#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Captain Manning]

Oh fuck.
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I want to laugh at this, but instead I find it actually pretty depressing. I have fond memories of EWJ.

Credit where it's due, TenNapel has openly admitted that he signed off on a really crappy deal over the Earthworm Jim rights when he was young, and that the fault for that rests solely with him. I think it was on one of Rekieta's shows a couple of years back. He was asked whether he'd try and regain ownership, and he said no. So, if he sticks to his free market "a deal is a deal even if you regret it" philosophy, he might not cry as hard as the SJWs think he will.

This is why you own things in the vein of George Lucas (until selling out to Disney), or Hayao Miyazaki. If you don't retain control over your own creations, some talentless hack waiting the wings will most assuredly run in into the ground. Sometimes with a lame social agenda.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Doug, but I don't recall EWJ ever really being an outlet for his shitty takes and bad optics.

It wasn't. It was a pretty fun video game. I hacked my SNES Classic and put it on there.

So, even if Doug is an asshole, this is nothing really to laugh at for me. It's actually pretty shameless and cringe.

 

[GranDuke]

Its weird how views of fictional character that "he" wrote on twitter are now a thing.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

Dull, repetitive, uninspired, and unfunny. The numbers are dwindling. Perhaps it's time to turn someone into the next villain du jour?

I guess you aren't realizing this is also Thanksgiving week so viewership is going to be down. But keep up the anti-CG narrative. Proof his views are still the same

 

[Rupin]

I want to laugh at this, but instead I find it actually pretty depressing. I have fond memories of EWJ.

Credit where it's due, TenNapel has openly admitted that he signed off on a really crappy deal over the Earthworm Jim rights when he was young, and that the fault for that rests solely with him. I think it was on one of Rekieta's shows a couple of years back. He was asked whether he'd try and regain ownership, and he said no. So, if he sticks to his free market "a deal is a deal even if you regret it" philosophy, he might not cry as hard as the SJWs think he will.

This is why you own things in the vein of George Lucas (until selling out to Disney), or Hayao Miyazaki. If you don't retain control over your own creations, some talentless hack waiting the wings will most assuredly run in into the ground. Sometimes with a lame social agenda.


It wasn't. It was a pretty fun video game. I hacked my SNES Classic and put it on there.

So, even if Doug is an asshole, this is nothing really to laugh at for me. It's actually pretty shameless and cringe.

this New iteration of EWJ is looking to be a train wreck already,

 

[ay2kay]

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate? I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas from other things I was thinking about fleshing out with a writer buddy of mine. Is comicsgate to you a real solid foundation for new talent trying to prove themselves and a place for them to make their mark in some industry or is it too risky and unpredictable or oversaturated now to pursue? I'm kind of worried that my preconceived notions of it from watching videos and streams has given me the wrong impression about it. I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers) and I work fulltime as a printer right now (but only as an operator).

Is comicsgate worth pursuing and contributing to as a newb or should I look for experience in some professional industry field for a couple of years first?

 

[Least Concern]

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate? I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas from other things I was thinking about fleshing out with a writer buddy of mine. Is comicsgate to you a real solid foundation for new talent trying to prove themselves and a place for them to make their mark in some industry or is it too risky and unpredictable or oversaturated now to pursue? I'm kind of worried that my preconceived notions of it from watching videos and streams has given me the wrong impression about it. I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers) and I work fulltime as a printer right now (but only as an operator).

Is comicsgate worth pursuing and contributing to as a newb or should I look for experience in some professional industry field for a couple of years first?

IANA comics market expert, but I think Tim Lim has the right approach. Do crowdfunding campaigns on IGG and don't be openly hostile to the ComicsGate market (or anyone else), but don't actually go on the streams and get caught up in the drama and spergery. Instead, finish and fulfill your book on time. Doing that the first time will show you to be a reliable campaign fulfiller. Do it a second time and you'll be in the god tier of "ComicsGate-adjacent creators."

It also leaves you plausible deniability for both you and the company if you eventually want to get a gig in the mainstream industry. "Yeah, I released comics on IndieGoGo, but I wasn't ComicsGate! I never went on any of their streams or anything…" No use burning a bridge which hasn't even been built yet.

It's sad that it's come to this, but it's how it is, from my opinion; CG is better as a corpse to steal ideas from than a sword and shield to wield against the industry.

 

[The Coon]

IANA comics market expert, but I think Tim Lim has the right approach. Do crowdfunding campaigns on IGG and don't be openly hostile to the ComicsGate market (or anyone else), but don't actually go on the streams and get caught up in the drama and spergery. Instead, finish and fulfill your book on time. Doing that the first time will show you to be a reliable campaign fulfiller. Do it a second time and you'll be in the god tier of "ComicsGate-adjacent creators."

