#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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ay2kay said:
I know It's gay to ask but I have been drinking, do you guys think there's any point in pursuing creating your own graphic novel within comicsgate? I do have an art background and have a couple of sort-of developed ideas from other things I was thinking about fleshing out with a writer buddy of mine. Is comicsgate to you a real solid foundation for new talent trying to prove themselves and a place for them to make their mark in some industry or is it too risky and unpredictable or oversaturated now to pursue? I'm kind of worried that my preconceived notions of it from watching videos and streams has given me the wrong impression about it. I do have a merchandising background (prepress and print experience for stuff like posters, t-shirts and hats etc, ordering from suppliers) and I work fulltime as a printer right now (but only as an operator).

Is comicsgate worth pursuing and contributing to as a newb or should I look for experience in some professional industry field for a couple of years first?
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In order to launch a campaign you need to put it before people interested in it. This is the hard part (assuming the product is good).
CG used to have that audience built into it and you can probably go in there and utilize it, if you are comfortable putting a good show and you really care about some of its tenets.
At the same time you also burn a lot of bridges.

So, my question is: do you care about what CG claims to represent?
 
Captain Manning said:
I can only share my own observations, but what I can tell you is that I forgot EWJ even existed until I saw Doug on livestream and found out he was the creator of EWJ. I liked the game when I was a kid, but my memories of it became a bit fuzzy since the 90s. Doug brought them back.

So, yes, I would say that this is happening because Doug revived the property through his books, and put his face out there.

This latest development just goes to show that CG isn't wrong about how SJWs take over and ruin things, and the importance of maintaining control of your own IP. The problem with CG is their own internal politics and methodology are ridiculous in another way. One ruins pre-existing shit, and the other is incompetent when it comes to offering an alternative.
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For what it's worth, twitter antics aside, I watched that mock interview they did with Jim and it didn't raise any red flags. His personality seemed on point and the animation looked really nice. There's still a huge chance it'll be woke, but just from what we've been shown so far there's a slim chance it could be decent. If EWJ means anything to you it might be worth checking out an episode or two and reporting back to us.

Besides, it's perfectly reasonable for a worm to love trans people. 40% of them become his food.
 
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Greed said:
Besides, it's perfectly reasonable for a worm to love trans people. Something like 40% of them will become his food.
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Earthworms are also hermaphrodites. They quite literally can transition to either gender for reproduction purposes.

Actually, I suppose I'd have to give them some credit if they ended up emphasizing that scientific fact, but I'm not sure they're that smart. They'd probably do this with any character. Not to mention that it's not directly applicable to trooning out.
 
Ike Aim said:
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That's a shame because you've had a potential one doing his California Penal System best to ensure you remain amphibian non grata just as recently as a few days ago. And this is a particularly unhinged potential villain. Just look at those eyes. They have that I-like-to-say-I'm-not-into-drama-but-I-never-forget-"disrespect"-and-I'll-be-relentlessly-passive-aggressive-about-it-even-half-a-year-later look to them (wait a sec... that's not how they handle shit in prison, is it?). On the other hand, how does one defeat an enemy skilled in the dark arts of pre-internet psychological and social warfare honed through years of 12-Step meetings? "I know Ike, let's have a spelling contest", you might say. That would definitely stop him deader than a hammer, but at what cost? Perhaps it's best just to let this one slide...
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Oh the seethe!

Mister Dongs said:
What really determines if you succeed or not (at least in the beginning stages) is you find an audience to sell your work to or not, either within or without Comicsgate. The leading IGG comic crowdfund this month, God's'Dog by Orthodox Christian iconographer Johnathan Pageau, has raised $125,000 by deliberately copying Frog's model through building a youtube audience base around Christian symbolic interpretation and, once big enough, launching a campaign on Indiegogo. Within Comicsgate offers the possibility of a support network of creators and the chance of selling to other people's audience, but it's increasingly competitive out there for a shrinking backer dollar and people with platforms are getting more and more wary of staking their credibility on creators without an pre-established track record (like yourself). Doubly so for the customers themselves, who over the years of guys like Mitch B are getting a nose for sniffing out people out for their money but "aren't really one of them". Before you could get away with only having one of these things, less so these days. Again, whether you find an audiences within or without CG, the point is you need an audience.

The only reason you should do Comicsgate if you feel Comicsgate deep within your heart and feel the need to sperg and troll and do dumb shit online, like I do, which is even gayer.
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Hallelujah!
 
