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I haven't even thought about Mundane Matt, except to use him as a punchline to my audience that one time. And when I did it, I knew it didn't land, because my audience didn't even know who he was. It's 2021.
#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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You must have embarrassed him harder than I thought if he's still trying to get a win over you after that one event
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I had to go digging but for a trip down memory lane, here's the clip of FROG making it into a Mister Metokur video. [Ballad of Mundane Matt]
The full stream mirrored on Youtube.
The two videos FROG did talking about Mundane Matt flagging his channel.
The infamous High Council episode where Mundane Matt joined and got annihilated.
Timestamp for Matt joining was 1:24:43, it should be embedded in the link.
Mister Dongs
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Alright time to right this ship.
https://web.archive.org/web/2018122...oral-history-of-the-warren-ellis-forum-part-i
The major divergence between this movement and the much later Comicsgate movement were, for one, the assigned cause of the decline. They blamed the overrepresentation of the superhero genre for stunting the industry and the medium as a whole, a topic regularly discussed on Ellis' newsletters (Avatar Press actually printed compilations of these online posts as Bad Signal). Another difference was the proposed remedy: adopting Trotskyite-inspired tactics of entryism and clandestinely elevating one another into positions within the comics industry, and from that position, introducing in existing properties a new wave of comics where angry 20-somethings smoke and espouse technobabble and progressive liberal values. Unshackled from the yoke that is the superhero genre, comics as a medium would reach all demographics instead of being held captive by the loathed "comic book reader" that they held themselves above.
Bad Signal, 2001
Time has not born this theory on the cause of the 90s collapse out. Starting with the Nolan Batman Franchise and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the superhero genre has grown to become the dominant genre in not just comics, but global media as a whole. Meanwhile Warren Ellis, over a career of three decades, has failed to secure a major adaptation of any his increasingly dated, adolescent cringe properties of chainsmoking hardasses giving exposition on how owning a smartphone = superpowers. Crunchyroll was going to do an adaptation of one of his webcomics, but this is in limbo after his decade of jacking off to fat chicks on 640x480p came to light. Far from being lauded as genre and medium liberators, the subversion attempted in the mainstream brands was largely panned as hackwork by untalented but connected people with no genuine appreciation of the character or world that they were handed. Suddenly, conforming to genre became a matter of keeping their means of employment and the thought of subverting anything faded into the background. Nick Spencer and Chip Zdarsky were eventually beaten into shape with extremely negative fan reaction to become serviceable cape comic writers and it is all Kelly Sue DeConnick can do to and try to appeal to existing Aquaman readers. Most just got a chain of thirst DMs from Warren Ellis for their trouble.
So they were called hacks and they became hacks. Small wonder that being told by Comicsgaters that the problems they formed in reaction to had only gotten worse since they started and their original ideas were completely backwards in the face of economic reality wasn't received well.
It's a bit of a mistake to think they haven't realized comics were on the decline - they reached that conclusion way back when Marvel declared bankruptcy at the end of the 1990s. Try to distinguish any of this rhetoric from 2018, coming from Sam Humphries, Matt Fraction or Heidi MacDonald describing the comic book industry in 2000, from how Richard Meyer or any number of early CG commentator describing the industry's then-current decline in 2018.
https://web.archive.org/web/2018122...oral-history-of-the-warren-ellis-forum-part-i
The major divergence between this movement and the much later Comicsgate movement were, for one, the assigned cause of the decline. They blamed the overrepresentation of the superhero genre for stunting the industry and the medium as a whole, a topic regularly discussed on Ellis' newsletters (Avatar Press actually printed compilations of these online posts as Bad Signal). Another difference was the proposed remedy: adopting Trotskyite-inspired tactics of entryism and clandestinely elevating one another into positions within the comics industry, and from that position, introducing in existing properties a new wave of comics where angry 20-somethings smoke and espouse technobabble and progressive liberal values. Unshackled from the yoke that is the superhero genre, comics as a medium would reach all demographics instead of being held captive by the loathed "comic book reader" that they held themselves above.
