are 3 regular volumes, about 600 pages, in one. For $14 to $20 on Amazon and a disappointing shipping time of the next day instead of the more fun week shipping, I have about 600 pages that takes me about a work week if I read it at nights, or close to a full weekend day(with breaks throughout) of entertainment. I still read comics and plan on checking out Worlds Finest that @Crescent Fresh mentioned. Im not going full "no more western comics, only manga", but I do see how people can get to that point. Also this is a very convent thing about manga.
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This right here! An everyday normal parent doesnt know or give 2 shits about paying more for a comic because its a "prestige" format. Kids arent going to care either and are going to bend, rip, color in, pretty much destroy the comic anyways, so the cheaper the better. Also, Alterna's all ages titles seem like they are geared for that age group that likes Dogman, but since the art doesnt look like an autist drew it with crayola markers, older kids will like it as well. Parents will like it too because it doesnt have the modern day woke shit, like those DC graphic novels or the conservative shit like the Tuttle Twins stuff.

This, sir, is a position only fencesitters like Comics by Perch would take.
No, you like manga because they are not woke bullshit full of femmy boys and manly women and wierd sex stuff and homoeroticism.
You should read Sailor Moon next...

This thread is actually what got me to read it, apparently as per a few pages ago Zack is pissed about books like both it and a Silver Surfer miniseries for “pandering to CG” by writing non-woke stories without giving any credit to CG, which is a ridiculously dumb stance to take.

Alterna certainly deserves wider success, and I expect it to see it eventually. At the same time, though, it keeps reminding me of something in particular: If CG actually put good books out on time, you’d already have a “CG imprint” sending out books nationwide, either by Alterna, a new startup, something like that. Yet due to CG’s constant lateness and varying comic quality, something like that just isn’t feasible, nobody’s going to try and sign on a bunch of series that are multiple months if not sometimes even years past their dues.

CG is a more retarded Image comics and they fail exactly where Image comics failed: they made money very fast without knowing what they were doing and got cults of personality around them.
The fact that they have fragments of the talent of the Image Founders does not help either.

I mean you can get a pretty one-to-one comparisson between CG personalities and Image Founders.
EVS is the two bit Todd McFarlane, all chad shit-talking and also business minded
YBZ is the argumentative Erik Larsen who just wants to do his weird comics. Mark Waid could easily double as his Peter David.
You can either take Mitch Breitweisser as the Jim Lee of the team. Left early and had a ton of books out.
Mike S. Miller has the business saviness and work ethic of a Rob Liefeld.
Jon Malin tries to be Papa Rob too, but he is more like a Mark Silvestri
Not sure who is the Jim Vallentino or the Whilce Portasio of CG, but nobody cares about them...
Narwall brings the Sam Keith weirdness and Nasser could easily be CG's Erik Stephenson.
And they also have Dave Keown too.

 

[ShitInMyMouth]

What about the women they rape? Does that count?

You don’t count them unless you get convicted. There’s no reason to snitch on yourself.

 

[FluffyJackal]

Alterna certainly deserves wider success, and I expect it to see it eventually. At the same time, though, it keeps reminding me of something in particular: If CG actually put good books out on time, you’d already have a “CG imprint” sending out the completed books nationwide, either by Alterna, a new startup, something like that. Yet due to CG’s constant lateness and varying comic quality, something like that just isn’t feasible as a business, nobody’s going to try and sign on a bunch of series that are multiple months if not even years past their estimated dues.

I do wonder how much money Alterna makes re-issuing Clint Stoker's comics compared to the original crowdfund that he raised.

 

[The Coon]

I do wonder how much money Alterna makes re-issuing Clint Stoker's comics compared to the original crowdfund that he raised.

Honestly, it depends on the deal set up between Clint and Peter, but my guess is that Clint made more profit on the campaign than Alterna is making on the re-issue. Clint and Peter are good friends, and I know Clint really wanted to do it so he could say his books were sold in comic shop too.

 

[Analog Devolved]

I want to hear @FROG on all the people who expect him to care about Coach Red Pill. I've seen EVS mentioned in CRP sperging several times.

Ethan, what's it like to be such an unlikable fag that people just assume you're friends with other retards?

 

[The Coon]

Who knows what stage of the book it is? and the wasp aliens look menacing. I feel like trolling him at this point will only slow him down so the more negative comments he's forced to respond to the slower he will go.

I want to hear @FROG on all the people who expect him to care about Coach Red Pill. I've seen EVS mentioned in CRP sperging several times.

Ethan, what's it like to be such an unlikable fag that people just assume you're friends with other retards?

Im glad to see that you are fully back to your old self!

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Has Liam given us his take on the war yet? I would've thought he'd be first in line to go fight the commies.