#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Education Lottery]

Why Marvel won't make a subdivision to experiment and contain all this shit away from their core characters and stories, I don't know.
American comics needs hardlined genres like the manga industry has, not this shit.

 

[Mola Ram]

Why Marvel won't make a subdivision to experiment and contain all this shit away from their core characters and stories, I don't know.
American comics needs hardlined genres like the manga industry has, not this shit.

If Marvel put all their social justice trash under its own imprint, it would provide them with the ability to measure in a real, concrete way how much it actually sells compared to their more traditional titles.

And holy shit, they don't want that!

 

[RockVolnutt]

Why Marvel won't make a subdivision to experiment and contain all this shit away from their core characters and stories, I don't know.
American comics needs hardlined genres like the manga industry has, not this shit.

This has been asked before and the answer is usually them arguing that "representation matters" so they need to hijack the big IPs or else they can't survive on their own before they get the massive aidience they believe is on the other side. They believe new IPs automatically fail so they need the words "IRON MAN" on the cover as "No major characters have been made in the past 20 years".

I think even normies can name at least one. Even like X-23.

 

[AnOminous]

Why Marvel won't make a subdivision to experiment and contain all this shit away from their core characters and stories, I don't know.
American comics needs hardlined genres like the manga industry has, not this shit.

They should put it all in one building and then burn that building down for the insurance money.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

American comics needs hardlined genres like the manga industry has, not this shit.

American comics haven't actually had other genres for years. You can't talk about hardline genres when there's nothing else.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

American comics haven't actually had other genres for years. You can't talk about hardline genres when there's nothing else.

Not from the Big Two anyway. While superheroes have been the dominant genre since the forties (with only a brief dip in popularity in the fifties) there had been other genres. War comics like DC's Sgt. Rock and Marvel's Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos had existed into the eighties. Marvel published comics based on the martial arts craze in the seventies and DC's Warlord was long-running fantasy series. Horror comics saw a revival when the Comics Code Authority loosened up its regulations in the seventies, which led to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and the eventual rise of Vertigo Comics. It largely disappeared by the nineties, with only independents publishing material from other genres. A shame too because I liked Battle Chasers.

I largely blame the lack of diversity on the moral panic over comics in the fifties. EC Comics was publishing a large amount of mature and diverse content that included science fiction and horror. The congressional hearings solidified the perceptions that comic books were exclusively a format for children and thus never branched out the way European comics and Japanese manga did.

 

[AnOminous]

The congressional hearing solidified the perceptions that comic books were exclusively a format for children and thus never branched out the way European comics and Japanese manga did.

And now moral panickers from the opposite end of the spectrum have actually literally taken over the industry and now the medium for babbies is the medium for triggered manbabbies.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

And now moral panickers from the opposite end of the spectrum have actually literally taken over the industry and now the medium for babbies is the medium for triggered manbabbies.

I know how the Silver Age DC gets a bad rep for the crudeness of their stories, but the stories had at least had imagination and whimsy that made them endearing. Many of today's comics (in particular Marvel under Alonso and Cebulski) lack any sort of charm that make them appealing because the current crop of moralists see the material's relationship with the reader as didactic and thus hammer them with messages like, "muh representation!"

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I largely blame the lack of diversity on the moral panic over comics in the fifties. EC Comics was publishing a large amount of mature and diverse content that included science fiction and horror. The congressional hearings solidified the perceptions that comic books were exclusively a format for children and thus never branched out the way European comics and Japanese manga did.

This is rather off-topic, but the fact is even after the horror comics were gone there was still at least some diversity even with the Big Two. The death of diversity in comic books really solidified in the 70s and 80s - let us note, this was when the fan and by the early 90s, there simply wasn't any in the Big Two.

European comics and Japanese manga branched out and became what they did because their publication circumstances are wholly dissimilar to the way they're published here in America, but that's another story.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

Not from the Big Two anyway. While superheroes have been the dominant genre since the forties (with only a brief dip in popularity in the fifties) there had been other genres. War comics like DC's Sgt. Rock and Marvel's Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos had existed into the eighties. Marvel published comics based on the martial arts craze in the seventies and DC's Warlord was long-running fantasy series. Horror comics saw a revival when the Comics Code Authority loosened up its regulations in the seventies, which led to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and the eventual rise of Vertigo Comics. It largely disappeared by the nineties, with only independents publishing material from other genres. A shame too because I liked Battle Chasers.

I largely blame the lack of diversity on the moral panic over comics in the fifties. EC Comics was publishing a large amount of mature and diverse content that included science fiction and horror. The congressional hearings solidified the perceptions that comic books were exclusively a format for children and thus never branched out the way European comics and Japanese manga did.

Lot of the stuff post comics code was able to skirt the censoring by publishing in magazine format back in the day, you had for horror Eerie and Spooky and today there's Creeps which is inspired by said two and Marvel had Tales of the Zombie and Savage Sword of Conan.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

European comics and Japanese manga branched out and became what they did because their publication circumstances are wholly dissimilar to the way they're published here in America, but that's another story.