Bad Signal, 2001
Time has not born this theory on the cause of the 90s collapse out. Starting with the Nolan Batman Franchise and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the superhero genre has grown to become the dominant genre in not just comics, but global media as a whole. Meanwhile Warren Ellis, over a career of three decades, has failed to secure a major adaptation of any his increasingly dated, adolescent cringe properties of chainsmoking hardasses giving exposition on how owning a smartphone = superpowers. Crunchyroll was going to do an adaptation of one of his webcomics, but this is in limbo after his decade of jacking off to fat chicks on 640x480p came to light. Far from being lauded as genre and medium liberators, the subversion attempted in the mainstream brands was largely panned as hackwork by untalented but connected people with no genuine appreciation of the character or world that they were handed. Suddenly, conforming to genre became a matter of keeping their means of employment and the thought of subverting anything faded into the background. Nick Spencer and Chip Zdarsky were eventually beaten into shape with extremely negative fan reaction to become serviceable cape comic writers and it is all Kelly Sue DeConnick can do to and try to appeal to existing Aquaman readers. Most just got a chain of thirst DMs from Warren Ellis for their trouble.
So they were called hacks and they became hacks. Small wonder that being told by Comicsgaters that the problems they formed in reaction to had only gotten worse since they started and their original ideas were completely backwards in the face of economic reality wasn't received well.
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I guess there aren't enough people who give a crap about CG to get a magazine off the ground even with a 3 1/2 hour launch stream from Froggy. Hail Comicsgate. lol
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Problems with Rokit:
1: The cover sucks
2: Business model of paying for fluff piece print magazines died with the advent of the web over two decades ago
3: Comicsgate's entire marketing strategy is specifically based around not needing traditional media channels
4: Any really valuable preview content or tutorials would logically be put on the indie creators' channels and not behind a paywall.
5: Steve Dye is a literal nobody outside of Warcampaign; Hocky or that Andy gremlin that hangs around Well Read's show could probably pull rank on his ass
6: KF CG thread does a better job at providing relevant information on Comicsgate than Steve Dye ever could, is free, readers can even participate in it if they want to
1: The cover sucks
2: Business model of paying for fluff piece print magazines died with the advent of the web over two decades ago
3: Comicsgate's entire marketing strategy is specifically based around not needing traditional media channels
4: Any really valuable preview content or tutorials would logically be put on the indie creators' channels and not behind a paywall.
5: Steve Dye is a literal nobody outside of Warcampaign; Hocky or that Andy gremlin that hangs around Well Read's show could probably pull rank on his ass
6: KF CG thread does a better job at providing relevant information on Comicsgate than Steve Dye ever could, is free, readers can even participate in it if they want to
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I really thought it was another 'ha-ha, look how silly our in house Muppet Cecil is' comic. So, 120 pages of endless fluff? The cover does look like dog shit. Go look at an old Wizard cover and now look at that. There's no comparison. Ok, but its 120 pages. What could it really offer that isn't in streams and here? Checked out the question section, some international people asking for digital, but of course the issue with that is then content provided would end up put out on the net.
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7. How relavant will any info be in a magazine that'll you receive a year or two after you buy it.
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Agreed on all points.
I like the idea of doing a replica of WIZARD magazine as a one off collectible for ComicsGate, but it has to be much better planned than this. We need an explosive, kick ass cover, art lessons, definitive interviews, polybagged with a trading card, maybe...it needs to be an annual program for ComicsGate that is worth buying. It needs to be FUN.
The fact that it's Steve Dye doesn't matter. He can design the magazine, he can collect the profits. But it has to be cooler than this.
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Iron Man 3 was partly based on Ellis's Extremis story. Which sucked way harder than the movie did.
And, let's be frank, their solution sucked harder than a fat crazy goth chick on a Warren Ellis fan meet...