Mister Dongs said:
"Comicsgate Kings" is a mixed bag; it suffers a lot of the problems any program bloated with non-interesting personalities has. On the other hand, it does ground Frog's viewership towards people who are interested in comics and adds much needed credibility with the addition of established professionals who have fulfilled multiple campaigns in the past.
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One of my favorite things about Comicsgate Kings is watching Aaron Lopresti sitting there stone silent with his hand over his mouth while people talk about dicks, trannies, anal sex, incest, drug binges, and Witten's other hobbies.

He is visibly uncomfortable with the proceedings most of the time but he's thrown his lot in with CG and has to sit through it to sell books. Poor guy.
 
Miniluv said:
One of my favorite things about Comicsgate Kings is watching Aaron Lopresti sitting there stone silent with his hand over his mouth while people talk about dicks, trannies, anal sex, incest, drug binges, and Witten's other hobbies.

He is visibly uncomfortable with the proceedings most of the time but he's thrown his lot in with CG and has to sit through it to sell books. Poor guy.
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I strongly suspect that's an act he puts on for his wife.
 
Mister Dongs said:
Flash's audience isn't interested in comics.
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Just felt like elaborating more on this shit since I observed most of weeb wars go down. Rekieta, Tug, Flash, all of them grew their audience from sjw hating weebs. As most folks know, that was bolstered by a well known voice actor getting smacked by MeToo accusations. All of these YouTubers suffered to a degree after the failed hearing and the weeb wars shit died down. SJW hating weebs are only interested in sjw hating content. Tug manages to sell his shit comic but we know what his YouTube is tailored too. Rekieta lost streamer views (Though lately he's obviously doing well) because weebs aren't interested in law talk, they only gave a shit about the Vic Mignogna case.

Yellow Flash was able to continue on despite being a part of the wave of YouTubers who stood at Daddy Rekieta's tableside waiting for scraps so they could parrot shit everyone else already knew. Flash was still able to grow an audience and continue on - from my own assumption of the fact that he himself is a weeb and can relate to the fanbase watching. One thing I do know, aside from a few exceptions, is that most of these weebs gave 0 shits about Comicsgate outside of shitting on Renfamous. Flash should have taken this into consideration before he tried to make a comic.
 
Greed said:
I strongly suspect that's an act he puts on for his wife.
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I don't know. CG is pretty rancid for normal Jesus is King people I bet.

The Holmes said:
Just felt like elaborating more on this shit since I observed most of weeb wars go down. Rekieta, Tug, Flash, all of them grew their audience from sjw hating weebs. As most folks know, that was bolstered by a well known voice actor getting smacked by MeToo accusations. All of these YouTubers suffered to a degree after the failed hearing and the weeb wars shit died down. SJW hating weebs are only interested in sjw hating content. Tug manages to sell his shit comic but we know what his YouTube is tailored too. Rekieta lost streamer views (Though lately he's obviously doing well) because weebs aren't interested in law talk, they only gave a shit about the Vic Mignogna case.
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He's picked up Rittenhouse people during the trial and now that that is over he'll hop onto the next grift. He eyed the Trump shit and has tried to dip a toe in there, but it bit him in the ass as I reported on earlier.

Im glad they got blowback from their shit. Either Ty Beard and company lied and Vic didn't have a slam case or, alternatively, they took a sure thing and lost it.

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Yellow Flash was able to continue on despite being a part of the wave of YouTubers who stood at Daddy Rekieta's tableside waiting for scraps so they could parrot shit everyone else already knew. Flash was still able to grow an audience and continue on - from my own assumption of the fact that he himself is a weeb and can relate to the fanbase watching. One thing I do know, aside from a few exceptions, is that most of these weebs gave 0 shits about Comicsgate outside of shitting on Renfamous. Flash should have taken this into consideration before he tried to make a comic.
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You have to train your audience. Ethan, Richard, and other first wave CGers tied buying the comic to owning the SJWs. Which is why the disconnect happened when Ethan and company ditched that.
 
jspit2.0 said:
I guess, from what I've read he wasn't cutting Beard any slack. But I also read that Ty wasn't prepared enough too.
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You're also talking about a judge who thought a negative Yelp review about an auto repair shop constituted as defamation, which the Appeals courts reversed.
 
Mister Dongs said:
Yeah but I also remember how it turned out, with a bunch of jokers who got a lot of spotlight so everyone could get a view of them shitting the bed with the backers' money and their sponsor's name. What's better, an easy sell that will later very publicly tarnish your credibility or a hard sell that in the future at least you know won't rip off your audience and actually fulfill? "Comicsgate Kings" is a mixed bag; it suffers a lot of the problems any program bloated with non-interesting personalities has. On the other hand, it does ground Frog's viewership towards people who are interested in comics and adds much needed credibility with the addition of established professionals who have fulfilled multiple campaigns in the past.