It also leaves you the out for both you and the company if you eventually want to get a gig in the mainstream industry. "Yeah, I released comics on IndieGoGo, but I wasn't ComicsGate! I never went on any of their streams or anything…"

It's sad that it's come to this, but it's how it is, from my opinion; CG is better as a corpse to steal ideas from than a sword and shield to wield against the industry.

Im not a creator, so do what you want with this. If you do go on streams to promote, I would try and find people who do more traditional interview style streams instead of the streams that have some topic and promote your book on the side("SJWs did something bad w/ @ay2kay talking about his comic"). That way there are not clips of you having the wrong opinion in the eyes of the industry and it's easier to claim you didn't know they were CG and you were just promoting your comic. Also, try and use both Kickstarter and Indiegogo.

 

[jspit2.0]

I want to laugh at this, but instead I find it actually pretty depressing. I have fond memories of EWJ.

Credit where it's due, TenNapel has openly admitted that he signed off on a really crappy deal over the Earthworm Jim rights when he was young, and that the fault for that rests solely with him. I think it was on one of Rekieta's shows a couple of years back. He was asked whether he'd try and regain ownership, and he said no. So, if he sticks to his free market "a deal is a deal even if you regret it" philosophy, he might not cry as hard as the SJWs think he will.

This is why you own things in the vein of George Lucas (until selling out to Disney), or Hayao Miyazaki. If you don't retain control over your own creations, some talentless hack waiting the wings will most assuredly run in into the ground. Sometimes with a lame social agenda.


It wasn't. It was a pretty fun video game. I hacked my SNES Classic and put it on there.

So, even if Doug is an asshole, this is nothing really to laugh at for me. It's actually pretty shameless and cringe.

It really is. Doug's apparently taking it well though.

He's making cuddly faces with Ro, shilling his NFTs, and continuing to pretend to give a fuck about politics.

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate? I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas from other things I was thinking about fleshing out with a writer buddy of mine. Is comicsgate to you a real solid foundation for new talent trying to prove themselves and a place for them to make their mark in some industry or is it too risky and unpredictable or oversaturated now to pursue? I'm kind of worried that my preconceived notions of it from watching videos and streams has given me the wrong impression about it. I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers) and I work fulltime as a printer right now (but only as an operator).

Is comicsgate worth pursuing and contributing to as a newb or should I look for experience in some professional industry field for a couple of years first?

It depends. Are you a true believer? Are you ready for it to completely fall flat? Go in with your eyes wide open and know that your looking at low chances of success and that once you declare yourself Comicsgate you will be branded with it for the foreseeable future.

Good to know the show isn't even out and it's already political. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Doug, but I don't recall EWJ ever really being an outlet for his shitty takes and bad optics. So the fact that they are doing this (probably) to spite Doug is just a death sentence to another boring, unwitty, cash-in-on-old-IP series.

Well, its pay-to-play. They have this dried up IP and want to get money. Hell, this may even have not been the big guys at Interplay. It was probably some woke twenty something danger hair they pay in bagels and cat food to run the account.

They likely don't care. They just want to make money and milk their fifteen minutes of fame from the 90s.

 

[Mecha II]

I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas

If these idea include either a book about a werewolf, or a female lead you will likely find an audience in ComicsGate. Join the club!

In all seriousness if you have the means to make a book by all means go for it. Whatever CG is (or however you like to define it), at the very least it means almost anyone can try and make their book, youtube about it, and put it on Indiegogo.

I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers)

You sound more qualified than the average CG creator already.

Credit where it's due, TenNapel has openly admitted that he signed off on a really crappy deal over the Earthworm Jim rights when he was young, and that the fault for that rests solely with him.

I don't think Doug cares what they do with EWJ. He's been dealing with dumb shit like this for years. When the Amico thing got announced, Doug made an appearance with the original EWJ crew and that was about it. I think he'd rather the crew not have to take the SJW heat rounds for his involvement and get a chance to create their own thing.

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It seems as if this TV show could exist solely to spite Doug. There's an "Interview with Jim" for the upcoming show. "Jim" claims he spent 25 years in rehab and had something of an identity crisis. Are these comments swipes at Doug or advanced apologetics perhaps? At the least the animation and production values look like there's been an earnest monetary investment in the project.

I would be curious to know if Launch the Cow's crowdfunding numbers were looked at as part of the pitch and development of this new show. Did the success of Doug's books attract investors? Was anyone asking for a TV show?

 

[Rupin]

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate? I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas from other things I was thinking about fleshing out with a writer buddy of mine. Is comicsgate to you a real solid foundation for new talent trying to prove themselves and a place for them to make their mark in some industry or is it too risky and unpredictable or oversaturated now to pursue? I'm kind of worried that my preconceived notions of it from watching videos and streams has given me the wrong impression about it. I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers) and I work fulltime as a printer right now (but only as an operator).