The 80's indies and Vertigo in the 90's was doing that already and with some success. And a lot of it came from outside the comicshop. So, instead of creating a parallel market of Graphic novels pitched to major publishers or indie labels fascilitating distribution to bookstores, they instead chose to usurp an industry that was already focused on capecuck comics for smelly manchildren and elevate it to another industry.
No wonder why they failed so hard...
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ROK!T is aimed at dedicated ComicsGate supporters but it isn't offering them anything that they wouldn't pick up from loitering in the vicinity of a 4-hour plus livestream, hosted by what the late, great Mark E. Smith would have referred to as "The League of Bald Headed Men."
You have to give these people something that they can't get on YouTube: A magazine rammed to the gills with no-holds-barred slash fiction featuring the IPs and the creators of ComicsGate, for example.
A 'Studs of ComicsGate' centrefold presenting, for argument's sake, Ethan Van Sciver, naked apart from a pair of assless Speedos and a studded leather gauntlet, reclining on a pallet lifter outside his warehouse, might tap into a heretofore unknown gay subculture and attract a few morbidly curious souls.
Other than that it would be the usual trappings of Playboy / Penthouse before they went woke: A sex-themed agony uncle column titled 'Blue Lines'. Readers letters about how they hooked up at Wyoming ComicCon. Adverts for blow-up Cyberfrog dolls. Zack's lawncare column, etc.
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Wouldn't it be more lucrative to start a betting pool on ya Boi zacks suicide? He's failed so miserably at everything even Troy paypiggons doesn't fuck with him anymore.
I'm putting $20 on Christmas when his kids unwrap their dead dad from Santa.
That cover is Comicsgate revisionism in a nutshell. But the best part? No Dickie Meyers.
Oof
Even Wizard had exclusives. Comic inserts. It launched with a Todd McFarlane cover. This is like launching Wizard in the 90s....with a cover from Andy Kubert.
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Jesus Christ, dude. That's uncalled for.
But go ahead and put me down for $10 on Christmas if he STILL doesn't have The Expendables out by then.
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Lmao this has gone into Mitch the bitch territory. If it wasn't for EVS propping Richard up weekend at bernies style people would have revolted long ago.Jesus Christ, dude. That's uncalled for.
But go ahead and put me down for $10 on Christmas if he STILL doesn't have The Expendables out by then.
The biggest loser here is Sly who trusted this bozo with his IP and got royally boned. I have hired artists before and they have said "this will take years" okay. I'm fine with that. They told me up front how long it would take.
He's crippled the jawbreakers series every month this grifting shitshow goes on the less money its going to get in future campaigns.
I bought all of Richard's original work, but I learned from Mitch Breitweiser that you can't trust these faggots to do a God damned thing they say. So fuck Richard, fuck Mitch.
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I think EVS is at the limit for how much he can help Richard. I mean, the "gay furry trans comic" beat out 499 in crowdfunding these recent three times.
Hey, I don't make the rules around here. I'm just adhering to Ethan's. Per Ethan, Richard is in trouble. You can distill that from everything else he's said.
Of course, I'm also compelled to mention that ultimately none of that matters. Because with Liam as the King of Comicsgate, I expect a full reenactment of Jonestown any day now. Thank God I'm not living in the CG commune, and I hate Flavor Aid.
It's not over until people have it in their hands.
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I forgot all about Mitch. How's that walmart thing going?
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At my local Walmart they are still there collecting dust. Only you really have to dig to find them as Mitch is taking forever to come out with the third issue of each of his books.
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Preston did a video in March where he claimed Walmart marked all the AA books down to $0.50.
I don't believe PP as far as I can throw him. The guy not only eats shit, but is full of it.
However, it's worth noting that Walmart could ship me Red Rooster #2 for $4.98, if I wanted it. Having worked in retail before, I know a .98 or .97 usually means they're looking to clear out that SKU and don't want or expect a reorder.
Edit to add: I am probably going to WalMart later in the week for groceries. If I see them there, I'll snap a picture and share it here. I'll also make a note of the price.
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