I would argue that the United States (and the rest of the Anglo-sphere to varying extents) always had a Puritan impulse that resulted in moral panics. We saw the same happen with the music industry, Dungeons and Dragons, and video games in later decades. The "old" moralists were motivated by a Judeo-Christian morality, which retarded the growth and maturation of American comics. Thus is was more or less too late when Vertigo Comics came on the scene as the original target audience (children and teenagers) moved to other media for consumption.

As for the "new" moralists, they replaced Judeo-Christianity with Feminist/Queer/etc. Theory and are no less stupid.

Lot of the stuff post comics code was able to skirt the censoring by publishing in magazine format back in the day, you had for horror Eerie and Spooky and today there's Creeps which is inspired by said two and Marvel had Tales of the Zombie and Savage Sword of Conan.

Indeed, that is how MAD survived the EC purge.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

If Marvel put all their social justice trash under its own imprint, it would provide them with the ability to measure in a real, concrete way how much it actually sells compared to their more traditional titles.

And holy shit, they don't want that!

I thought that was West Coast Avengers?

 

[damian]

It's almost on the level of claiming Dan Slott is Hitler because they prefer peeing standing up.

Now that I think about it, Dan Slott and Hitler have never been seen in the same room at the same time.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Well let's be fair. If you're in the comics industry and your name isn't Grant Morrison, chances are good you're not exactly an intellectual titan.

FTFY

This has been asked before and the answer is usually them arguing that "representation matters" so they need to hijack the big IPs or else they can't survive on their own before they get the massive aidience they believe is on the other side. They believe new IPs automatically fail so they need the words "IRON MAN" on the cover as "No major characters have been made in the past 20 years".

I think even normies can name at least one. Even like X-23.

And this is the rub. The focus of diversity/representation/"wokeness" over anything else comes not only from the top-down, but from the bottom-up. Top-down because the "leftist" portions of society itself is incentivizing this "woke" shit; bottom-up because of all of the brainwashed dangerhairs and soy boys attempting to proselytize people into their political cult: Socialist Marxist Communism.

 

[Exterminatus]

Why Marvel won't make a subdivision to experiment and contain all this shit away from their core characters and stories, I don't know.
American comics needs hardlined genres like the manga industry has, not this shit.

Cause the far left elements in the company want to wage their little culture war against the evil Nazis and Drumpftards by seeing if they get the youth and young adults to swallow their crappy stories and desecrated characters but the average comic reader is rejecting and it's completely infuriated them plus they've gotta get those diversity hires in so they get those woke points with the people that don't even really read or enjoy comics.

 

[PaiZuri]

From the DnC video's tweet:

"Comicsgate is the opposite of a hate movement."

Every time someone makes this same PR mistake I always imagine the high school kid who gets fed up with people calling him a faggot and decides to walk around school with a "I'm not a faggot" tshirt.

How hard is to understand that when you are being targeted with a slur or label you never repeat that slur in your own messaging. All you are doing is spreading the slur or label to a wider audience.

 

[AnOminous]

Every time someone makes this same PR mistake I always imagine the high school kid who gets fed up with people calling him a faggot and decides to walk around school with a "I'm not a faggot" tshirt.

Reminds me of this underage YouTube lolcow from a long time ago who repeatedly uploaded videos tard raging about being called a homo, which of course caused people to call him a homo even more. I don't even remember this dumb kid's name, but he became known as Angry Homo Kid.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Every time someone makes this same PR mistake I always imagine the high school kid who gets fed up with people calling him a faggot and decides to walk around school with a "I'm not a faggot" tshirt.

How hard is to understand that when you are being targeted with a slur or label you never repeat that slur in your own messaging. All you are doing is spreading the slur or label to a wider audience.

There's an old political saying that goes something like "We don't have to prove [he had an affair/he's a faggot], we just have to get him to deny it."

 

[MechaWashington]

The very same.
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The beauty of Frank Cho is that he's Korean so he cant be attacked by the SJW because he's a minority . They might insult him and whatnot, but not to the extent of a " white cis male". I mean sure he kinda lost on the whole wonder woman variant covers, but he's still employed by DC doing some seriously fantastic Harley Quinn Covers.

Robbi Rodriguez is such a fucking crybaby. Always tweeting shit. Spider Gwen was good for a while I guess, but they seriously lost me with African American Woman Captain America. Wouldn't It make more sense to have a Native American Captain America?

 

[damian]

The beauty of Frank Cho is that he's Korean so he cant be attacked by the SJW because he's a minority . They might insult him and whatnot, but not to the extent of a " white cis male". I mean sure he kinda lost on the whole wonder woman variant covers, but he's still employed by DC doing some seriously fantastic Harley Quinn Covers.

Robbi Rodriguez is such a fucking crybaby. Always tweeting shit. Spider Gwen was good for a while I guess, but they seriously lost me with African American Woman Captain America. Wouldn't It make more sense to have a Native American Captain ring cAmerica?

He’s still male, so the harpies will still nag at him from time to time. The connecting covers are pretty neat: