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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Heard through the grapevine Jason Yungbluth apparently posts under the SA handle of "Death Ray"
edit: Some shit about Vox Day I didn't read
Wonder what it is with malignant shitheads retaining current goon status. hmm, must just be a coincidence
Wonder what it is with malignant shitheads retaining current goon status. hmm, must just be a coincidence
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I briefly meet Stan Lee almost a decade ago and his handlers were complete assholes to everyone. There were actual major movie stars there that were more accessible. It was literally don’t speak to him, don’t touch him, the guests to meet him are not to speak or touch him, he will sign and they will move. It was very bizarre and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone with that degree of isolation at any kind of meet and greet before or since. I can’t even say it was because he was elderly, because even the stars older and arguably more famous were down to shake hands and talk with fans.
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Oldfag here - old enough that Firefly was all the rage among nerds while I was in college, and a couple of my roomies were nerds for Buffy/Angel too though I personally didn't dig that one. As I remember, his shows were not as widely mocked as they are becoming to be now, though we obviously had no way to know back then the extent to which that kind of dialogue would take over pop culture - "Whedonesque" was not a word yet. Looking back, though, yeah, it was cringey. I recall a scene in Firefly where one female character is, apropos of nothing, complaining she hasn't been laid in a while, and she says it like "I've had naught betwixt my nethers in far too long" or something like that. I cringe now, but in my late teens and early 20s, it was hilarious, I guess.
I will say, though, that dialogue aside, the premise of Firefly is still fun; lovable rogues, recently on the losing end of a war of rebellion against a universal government, trying to make a living while staying under the radar of the law. It's actually still moderately popular in libertarian circles due to that premise (much, I'm sure, to Whedon's chagrin). Even though Buffy's premise was more prosaic, you could say it was influential in that it was on the forefront of the handsome vampire boyfriend trope.
Allow me to sperg out a bit here for the edification of the Farms and over-analyze a fragment of this:
So what's wrong here? First, as has been complained about before here, the present tense. It's not unheard of for an entire novel to be written that way, but it's certainly unusual and can come off pretentious and obnoxious.
Second, the colons. Colons are not typically used in prose; semicolons might instead be used to join two full sentences, as I just did there, but colons are typically only used in titles, lists, and the like. But if he's going to use colons in his book, he needs to do so consistently. For example, should the word after a colon be capitalized, as if a new sentence is starting ("Above it: Two Star Destroyers…"), or not capitalized, as if a comma or semicolon had been used ("There: home")?
Third, the repetition of "above" in "Above it: Two Star Destroyers hang there like swords above the surface" is jarring and something typical of amateur prose writers; usually it'll be more obvious like "she calmly sat in the chair and calmly sipped her coffee," but this is still a case of it. If you are writing prose and catch yourself repeating a word like that, you should either choose a different word for one (or both) of the cases or simply remove one of them.
Fourth, "hang there like swords." Do swords hang? The Sword of Damocles does, and if there were only one Star Destroyer, that would actually have been a pretty good analogy (Star Destroyers are the large wedge-shaped Imperial ships, so they're vaguely sword-like), but there are two of them, and the sword isn't identified as anything other than an ordinary sword of the non-hanging type.
Here's how I would rewrite that quote:
It's not perfect (I've got two "planets" too close together still), but I think we can agree it's better. And this is all stuff that an editor should have caught. I can only assume Wendig's editor was lazy, overworked, ignorant, or some combination of the three (if there was any editor at all).
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From the depths of my cold black editorial heart, I thank you. I have no idea what the heck is happening to pop culture, but as far as geek shit goes, a LOT could be solved by some competent editorial hack-and-slashing. The Star Destroyer/sword thing was clumsy, and the prose didn't flow. If people like Chuck Wendig and the latest crop of Marvel Burger King Kids actually had someone standing over them going "Do it again, but properly," we might actually see something worth seeing.
Or we might have a million discrimination lawsuits for hurt feelings.