If you're only making youtube then it doesn't matter why the audience is there but if you're looking to sell comics, your audience needs to be interested in comics. For example, Yellowflash has spent two weeks now trying to lift up Joe Ball's DEATH DEATH DEATH campaign on his channel that is sitting at 300K subscribers, nearly three times Frog's subcount. Yet despite that, the campaign is sitting at $17,409, an increase of ~$1600 which is, uh, not good, especially for Ball's 300 page frenetic magnum opus. Why the difference in result? I think it's pretty straightforward - Flash's audience isn't interested in comics.
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Nominations for the 'Literal Who Before CG' category for those who have managed to parley the most out of their CG experience?

I'll go first:
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Miniluv said:
One of my favorite things about Comicsgate Kings is watching Aaron Lopresti sitting there stone silent with his hand over his mouth while people talk about dicks, trannies, anal sex, incest, drug binges, and Witten's other hobbies.

He is visibly uncomfortable with the proceedings most of the time but he's thrown his lot in with CG and has to sit through it to sell books. Poor guy.
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I don't know, Lopresti is very (very) slowly starting to loosen up. For his part, Jon Malin knew he was in a classier set of company than he usually he is (including the venerable Mike Baron) and heroically restrained himself to only two dog penis jokes for the whole of the stream.

I went ahead and picked apart the latest episode, here's what I think of the whole Comicsgate Kings program

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  • I can't deny that as a platform to sell comics, the show is a success. But as far as a program to elevate other personalities within Comicsgate, or even augment the entertainment value of Frog's streams, its merits are questionable. Frog typically dominates the show by speaking more than the other 8 panelists combined and the entire affair takes on the airs of a French salon where a rich duchess (Frog) indulges in genial small talk (last show's topics: the Kyle Rittenhouse trial and the latest Ghostbusters movie) against a sounding board made up of his favorite conversation guests.
  • If CG Kings is going to be more dynamic in nature (after all, the chat is a much more effective and direct sounding board), then either a) Frog will have to step back a bit, which necessitates these guys stepping up with topics and material and not filling it with dead air, b) less guests so that guests will be able to get more than a few minutes of speaking time in a 2-3 hour span or c) run in 5-6 hour long stretches so that each personality has sufficient time to get established, like with the marathon streams with Flashcasts, Midnight's Edge or FNT. But since everyone involved is old and late on their projects as is, that last one isn't really an option.
  • Aaron Lopresti remains hilariously arch-conservative, his most passionate moments on the panel are things like him going off the generic anti-SJW rhetoric trail to start railing bitterly about how the Lyndon B Johnson administration ruined America and sounding like someone still mad that the John Birch society collapsed. This is opposed to Frog's own pro-McCarthyist leanings, which come across more like what he decided was the "most fun" kind of conservative to LARP as.
  • Against all odds, Andy Smith and Art Thibert are actually starting to develop nascent comedic timing with each other. It's hard to see, but it's there.
  • If Mike Baron is going to be on, maybe hold it on at a earlier time when he's fresh. Old fucker looks asleep on his feet. Still, given half the chance (like on an interview on Mandy Summers' show), the man is a walking encyclopedia of action films and narrative and story structure techniques. Something that could be of benefit to some of the people he's on a show with. Or, y'know, all of them.

The Holmes said:
Just felt like elaborating more on this shit since I observed most of weeb wars go down. Rekieta, Tug, Flash, all of them grew their audience from sjw hating weebs. As most folks know, that was bolstered by a well known voice actor getting smacked by MeToo accusations. All of these YouTubers suffered to a degree after the failed hearing and the weeb wars shit died down. SJW hating weebs are only interested in sjw hating content. Tug manages to sell his shit comic but we know what his YouTube is tailored too. Rekieta lost streamer views (Though lately he's obviously doing well) because weebs aren't interested in law talk, they only gave a shit about the Vic Mignogna case.
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Yeah but before they moved on to weeb wars, all of the above were building their audience from SJW-hating Comicsgaters. As you say, the SJW-hating reactionary nature is the one constant. What's interesting that Yellowflash clearly has a personal interest in comics and Comicsgate that runs against the audience he's built up over years. Either this can be interpreted as Flash committing himself to Ball being the artist for his comic (hence why he's doing the groundwork of building him up on his show right now) or he's doing this as a favor to a mutual friend of TUG's from their shared CG days. I suspect the fomer, but both possibilities are interesting.