Is comicsgate worth pursuing and contributing to as a newb or should I look for experience in some professional industry field for a couple of years first?

Back when CG was just starting yes it would have been a good idea. But, now you will just get lost in the shuffle. What would benefit you most greatly is learning how to market your project and create a buzz around it. This is why new creators want to get on Frog’s show to get more eyes on their books. But whether you go CG or strike out on your own, you are still responsible for letting people know about your project.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate?

If you try launching a comic as a CG product, unless there is an extensive marketing campaign, you're only going to be making a few thousand bucks, and that's if you're lucky.

What you should do is have the book completely done before you launch it. If the book is over 80 pages, break them up into chapters and sell them through places like Amazon, Comixology, Indy Planet and any other place where you can publish online and still make a little money and expose your product to the people.

And once it is available to purchase, you begin your marketing campaign on various forms of social media with links leading to the areas to buy it.

And if it looks popular and it garners fans, compile your chapters into an omnibus and launch a crowdfund on IGG & Kickstarter simultaneously so you get both markets.

What you have to do is flip the script and try to be better than CG. Unless you're an ex industry professional or friends with them, there really is no point of declaring yourself Comicsgate, you just paint a target on yourself for destruction, not only for SJWs, but for the people within CG itself.

If your comic is good enough, try shopping it around to publishers too, you never know.

 

[Indelable]

Is this the end of #ComicsGate ? Now that IndiGoGo and GoFundMe have decided to set up a Joint Screening Board ,

 

[Greed]

Is this the end of #ComicsGate ? Now that IndiGoGo and GoFundMe have decided to set up a Joint Screening Board ,

Not nessicarily. Tucci gets his stuff past KickStarter's sniffers regularly. GoFundMe just lifted the ban on all Rittenhouse fundraisers in leu of the acquittals. Camilla Zhang wants Frog's dick.

Walls are coming down.

 

[Ike Aim]

ComicsGate Kings isn't about making fun of a "villain"

That's a shame because you've had a potential one doing his California Penal System best to ensure you remain amphibian non grata just as recently as a few days ago. And this is a particularly unhinged potential villain. Just look at those eyes. They have that I-like-to-say-I'm-not-into-drama-but-I-never-forget-"disrespect"-and-I'll-be-relentlessly-passive-aggressive-about-it-even-half-a-year-later look to them (wait a sec... that's not how they handle shit in prison, is it?). On the other hand, how does one defeat an enemy skilled in the dark arts of pre-internet psychological and social warfare honed through years of 12-Step meetings? "I know Ike, let's have a spelling contest", you might say. That would definitely stop him deader than a hammer, but at what cost? Perhaps it's best just to let this one slide...

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

Is this the end of #ComicsGate ? Now that IndiGoGo and GoFundMe have decided to set up a Joint Screening Board ,

IGG always screened campaigns before transferring funds to creators. This decision just moves that process to the start. I'd rather be rejected on day one than after sixty days of campaigning.

 

[Brother Maynard]

I guess you aren't realizing this is also Thanksgiving week so viewership is going to be down. But keep up the anti-CG narrative. Proof his views are still the same
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Stop sucking Frog balls.
I still watch. Not as religiously as I used to, but I still watch and my criticism is valid: It's just not as much fun as it used to be.

That Nerdrotic was from yesterday? Boy, he's not letting go of Ethan talking crap about his crew, is he? Frog really let his ego get him into a Smiller Pickle with the more successful YouTubers in this niche market. Possibly the dumbest business decision he's ever made.

Anyone remember when Frog had a bigger audience than Gary?

It was October 2019, Peperidge Farm remembers.

Frog, it's time for an intervention. You need to get on your fat little knees and kiss Gary's ass and beg him to take you back into the Fandom Menace. You're dying out here, and you're taking all your friends with you into obscurity, while FNT continues to grow month after month, eclipsing your subscriber count and going for a 3x. How is it Gary can do almost nothing but livestreams and keep growing his audience, while you have sat there at the 130-140 range for over TWO YEARS? Get back on that horse, fat man! Do some INTERESTING content! Stop making every stream a shill stream, and get some of those Youtube nerds to follow you instead! You can do it! You've done it before, now do it again!

Make Comicsgate Great Again!

 

[Mister Dongs]

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate?

What really determines if you succeed or not (at least in the beginning stages) is you find an audience to sell your work to or not, either within or without Comicsgate. The leading IGG comic crowdfund this month, God's'Dog by Orthodox Christian iconographer Johnathan Pageau, has raised $125,000 by deliberately copying Frog's model through building a youtube audience base around Christian symbolic interpretation and, once big enough, launching a campaign on Indiegogo. Within Comicsgate offers the possibility of a support network of creators and the chance of selling to other people's audience, but it's increasingly competitive out there for a shrinking backer dollar and people with platforms are getting more and more wary of staking their credibility on creators without an pre-established track record (like yourself). Doubly so for the customers themselves, who over the years of guys like Mitch B are getting a nose for sniffing out people out for their money but "aren't really one of them". Before you could get away with only having one of these things, less so these days. Again, whether you find an audiences within or without CG, the point is you need an audience.