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Sensitive Joss Whedon's most popular work was Buffy and if you were in your mid to late teens at any point during it's run you probably watched a fair amount of it. It was essentially a soap with some cheesy action and hot actors, so it appealed to both genders. When I occasionally watched an episode it was to see Sarah Michelle Gellar, Charisma Carpenter and later Michelle Trachtenburg run around in tanktops and tight pants. Alyson Hannigan's character defined the quirky girl of that era too, but from what i remember she was too frumpy for me. They also had the handsome vampires that were bad boys turned good, oooh but they were still baaaad and chicks dug that.
The storytelling / dialogue was considered new and fresh unlike how ubiquitous it is today (musical and the silent episode were groundbreaking) the internet was much younger so most of show discussion was done on the school yard between friends. It was a good way to strike up conversations with girls as they had likely seen it and it wasn't too hard to skip episodes and still be up to date as a lot of the show was 'monster of the week' style format.
Firefly had a good premise and good ideas, but it's way too over-hyped for what it was. It's gained cult following by reddit fags now, but it was never as popular as Buffy. My problem with it was that he essentially made a lamer live action version of Cowboy Bebop; many people hadn't seen Cowboy Bebop at the time due to it being an anime, but i had and firefly wasn't nearly as good.
For olderfags if dad was in the room when i was watching the occasional episode i think he half watched it, mostly for the same reasons as me, but otherwise never cared. I think somebody mentioned JW writing style resulting in those twitter tropes we see so often, but while i don't think it helped i don't know if i can agree. I see JW style as quippy and self referential, but not in the same way as twitter; no declaration of conversation start/end, ugghh, like eww, thats so gross and toxic, etc. In my mind this is more like a delayed symptom of 'Valley girl' it stems mostly from California and almost fits to a T. To me it's spot on if you swap what is considered fashionable/hip, in the 80s it was clothing and now it's virtue signalling.
@Least Concern nailed it
I thought his daughter was a right cunt from the info that came out earlier, but what a turnabout now. Even after the bloodsucker was arrested i still thought she was only after Stan's fortune, I'm glad to be wrong and that he hasn't gone from one bloodsucker to the next.
EVS tells a great story in some of his live-streams, around the same time you met him EVS and Stan are in a back room at a convention signing stuff. Stan is pissed off and unhappy, EVS asks whats wrong and says Stan should be happy that so many fans showed up to meet him. Stan replies these people aren't my fans, all they want is my signature so that as soon as i die they can sell it for profit. EVS tries to convince Stan that they are his fans. Stan replies they aren't my fans, get me a machine gun and I'll shoot 'em all. If the movies never got big I'm sure Stan would like going to conventions and talking with real fans of his comics and characters, but his handlers making him sign thousands of items for pop culture fans at the age of 95 is awful
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I don't know about actual fan numbers, but Buffy and X-Files had the highest fan visibility online at the end of the nineties. I didn't know anybody IRL who liked it, the vampire people all orbited Anne Rice books. Internet fujoshi were all into it though. I don't think people smack talked it, because half the people anywhere were YAAAAS QUEENing it, so you would have needed a lolcow-esque lack of social graces.
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On the topic of Stan Lee, I'm happy that blood sucker is getting sued. I hope he gets his shit kicked in by Bubba, if he ever serves time for at least elder abuse.
This video has been posted before but you can see the cocksucker (o:53 douche in the suit, on the right side next to Stan) in here telling Stan to sign his name:
EDIT: I don't know if he qualifies for a thread, he's a semi-celebrity and has little to no online presence.
This video has been posted before but you can see the cocksucker (o:53 douche in the suit, on the right side next to Stan) in here telling Stan to sign his name:
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Real shit, meeting Stan has been a dream of mine since I was in the fifth grade. That anyone could mistreat the guy breaks my heart, and I hate that he has to spend his twilight years completely disillusioned from the industry and the people around him. I would be fine with never meeting the man myself if I was assured he could enjoy his last days in comfort.
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Absolutely don't intend for this to sound like "nobody understands him!" crap but I legitimately do wonder how pros and people who show up for the signings think of him. Is he just "that meme guy who shows up in the Marvel movies!" without truly thinking about the 95 year old on the other end? While I don't think he personally was on the front lines, you'd think the "Punch a Nazi" crowd would show even a little respect for an actual WW2 vet or acknowledge his importance in entertainment, even being partly responsible for getting rid of censorship they wouldn't exist under. Even if you don't care for comics, Stan isn't a nobody. Instead he's suffering alone in a room until they want to drag him out to be a commodity as everything he built decays.
I've never interacted with him but mistreating the elderly is one of those things where I draw a line. We all know it's going to get worse once he actually passes as everyone cries "He meant so much to us!" as they try forcing some $15 comic on you to "honor" him which will no doubt contain those dumb replacements they kept pushing because "Marvel's too white".
Nothing would say respect like demanding a dead man's creations be demolished and replaced with something more in-line with your already dated contemporary politics.
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@RockVolnutt according to his biography, Stan spent his entire time enlisted writing recruitment propaganda and never saw combat.
Even being a vet in just a technical sense, the general lack of respect for the elderly is sickening. Let alone the fact the man is - at least partially - responsible for some of the most memorable characters of the past 70 years.
Even being a vet in just a technical sense, the general lack of respect for the elderly is sickening. Let alone the fact the man is - at least partially - responsible for some of the most memorable characters of the past 70 years.
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It's easy to forget now how much you had to go digging to find the fanatics of fandom back in the day. Nowadays, with TV at its peak and ships and headcanon practically mainstream terms, the obsessed - and their loudness about their obsession - are much, much more visible than the early internet days.
So it was much easier to watch a show like Buffy or The X-Files without having to deal with the spergs demanding you recognise it's the best thing in creation (and their counterparts, the fans The Simpsons parodied so accurately who claim to love the show but think everything new is the Worst. Episode. Ever.).
There was also very little access to the cast and crew and creators of these shows outside interviews and conventions. You'd have to dig really deep to even try and figure out the political leanings of these people, and it was very unlikely to even be a topic of conversation. There were no purity tests or requirements that there be no wrongthink behind the scenes, and even if you did think that way you had no way to actually find out if your faves were 'problematic'. Authors and creators having a visible internet presence was much, much rarer, and would inevitably get commented on.
Similarly, the relative inaccessibility of the shows was a factor. If you didn't watch/tape them to VHS, you were likely to miss out. The whole thing wasn't available for an easy download, and only niche shows with the most obsessive fandoms, inevitably genre shows, would get VHS, and later DVD releases. A show's popularity was increased more by word of mouth and magazine pieces published weeks, months or even years after a show's start, rather than this instant recap/review culture that exists now. Again, the really hardcore fans were online at this point, but they were also very much defined by who had earlier access to the internet.
This is all a long-winded way of explaining that Joss Whedon was popular because he filled a fun niche in television with humour but also big emotion, crafting (at least earlier on) ongoing storylines throughout a season that is now commonplace but was much rarer back then, and you weren't constantly being told either how he was the best thing ever or Satan incarnate by the speds unless you really wanted to go find those conversations.
So it was much easier to watch a show like Buffy or The X-Files without having to deal with the spergs demanding you recognise it's the best thing in creation (and their counterparts, the fans The Simpsons parodied so accurately who claim to love the show but think everything new is the Worst. Episode. Ever.).
There was also very little access to the cast and crew and creators of these shows outside interviews and conventions. You'd have to dig really deep to even try and figure out the political leanings of these people, and it was very unlikely to even be a topic of conversation. There were no purity tests or requirements that there be no wrongthink behind the scenes, and even if you did think that way you had no way to actually find out if your faves were 'problematic'. Authors and creators having a visible internet presence was much, much rarer, and would inevitably get commented on.
Similarly, the relative inaccessibility of the shows was a factor. If you didn't watch/tape them to VHS, you were likely to miss out. The whole thing wasn't available for an easy download, and only niche shows with the most obsessive fandoms, inevitably genre shows, would get VHS, and later DVD releases. A show's popularity was increased more by word of mouth and magazine pieces published weeks, months or even years after a show's start, rather than this instant recap/review culture that exists now. Again, the really hardcore fans were online at this point, but they were also very much defined by who had earlier access to the internet.