Still, I think YF's fans would line up for a comic with his name on it, just not necessarily a comic by anyone else. Had Flash actually managed to sign Ody (instead of Ody running to Liam, which wound up fucking over everyone involved), I think he could have made 300 large easily. RagingGoldenEagle has managed to achieve that with a painfully amateur artist compared to Ody like Toxic Manbaby. Or Ball for that matter.
 
The Holmes said:
Just felt like elaborating more on this shit since I observed most of weeb wars go down. Rekieta, Tug, Flash, all of them grew their audience from sjw hating weebs. As most folks know, that was bolstered by a well known voice actor getting smacked by MeToo accusations. All of these YouTubers suffered to a degree after the failed hearing and the weeb wars shit died down. SJW hating weebs are only interested in sjw hating content. Tug manages to sell his shit comic but we know what his YouTube is tailored too. Rekieta lost streamer views (Though lately he's obviously doing well) because weebs aren't interested in law talk, they only gave a shit about the Vic Mignogna case.

Yellow Flash was able to continue on despite being a part of the wave of YouTubers who stood at Daddy Rekieta's tableside waiting for scraps so they could parrot shit everyone else already knew. Flash was still able to grow an audience and continue on - from my own assumption of the fact that he himself is a weeb and can relate to the fanbase watching. One thing I do know, aside from a few exceptions, is that most of these weebs gave 0 shits about Comicsgate outside of shitting on Renfamous. Flash should have taken this into consideration before he tried to make a comic.
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I was involved in WW from the very beginning. In retrospect, Flash's involvement was... tolerable... because he's at least an anime fan. It's not out of line to apply some good faith in this instance. The biggest issue with YF with regards to WW (or anything, really) is that he's a retarded drunk, and was just plain annoying to listen to. There's a funny thread called "Dumb shit Yellow Flash says" as a result of that.

TUG was worse. We had to endure TUG because YF apparently clued him in that there's money to be made off Vic's lawsuit. Also, when Renfamous involved herself, it caused CG to take notice. TUG didn't know what the fuck he was talking about with regards to Vic most of the time, and every time he went on Rekieta, there was more shilling of "The Littlest Umbrella" than there was actual Vic discussion. Looking back, it was pretty transparent what he was doing. I think he wanted people to believe 1 comic sale = 1 Renfamous face punch. Problem is, that does nothing to help Vic, and Renfamous's ability to fuck things up has been grossly overstated over the years. She's basically just a loud fatass on Twitter. Not to mention the fact that the weebs are the ones that normally turn their noses up at American comics. Real patricians read manga (I kid... but not really... but yes... maybe).

We had a couple of people like TUG. People nosing heir way in for personal gain, once they saw the numbers and money Rekieta was pulling in. Probably the two biggest fails were Perfection and JMK. JMK more so, because Rekieta wouldn't even give him the time of day (LOL).

The reason why TUG's thread is garbage (as @5t3n0g0ph3r will attest) is because it was written through the lense of Weebwars, and Weebwars had different priorities. At the time, dunking on Renfamous was considered a lot of fun, and I think Rekieta did everything possible to encourage it. With the benefit of hindsight, I would lay money on the idea that she didn't smash TUG's mailbox, and TUG is a lying faggot who invented that story that to get pity points and further his grift. Shout out to @Nontransferable, who was REALLY ahead of the curve on pointing out it's likely BS. He compared it to Laura Loomer's tire story. Other than that, you have to go REALLY deep into that thread before you find out what a con man TUG really is.

After Weebwars died out, he switched over to Amber Herd/Johnny Depp coverage, which proved to be even more cringe. I think he's tried to claim several times now that Amber Herd was/is out to "silence" him and that he's got contacts in the Depp legal team. Yeah... sure.

TL;DR, Buying his comic is totally the best way to beat those damn SJWs. Regardless of context. Plus, his wife is totally not a fat catfishing hildabeast, and if you send her your dick pics now, the SJWs will be eternally blow the fuck out. 🙄

Anyways, I'd like to see TUG's thread refreshed some day. A lot of people know more about TUG now than they did then. Many people then just knew he was an enemy of Renfamous.

jspit2.0 said:
Maybe. But that doesn't alter Beard being reported as unprepared.
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Ty made some boneheaded mistakes, but so did the Judge. This is why we have appeals courts. IMHO, it's kinda pointless to retread this until after we get a written decision. It'll either be the "official" postmortem, or a call to game on.

Either way, life will persist.
 
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