The only reason you should do Comicsgate if you feel Comicsgate deep within your heart and feel the need to sperg and troll and do dumb shit online, like I do, which is even gayer.

 

[The Holmes]

I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate? I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas from other things I was thinking about fleshing out with a writer buddy of mine. Is comicsgate to you a real solid foundation for new talent trying to prove themselves and a place for them to make their mark in some industry or is it too risky and unpredictable or oversaturated now to pursue? I'm kind of worried that my preconceived notions of it from watching videos and streams has given me the wrong impression about it. I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers) and I work fulltime as a printer right now (but only as an operator).

Is comicsgate worth pursuing and contributing to as a newb or should I look for experience in some professional industry field for a couple of years first?

I'm not an expert in art/business bullshit but when it comes to CG, I would suggest you just don't. Like Dongs said, if you aren't a troll and wanna do dumb shit online, maybe you wanna start up your ambitions elsewhere. Mostly due to the fact that CG is a collective of individuals who's autism and gay ops threatens to bend the very fabric of reality. You have shining stars of autism, then you have bright, burning supernovas around, especially the individuals that makeup War Campaign. Point is, you fart in the wrong direction, and the next thing you know a couple of assholes are tossing around obviously doctored messages claiming you're a child enthusiast or some other gay shit.

I suppose your willingness to do business in CG depends on your own tolerance for raging faggotry within the community.

 

[Captain Manning]

IANA comics market expert, but I think Tim Lim has the right approach. Do crowdfunding campaigns on IGG and don't be openly hostile to the ComicsGate market (or anyone else), but don't actually go on the streams and get caught up in the drama and spergery. Instead, finish and fulfill your book on time. Doing that the first time will show you to be a reliable campaign fulfiller. Do it a second time and you'll be in the god tier of "ComicsGate-adjacent creators."

It also leaves you plausible deniability for both you and the company if you eventually want to get a gig in the mainstream industry. "Yeah, I released comics on IndieGoGo, but I wasn't ComicsGate! I never went on any of their streams or anything…" No use burning a bridge which hasn't even been built yet.

Tim bombed the "bridge to the mainstream" into the ravine when he did Trump books. Also, KA pokes fun at SJWs without the overt political angle.

Tim won't ever be getting into mainstream. "They" won't let him. Not without a nearly complete purge of the industry.

Thing is, I'm 99.9% sure he doesn't give a shit, and wouldn't even try. Nor should he. The closest he came was the deal with AP. He's doing just fine with the way he's been doing things. He's the proof that you can make it on your own with a little elbow grease.

Did the success of Doug's books attract investors? Was anyone asking for a TV show?

I can only share my own observations, but what I can tell you is that I forgot EWJ even existed until I saw Doug on livestream and found out he was the creator of EWJ. I liked the game when I was a kid, but my memories of it became a bit fuzzy since the 90s. Doug brought them back.

So, yes, I would say that this is happening because Doug revived the property through his books, and put his face out there.

This latest development just goes to show that CG isn't wrong about how SJWs take over and ruin things, and the importance of maintaining control of your own IP. The problem with CG is their own internal politics and methodology are ridiculous in another way. One ruins pre-existing shit, and the other is incompetent when it comes to offering an alternative.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Remember when evs said he wont have people that arent very social... yea i guess that doesnt count for the washed up pros, but evs said lots of shit, so no surprise he is not true to his words.

Yeah but I also remember how it turned out, with a bunch of jokers who got a lot of spotlight so everyone could get a view of them shitting the bed with the backers' money and their sponsor's name. What's better, an easy sell that will later very publicly tarnish your credibility or a hard sell that in the future at least you know won't rip off your audience and actually fulfill? "Comicsgate Kings" is a mixed bag; it suffers a lot of the problems any program bloated with non-interesting personalities has. On the other hand, it does ground Frog's viewership towards people who are interested in comics and adds much needed credibility with the addition of established professionals who have fulfilled multiple campaigns in the past.

If you're only making youtube then it doesn't matter why the audience is there but if you're looking to sell comics, your audience needs to be interested in comics. For example, Yellowflash has spent two weeks now trying to lift up Joe Ball's DEATH DEATH DEATH campaign on his channel that is sitting at 300K subscribers, nearly three times Frog's subcount. Yet despite that, the campaign is sitting at $17,409, an increase of ~$1600 which is, uh, not good, especially for Ball's 300 page frenetic magnum opus. Why the difference in result? I think it's pretty straightforward - Flash's audience isn't interested in comics.