This is all a long-winded way of explaining that Joss Whedon was popular because he filled a fun niche in television with humour but also big emotion, crafting (at least earlier on) ongoing storylines throughout a season that is now commonplace but was much rarer back then, and you weren't constantly being told either how he was the best thing ever or Satan incarnate by the speds unless you really wanted to go find those conversations.
To relate all that back to the topic at hand, a lot of that applies to comics fandom, except for the 'current golden age' part. Back issues often had to be hunted for and were expensive to get ahold of, conversation about them was mostly limited to your friends and perhaps your local comics shop, and in that same period in the 90s, the only creators the mainstream might have heard of was perhaps Rob Liefeld because he got a Levi's ad. You didn't even really see comics cross over when the Batman movies came out, because comics were both too nerdy and aimed at kids. The odd murmuring about 'oh, there's good stuff for adults' around Vertigo, Alan Moore, Maus and the like was starting, but again it was still a very niche conversation.
And nowadays, not only do we know how creators vote, but you can also know what their asshole looks like if you're unfortunate enough to engage with them on Twitter. Literally and metaphorically, sadly.
But clearly the most damage done by fandom has been the amplifying of the voices of the worst of the worst of humanity, because fans are the worst and always have been. Not in terms of ordinary readers/watchers, but the SJW fan approach. Where liking something makes you feel like you have ownership over it, and if you're not getting exactly what you want the solution isn't to stop consuming a product that you no longer enjoy, but instead to fight and threaten and rewrite it so that it bends to your will.
Oddly enough, these toxic fans are much more represented on the anti-CG side than the CG side, though to be fair CG has its own spergs as well. They're just more likely to not buy something that doesn't appeal to them, rather than the anti-CGs who will not buy it but simultaneously insist it should be something that they would want to buy - if they bought anything.
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Those fucking scumbags consider all vets "Nazis" themselves, and consider themselves better than people who literally fought actual Nazis.
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The daughter has the right to look out for her father and her inheritance. This story was likely put out by the guy who's ya know, just stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars off of him.
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Stan's unhappiness would not surprise me. He has been doing the convention thing since the beginning and engaged with fans for decades as an ambassador for Marvel. Unlike many creators today, he went out of his way to make his customers feel like they matter. Todd McFarlane, Mr. Spawn himself, shared an anecdote of how he met Stan Lee at a convention in Florida as a teenager and Lee asked him to sit down and they talked while Lee autographed. I would argue Lee humanized the industry because he acted like he wanted to be your friend and showed appreciation to the people who loved the characters he created. Compare that complete shitheads like Chuck Wendig and Mark Waid who pretty much tell you to get lost if you criticize their work and complain about "organized" harassment if people don't kiss their asses.
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This was only shortly after Iron Man came out. I don’t know how he really felt because literally no one was allowed to interact with him. Maybe that’s how he wanted it but it was in stark contrast to everyone else.
For comparison, since she’s also elderly, Nichelle Nichols is an absolute delight and even now she enjoys talking with fans and going to conventions. She has to have help getting around but if you happen to meet her at one, it’s clear she wants to be there.
I’m more willing to believe based on past anecdotes that Stan Lee’s handlers are a lot of the problem and probably took advantage of him and soured him on it all.
For comparison, since she’s also elderly, Nichelle Nichols is an absolute delight and even now she enjoys talking with fans and going to conventions. She has to have help getting around but if you happen to meet her at one, it’s clear she wants to be there.
I’m more willing to believe based on past anecdotes that Stan Lee’s handlers are a lot of the problem and probably took advantage of him and soured him on it all.
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Nichelle Is a wonderful woman. I think she appreciates the reverence and love people have for her and doubly so as such a huge, actual pioneer in film and television.
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Because these people don't see Stan Lee as a person, not even as a living meme, but as a living trope. A literary device, if you will.